posted September 20, 2006 09:22 AM           

>>>It is NOT unusual at all!
And one cannot assume it was deliberate.
If the mother issue were so Fruedian, it would have had a more important direct link/ role in her men issues than it does. It did not, and so was not initially remembered.

I refer to this as memory staging.
We awaken and as we go to remember or write down a dream OFTEN the subtler or less important parts of the dream do not immediately surface.
The MAIN gist of the dream is remembered first.
Yes the other side or sub elements may be revelant but are usually far from the issue most clearly seen.
I see here a sense of feeling violated and used(by men) and trying to come to grips with her disappointment with men.
Her issues with her mother are natural distancing as one frees theirselves of the apron strings. And also shows that she feels her mother is indeed letting her be herself even if sometimes she may want her mother to become involved, she knows she is an adult and must deal with things on her own. Her mother is giving her space to grow, and yes, make her own choices.
We must not let our issues with our dysfuctional families and mentally disturbed mothers overflow into our interpretations of another's mother daughter relationship.

Lia has a relationship with her family that many would envy!
I know I do!

So sorry DFD, but I cannot agree here on your thinking she hid the mother in her dream.

Her main issue was her men troubles/relationships.
That was why she remembered it first.

In analyzing her dream herself, she discovered other side elements. But these elements she has already been dealing with rather well. So it was not necessary to remember them right off because they were not directly a part pf her main issues; "men relationships".
Hope I made sense.

posted September 20, 2006 01:14 PM         

I do agree with some of fayte's interpretive points, but I also agree with D's feeling that there may be something psychological behind the omission, whether or not it be a major or minor element. I think it was probably completely unconscious on Lialei's part, and certainly not malicious in any way. Can we work with that?

posted September 21, 2006 02:20 AM           

Also just remember that we are not always dreaming.

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posted September 21, 2006 04:28 AM         

What exactly do you mean?

posted September 21, 2006 02:14 PM         

We just have some minor personality conflict going on here, due to misunderstanding, that's all. Even so, there is a lot of good, insightful stuff, even beyond the dream topic, which has come from these discussions, from everyone. That's my focus.

Thanks for keeping your cool.

posted September 24, 2006 08:50 PM           

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Silverstone, your statement struck me in the most peculiar and profound way.
What exactly do you mean?

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Many folks think we are dreaming. I always have people come up to me and tell me, "I had this dream..." I always ask, "How do you know you were dreaming?" We are not always dreaming. Many times you are going to be there. It will happen. Many times we are astral traveling. Many times it will happen exactly the same, or with the same meaning, where one knows. It could be days, weeks, months, or years later. That's why I feel we should keep a journal. To a great extent, it goes back to what Linda wrote, keep in mind that in this instance, Lia remembered her dream very well, which I find very meaningful... we have to pay attention to that; it was so meaninful to her, that she remembered many of the details. Here's a reference from Linda:

When you fall asleep at night, leaving behind the so called world of "reality" for the world of dreams, have you noticed that--no matter how hard you try, as you are drifting off to slumberland, to hold on to the "reality" of the sounds of the television, traffic, or the dog snoring-- they fade away into oblivion.

Conversely, when you awake in the morning, leaving behind the so-called "dream world" for the world of reality, have you likewise noticed that-- no matter how hard you try, as you are waking up, to hold on to the sights and sounds of "dream" you just had-- they fade away into oblivion in exactly the same manner as the sights and sounds of "reality" fade when you're falling alseep?

Polarized points of view, interchangeable--indisputably. And so, which is the "dream," and which is the "reality"? Who is to say? How do you really know that this very waking moment is not the dream, and last night's dream the true reality? The ancients wise ones taught that "dreams are the true reality." Aristotle wrote: "life is an imitation of art...and art is an imitation of reality; therefore, life is but an imitation of reality." The reality of dreams. The Tibetan monks in bygone centuries, when they prayed, chanted repeatedly, "this is the world of illusion...this is the world of illusion."

Cheers,
Silverstone

"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes" --Carl Gustav Jung

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them" --Galileo

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posted September 24, 2006 10:48 PM           

Actually, I did have a revelation a little bit back about the dream. But, concerning the direction things turned here, I thought to wait a bit for the right time to write about it. And well,it's a very private thing as well. And I'm normally a fairly private person, so baring myself so openly in such ways at a forum, is always daunting for me.

It's one of those things, where I was surprised myself that the connections hadn't occurred to me earlier. But this is how revelations have occurred for me...in waves.

Life doesn't just stop. You have to carry on and put things on hold for the hectic daily grind. Rise, go to work, take care of everyone who needs caring for, etc, etc. Epiphanies or whatever they might be, come unawares in in the rare quiet, still moments.
There can be no other way at this time in my life.
It made me wonder on how people bury trauma to carry on with what they need to.

How can I just throw this out there....uh-hum (this is difficult)...
the last time I had sex (fully anyway) was with my husband...

and in all ways except for literal/physical, it was like a rape. Symbolically. What I mean is, that profoundly in that moment it felt like a rape to my spirit.

The timing of it is what made it so devastating to me. Because I was so hopeful, like a little girl. So full of hope. We were making up...or so I thought we might. But, it was more loveless, more rough than ever before, and I just cried quietly to myself, knowing in that moment, all hope was gone forever and I would be leaving. I felt like my innocence was entirely exploited...just an object with no soul or no feelings to him. I was crushed.

So, I'm certain there is lots of things that could be connected from that. Maybe I was calling for him to save me from him.
I don't know.

posted September 24, 2006 10:50 PM           

Excuse me if I hide away for a little bit. I'll probably be mortified with myself for what I've revealed here for a little while anyway.

posted September 25, 2006 02:56 AM           

I would love to discuss these subjects with you. My journey has given me many painful experiences, more than you can possibly imagine, but in the end I have found them very rewarding.

Ra, I agree with Lia, we can definately get a discussion going here.

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posted September 25, 2006 03:53 AM           

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Excuse me if I hide away for a little bit. I'll probably be mortified with myself for what I've revealed here for a little while anyway.

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Actually, you have proven to be honest about sharing.

Silverstone

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posted September 25, 2006 09:57 AM           

D for Defiant, I noticed that you deleted your posts here.
What I wrote to you above...

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D, I appreciate your guidance so much, and expressed my awe at your compassion in your thread in Universal Codes. It's something I would have never asked of you, considering what you are going through....and yet you offered on your own. I've been awed by that.

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...still remains, D.
No matter the circumstance or time,
I never forget a kindness.
It will always remain meaningful to me.

posted September 25, 2006 12:52 PM           

Wonderful sentiment.... ....fair and just...

DforD....

posted September 25, 2006 06:48 PM           

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posted September 28, 2006 03:24 AM           

"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes" Carl Gustav Jung~

Silverstone

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posted September 29, 2006 02:35 AM           

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