posted May 26, 2004 08:18 PM              

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Liberal: Not limited to or by traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes or dogmas; free from bigotry. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. Tending to give freely; generous. Not strict or literal.

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I just wanted to say goodbye to you beautiful people. Your calm voice of caring and reason will be missed. No, you aren't the one leaving, I am!

In sharing some of the posts with the man who was blacklisted and blocked in his career by those who blindly saw commies under every rock in the 50s, and didn't care who they hurt--you know, sort of like Jwhop--he made me see what a thorough waste of time this site is.

You might remember, he's the beautiful person who was "there for us" when we needed a little help, while the conservatives were too busy casting stones about, hither and yon, much as they do now...

anyway his response was this:

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I don't have time to waste arguing with these shysters...The bums that listen to them are too emotional to listen to reason, anyway, so it would do no good.

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He made me see how no one is really interested in what you see with your vantage point, they are too busy proclaiming their own and spewing hatred toward anyone who does not follow their nauseating "follow the president right or wrong" chant.

When I joined this site, I seriously wanted to try to see things from other perspectives, to get a well-rounded and better idea about the total reality. But try as I might, I could find only a couple of relatively innocuous items of interest from any of them, and certainly could not share in the "levity" Rush Limbaugh brought to the torture and murder of innocent Iraqi men, who were in prison in fact because they had been arrested illegally, a practice which seems commonplace--enough so that 90% were estimated by the Red Cross to be guilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just another "oops"...like Brandon Mayfield, who conveniently took the heat off the prison abuse, eh?

The people here see the Republican elephant as whole and complete and, well, the fact that they are blind and might have actually benefitted from seeing things in a different light is beyond their comprehension. They are truly blind, and it is sad indeed. But, that is their choice to remain so.

These people don't care whether it is people like my friend whom they hurt, or innocent men or the land of Iraq and the next generation of hybrid mutants.

As long as they continue to center their entire world around the politics of money...financial policies, ever notice that it is always about money? They never have anything humanitarian to say, unless it is sponsored by money--like We can "bring democracy to the Iraqi people" but kill, rape and torture them indiscriminately, since they are Iraqis anyway. Nothing from the heart, always from the pocketbook. No compassion for anyone, which makes the idea of a compassionate conservative such a mockery. And I don't normally like to use "never" or "always" but it has been consistently consistent, I am afraid.

loving things and using people

I've concluded, upon reflection of an old star trek movie, that the more energy you feed into hate like this, the more it grows, so I am withdrawing and spending my time raising the feminine energies of the planet, and welcoming in the Age of Aquarius.

Harpyr, if you haven't read Margaret Starbird's books, you would love them! I do believe we will achieve global unity, but not the kind Bush wants to impose--where we all think in unison and goose-step to his drumbeat of horrors.

He represents the last bastion of the Piscean age, which will not want to yield readily. But yield it will, sooner or later, depending upon how long it takes to "get through" to them that bloodshed is not the way there.

Only when they have had their fill will they see what they have done...WW III is here, folks. Bush will escalate it to the point where the rest of the world will have no other choice but to attack us to stop the totalitarian one-world government he intends to install.

I hope the folks then will remember their cocky attitudes and maybe by then be ready to adopt the more compassionate approach that might have spared the world.

And Harpyr, you might want to follow suit. It does feed negative energy, and perhaps that is why this site has grown so spiteful?

But that is up to you. If your voice of reason cannot penetrate their darkness, they will just have to be brought kicking and screaming into the dawn of the new age.

Blessings to all of you wonderful "liberal" people! You have been a delight to share in the caring you bring with you. "bheart"

posted May 26, 2004 11:09 PM            

This forum certainly doesn`t need a Mother; simply the opinion stated minus the emotional tirades. A little bit `o courtesy might make your debate more palatable too. You know, the same as you would extend to your family and friends in a debate.

posted May 26, 2004 11:12 PM            

juniperb

posted May 26, 2004 11:15 PM            

juniperb

posted May 27, 2004 12:30 AM            

Now, tell me, is it that you just don't think of yourself as a liberal or that you don't hold to liberal ideas?

posted May 27, 2004 12:48 PM            

Paint chips ARE funny. Because 1) I know Ozone did not eat them and 2) That joke made me laugh when I watched Chris Farly in Tommy Boy.

There is a thing called a sense of humor. Even during some of these times I do laugh. Ozone makes me laugh.

Obviously, you are not smiling, but that is your choice...MOM But I still love ya!!!

posted May 27, 2004 12:53 PM            

I respect your decision to leave, obviously we are too coarse for you and unfortunately that does happen.

I do wish you would try to be a bit more clear when you are trying to use somone against us that has left the forum. Dodging around innuendo cloaked in secrecy is just lost on some of us who like to things up front and direct.

posted May 27, 2004 12:56 PM              

Isaiah 32:5-8
5. The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. 6. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail 7. The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. 8. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

The word Liberal by itself when looked up in dictionaries has mostly a desirable definition. But the scripture is clear that vile people are being referred to as liberal. God said there would come a time when the vile would no more be called liberal. This shows that right now vile people are being called liberal and God says he will stop this practice some time in the future. He also said the churl (rude and stingy) are being called bountiful.

There is another scripture in Isaiah 5:20 that addresses this. It says, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

posted May 27, 2004 12:58 PM              

"God himself gave the definition of a liberal when he said in an Old Testament prophecy, “The vile person shall be no more called liberal.” He was speaking of a time to come when vile people will no longer be allowed to hide behind the label of liberal--thinking themselves sophisticated and modern and open minded. But they will be shown for what they really are--vile.

Isaiah 32:5-8
5. The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. 6. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail 7. The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. 8. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.