posted May 22, 2004 01:52 PM            

I've never claimed to be 'enlightened'. Just make my decisions based on how it's going to affect the next seven generations instead of only what's going to benifit my 'bottom line' in the immediate future.

posted May 22, 2004 02:02 PM              

So what if GWBush picks his nose and eats it? So what if Bill Clinton has a problem with his fly? The issue isn't about the players, it's about the issue. Your country was maliciously attacked by a group of people who live to see it crumble. The attack was glaring evidence that you have some dangerous, hateful, jealous and powerful enemies, and they will attack you again at the first opportunity. Maybe your town will be next. What would be an appropriate response to that, if not to actively root out the hornet's nests that breed these groups, supporting them in very real ways? How would you be able to sleep at night knowing that these groups our out there, plotting your demise with every waking moment, and probably even while they sleep?

Maybe you should lie down and play dead, and hope they'll go away?

Or, maybe they'll continue to attack, finding it easy because of the inherent freedoms afforded to everyone within your society, freedoms that, before 911 happened, niavely assumed that "everyone is good, and all foreign people are only in America because it's a wonderful land of opportunity". Sorry, but the proof is in the pudding. You have enemies among you. You have enemies that walk around in your cities and towns blending in like the regular folk, the ones that ARE happy to be there, the ones who are loving the land of opportunity. They look just like them. but their purpose for being there is much more sinister. Not only are they walking among you, they plotting from afar, being fuelled by powerful and resourceful entities. Who? Only commom sense can answer that. Commom sense tells us that Saddam's government is ONE of those entities. Evidence of the connection, although elusive, is there never the less. Stick your heads in the sand if you like, but that doesn't make the reality of the situation go away, sorry kids.

What would have been the RIGHT course of action in response to 911, if not the one taken by the current administration? That's what *I* would still like to know. Anyone?
It's a simple question, begging a simple general answer, not a hair splitting "yeah, well, he shouldn't have made THIS statement, he shouldn't have changed THAT policy." Those are hair splitting details.

WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT WAY TO RESPOND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE SECRET ENEMIES AMONG YOU AND ABROAD, PLOTTING YOUR DEMISE WITH SOME POWERFUL SUPPORTERS? (who happen to also be not so secret enemies, btw)

posted May 22, 2004 02:05 PM            

I guess this is the "new" trick that Republicans like to play now, for us to answer about some kind of bogus story to use us as examples towards telling the world that we've confussed to allegations of being the ones that of what we ain't.

posted May 22, 2004 02:47 PM              

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WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT WAY TO RESPOND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE SECRET ENEMIES AMONG YOU AND ABROAD, PLOTTING YOUR DEMISE WITH SOME POWERFUL SUPPORTERS?

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posted May 22, 2004 03:25 PM            

You don't see us telling your country what to do,now do you?

posted May 22, 2004 03:28 PM            

As though it's any of your business why I'm on this site, or anyone else for that matter, or whether you have the right to question how I spend my time and energy, here or anyplace else.

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To lioneye and to jwhop, individually.
Exactly what is your attraction to this website? I come here to discuss metaphysical issues -- such as those expressed in the writings of Linda Goodman -- with others who are interested in those topics. It would seem that many of the Knowflakes are here for a similar reason. But of you two I have yet to hear a single "Goodman-esque" or even generally metaphysical statement. I am not implying that you do not have as much right to be here as anyone. I am simply puzzled as to why you are here. I tried to do a search on both your usernames at this site to find out if you had made any comments along those lines, but unfortunately the search function is not working. So I will simply have to ask the question without further information. I am chiefly puzzled because the views you have expressed -- which as far as I have seen are only political -- do not seem to fit someone who would be interested in such things as astrology, numerology, lexigrams, holistic health & alternative medicine, physical immortality, reincarnation, Twin Selves, etc. etc.. So why are you here? From what little I know of you, it seems that you would be more at home on a political discussion board.

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I come here to discuss metaphysical issues -- such as those expressed in the writings of Linda Goodman -- with others who are interested in those topics.

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And God am I sick of POLITICS!!! BLAH!!! WHO NEEDS IT??? (sorry, had to get that out of my system)

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Politics is such a negative and dreary subject, and I have let it sap my positive energy far too much these past several days.

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However paras, I'm not going to ask why you're posting on the GU forum. That would imply I don't believe you.

One last thing paras. You've called into question the essence of my very being, three times.

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jwhop, have you any idealism in you at all?
I will not argue with you again, friend, but I would like to ask you a few questions, just to find out exactly where you stand on certain issues, as well as give you a few things to think about (if you will), because, yes, I would like to "bring you back from the Dark Side",
as I think of it.

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Please do not make the same mistake I did recently, and feed negative energies by opposing them. Simply ignore them, and they will have no choice but to dissipate. As Linda has quoted the Nazarene, "Resist ye not evil."

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posted May 22, 2004 03:33 PM              

You wouldn't say that to me if I was Anti-Bush, Ozone.

My stance on this issue is, I believe completely objective, and I have the luxury of seeing the issue from a non-emotional p.o.v.....just trying to be helpful, because many of you don't seem like you are THINKING the issue, but only FEELING it, and from a rather self-oriented perspective too. I don't mean you any disrespect, Ozone. I realize it's a delicate and emotional issue for you, and others.

posted May 22, 2004 03:36 PM            

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Because in reality,if we knock off the UN,then your country or anyother country(including in NATO)would no longer have any say over what this country says and does,in any way form or matter!

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posted May 22, 2004 03:42 PM            

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You wouldn't say that to me if I was Anti-Bush, Ozone

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posted May 22, 2004 03:57 PM            

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> "And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, 'Son of the
>Republic, look and learn.' At this, the dark,
> shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth and blew three distinct
>blasts; and taking water from the
> ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia, and Africa. Then my eyes
>beheld a fearful scene. From each of
> these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined
>into one. And throughout this mass, there
> gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who,
>moving with the cloud, marched by
> land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in
>the volume of cloud. And I dimly saw
> these vast armies devastate the whole country, and burn the
>villages, towns and cities that I beheld
> springing up.
>
> "As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of
>swords, and the shouts and cries of
> millions in mortal combat., I again heard the mysterious voice
>saying, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn.'
> When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his
>trumpet once more to his mouth, and
> blew a long and fearful blast.
>
> "Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me,
>and pierced and broke into fragments
> the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the
>angel upon whose head still shone the
> word 'Union,' and who bore our national flag in one hand and a
>sword in the other, descended from the
> heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately
>joined the inhabitants of America, who I
> perceived were well-nigh overcome, but who immediately taking
>courage again closed up their broken
> ranks and renewed the battle. Again, amid the fearful noise of the
>conflict, I heard the mysterious voice
> saying, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn.'
>
> "As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped
>water from the ocean and sprinkled it
> upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with
>the armies it had brought, leaving the
> inhabitants of the land victorious.

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posted May 22, 2004 05:05 PM            

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And if a tightening of the reigns in regard to your personal beloved freedoms prevents another 911 from occuring, it is a small price to pay. If your main bone of contention is the tightening of your personal freedoms and right to privacy, you are hopelessly self-absorbed and self-centered. ...wake up! It's not just about YOU anymore, it's about the safety and preservation of your homeland!

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I do not see giving up my constitutional rights as a "small price" by any means, lioneye. They are, afterall, what this country is founded on and to give them up would remove much of what makes this country great. Taking away our freedoms is exactly what these terrorists want, if you follow the line of reasoning from the often quoted theory that "they hate us for our freedoms". Why should we play right into their hands?

I really resent being called selfish and self absorbed for wanting to uphold the very prinicpals that make this country great for everyone. Not to mention being told to "wake up", as if I were asleep at the wheel. It serves no purpose to say such a thing except to rile people up and position yourself as superior to those with a differing viewpoint.

posted May 22, 2004 05:16 PM            

I mean really Lioneye,do you really think that fighting here or anywhere on the internet about the government is so bad,I can think of a million ways to protest.

...and if fighting for my fellow brothers and sisters is a waste of time,I couldn't think of a better way to waste it.

posted May 22, 2004 05:39 PM            

We're not here to change the world to our liking JW,we are just as much trying to direct it to a better way for all of us to share and too treasure.

If you ever notice JW,did you ever see that I(myself) has ever been against "war on terrorism",NO, I just don't like the way this coalition is fighting it. Freedom should be preserved,but if it's all going the wrong way,then what did we really fight for in the first place and for what reason?

posted May 22, 2004 05:54 PM              

What exactly have you been made to compromise, Harpyr? Ozone? How has it effected your lives, specifically? I'm curious.

And how does this compromise serve the efforts to isolate terrorists or those who aid them? Maybe you haven't considered that aspect at all yet, so take your time.

And how would another terrorist attack in your country effect people in general? Rhetorical question, the answer is obvious to most.

So, let me see if I'm understanding this correctly.

Your right to annonimity supercedes the government's responsibity to protect the nation from those who conspire against it...is that right?

Your being inconvenienced at the airport is more of an outrage than a hi-jacking that could have been prevented...is that right?

Yes, this mentality seems self absorbed to me.

posted May 22, 2004 06:21 PM            

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

posted May 22, 2004 09:17 PM            

Amendment 4

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.