posted March 13, 2003 08:07 PM              

Please send them love and light!

posted March 14, 2003 12:33 PM              

These jokers went over to Iraq in an attenpt to trigger a "mass exodus" of the world to Iraq to prevent war.

Then... when they got there the Iraqi gov't told them where they could "shield"

Then they realized that their "mass exodus" wasn't going to happen & they are being used by the Iraqi gov't for propaganda AND to protect illegal weapons caches.

So the tucked tail & ran! LOL

posted March 14, 2003 02:01 PM            

I don't know exact details but I know that there are still human shields there and more applying for visas.

posted March 14, 2003 02:41 PM            

You just made me laugh so hard that I almost fell out of my chair. I am sure that people could here me laughing, even with my office door shut.You are too funny! The new human shields are called Iraqi's.

posted March 14, 2003 03:46 PM            

According to that article there are approximately 100 people from various countries in Iraq. ONLY 100 people. Now, I am not going to point out the various reasons people might be joining in, such as mental illness, suicide and some just because they need a cause, but we have to know that there are at least a few that are going there for reasons other than humanitarian. ( I guess I did just point it out).

Okay, another thing is this. The Iraqi government could CARE LESS about any outside of their country. I find it sickly humerous that the article would state, in a semi-compassionate manner, that "The Iraqi government is making it easier on getting a visa". NO DUH!!! Why not, they are laughing at the people that are willing to commit suicide in the name of protesting the war. IF it wasn't for the human shields, Saddamn would just take the kids out of school and chain them up to the power plants.

This is the same gov that last week set a woman on fire for selling kerosene. Hmmmm, yeah that's humanitarian.

What slays me is that the National Organization for Wombats has come out with their lamo take on the matter stating "Iraqi women have the luxury of enjoying more rights that some other women in other countries. Who are we to take that away?"

Yeah, so what that some women get to be human torches.

Maybe we should see if the human shields would opt to take the place of those women when they are being punished for oh....I don't know...EXISTING? Would one woman here take the place of a burka wearing women to prove that the Iraqi regime is kind?

posted March 14, 2003 04:40 PM              

Jakie

posted March 14, 2003 06:06 PM              

Now on a funny note, I think it was on 60 Minutes or something along those lines where they had a clip on teenagers skipping class to protest the war. One of the girls interviewed said that we had already bombed Iraq, she thought we were already at war.

posted March 14, 2003 06:35 PM            

I am not putting you down at all. I can understand where you are coming from. I do have to wonder how the shields are giving AID to the people? The people don't need them. They are not helping the people, they are helping the Iraqi government. They are protesting the war, not helping the people.

What is going to happen if there is a war and a bomb lands on the very power plant that they have chained themselves to? Do you think the Iraqi gov will care? How about those Iraqi people that want the war get rid of Saddam?

Regardless of what one wants to believe, there are wackos everywhere and some have nothing to do with their lives and feel that this can be just what they are looking for to validate them as people. It is human nature. You mean to tell me that out of those 100 people (yes only 100 people in a world of BILLIONS) that none of them are doing this for publicity? No one is doing it for selfish reasons?

Is it better to watch a woman set on fire for selling kerosene than to take out a brutal dictator that makes that practice routine?

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted March 14, 2003 06:39 PM              

Just saying "war is not the answer" is a very narrow-minded remark.

Pointing out a problem & offering no solution just p*sses me off!

posted March 15, 2003 12:09 AM            

Don't let this bring you down. It's a forum and sometimes people are extremely blunt. I have had my rear handed back to me a few times as well.

We all have different perspectives and those of us here in America are more sensitive to this whole issues because we were ATTACKED!

September 11th is always going to live within us. It killed more people that Pearl Harbor and it was an attack on INNOCENT citizens. Not an military base (with the exception of the Pentagon as a strategic planning institution).

At least for me, I do not want to see it happen again. I do not want to see a biological weapon spread throughout the world and kill millions because we let Saddam stay in power. Heck, there are many of us in the Biotech community that already feel that West Nile Virus is a test run. Only this week did the Network Media state that horses carry the virus.

Guess what? We knew that 2 years ago. The vet community has been vaccinating their horses for 2 years now. One of the biggest horse exporter / importers is the Mid East. Specifically, the Saudi's.

posted March 15, 2003 01:39 AM              

Pidaua, please know that the rest of world feels for all Americans and the events if september 11. It affected all of us. There were many Aussies there 2. We were all Attacked in Bali also, which affected me personally. Something has to be done. Yes i agree with that completely. I am not completely against an attack, id just prefer it didnt have to be that way, something does have to be done.
Alena, i understand your intention was to try to get a better perspective on the opinions of others. Your intentions are completely honourable. Thankyou for the hearts

Jax

posted March 15, 2003 04:18 PM              

I'm just trying to give legitimacy to people's arguments.

I don't think it's too much to ask that people back up what they've said.

posted March 15, 2003 07:43 PM            

I don't belive this war is about September 11th, there are no physical links to Sadam Hussein and Al Quaeda.
The practicalites of war mean that the people in this country will die from disease, malnutrition etc., the aftermath effects... This is not a country able to fight for themselves, the people in Iraq are living in fear already, so where is the sense in bringing more fear of tyranny to Iraq, it's not just Saddam bringing it this time, it's the other countries.
Sure Saddam and his army need to be brought down but not at the expense of the expected 100,000 civilians who will be injured in the violence of such a desperate force of attack.
I don't understand war at all, and maybe it's way too idealistic to think that no conflict needs violence in order for conflict to be resolved, but I think we gotta start taking different approaches to terrorism because one thing I've learned from living in Northern ireland is that resolution's gotta come from the people living with it.
For thousands of years wars in our world's history have broke out, people against people, killing millions.
and for what? we're still in the same positions as we were in the past only the scene's changed a bit and the actors look different.
The human shields idea might not have been the best idea but it's an act,a symbol, representing that all these people really have to defend themselves is their bodies, so that pretty much means they're defenceless.

here's a link ( or a search,my links don't seem to be working right)for anyone who wants to read it, Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Counting the dead