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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 13, 2005 10:39 PM
Temper, temper  No one could possibly deny the whole intent of an editing function..open to anyone for subjects listed on Wikipedia is intended for only one purpose...deception I proved that by editing and saving my added comments...which I have now removed..along with the link...because I despise deception. By all means, do that search with jwhop and NewsMax. NewsMax makes no bones about leaning towards conservatism..none whatsoever. On the other hand, all the major media go to great lengths to conceal and deny they are an arm of the far leftist fringe of the democrat party. Ummm, with the exception of "fair and balanced" Fox News.  IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 13, 2005 10:50 PM
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Petron, if I were going to deliberately lie, it would be a lie you would never detect or be able to prove.--jwhop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001343-5.html quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Really, I've seen the pictures taken of Juanita's face..I believe..the day after the rape.--jwhop Hmmm, that's no lie Petron. I did see a photo represented to be that of Juanita Broaddrick..shortly after she was raped and it wasn't a pretty picture. Chemical castration is too good for Commander Corruption. The real thing should be mandatory.  IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2005 10:58 PM
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posted July 13, 2005 10:59 PM
notice anything absent in this story?***** Nurse backs up Clinton rape charge Attended Broaddrick's wounds after alleged assault in Arkansas Posted: June 26, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
In her first radio interview, the woman who nursed the wounds of Juanita Broaddrick shortly after an alleged sexual assault by Bill Clinton, says she remains convinced the ex-president is a rapist. "Every time I talk about this, it still makes me upset," said Norma Rogers Kelsey, in an interview with talk show host Bob Enyart of KGOV in Denver. Kelsey's interview, broadcast in two parts, last night and tonight, comes after Broaddrick repeated her charge on national television amid the release of Hillary Clinton's new book, which essentially ignored the accusation. Kelsey, 49, is now a wife and mother of six children, living in Tulsa, Okla. Juanita Broaddrick (courtesy: Fox News)
As WorldNetDaily reported, Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator in Van Buren, Ark., told Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes program last Wednesday Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1978 while he was attorney general of Arkansas. Known as "Jane Doe No. 5" in Kenneth Starr's impeachment report to Congress, Broaddrick had filed an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, at first denying Clinton had made any unwelcome sexual advances to her. But she later claimed to investigators for independent counsel Starr she was raped. Kelsey, who then worked for Broaddrick as a nurse, said they went together to the American College of Nursing Home Administrators convention at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock, Ark., in April 1978. Broaddrick had been invited to call Clinton's gubernatorial campaign office when she arrived in town to talk about volunteering, recalls Kelsey, who was 25 at the time. "We thought it was going to be an exciting thing to work on his campaign," Kelsey said. "He was a charismatic young man – a person we felt like was definitely going some place." Nothing other than a meeting Clinton told Broaddrick because of his stature, it would be difficult to meet in the coffee shop and suggested they talk in a room. "She had no reason to think that there would be anything else other than a meeting involved," Kelsey said. Kelsey went to the convention's scheduled event, while Broaddrick contacted Clinton. When Kelsey returned to the hotel lobby, she called Broaddrick's room to find out how the meeting went. "I just remember being on the phone with her … and she was very upset," Kelsey recalls. "She said come to the room, we have to go back to Van Buren." When Kelsey arrived in the room, she found Broaddrick's "lip was all swollen and very puffed out, and she was putting ice on it." "She appeared to me to almost be in a shocked state," Kelsey said. She believes Broaddrick's contention that the sexual contact was not consensual. "If it had been some planned escapade she would have told me," she said. "We were close enough friends that she would have told me." Kelsey recalls Broaddrick saying the meeting with Clinton began with small talk, and "she was a little surprised he was by himself." "She said he was showing her locations outside the window there in Little Rock, and then, all of a sudden, he just kind of grabbed her and started kissing her," remembers Kelsey. "He overtook her and pushed her to the bed, and from that point on it was just a rape." Kelsey says Broaddrick explained how her lip became swollen: "He bit her lip to try to keep her from struggling with him." Enyart asked if Broaddrick used the term "rape." "Yes, she was so upset that she had allowed that to happen," Kelsey said. "She was afraid that this … would ruin her business. That's why she made me promise not to tell anyone." Broaddrick said when Clinton made advances, she told him she couldn't do this. Though she was a married woman, she was in love with another man, David Broaddrick, who later became her husband. Enyart commented: "She might have thought that would cause him to back up, but that was like adding fuel to the fire. If she was willing to have an affair with a married man … ." "Right," Kelsey replied, "and I think that was a lot of the reason why she didn't want anything divulged. She was wrapped up in guilt thinking she might have deserved this." Kelsey said on the two-hour drive back to Van Buren, Broaddrick "was just beating herself up over the fact that she could have been so stupid." Over the next couple of days, Clinton tried to contact Broaddrick, she said. "She told me he had tried to reach her," Kelsey said, "but she did not want to speak to him." Cause for revenge? Kelsey did not share her story with any media until 1999 when Broaddrick gave her first televised interview, taped in February during the Senate impeachment trial by NBC's news program Dateline but broadcast in March. The New York Times said one of the reasons NBC delayed airing the Broaddrick interview was because a personal fact about Kelsey had given them pause. In 1980, the man who killed Kelsey's father was made eligible for parole by Clinton, who at the time was lame-duck governor of Arkansas. "People thought I was out to get Clinton," she said, noting a news report that questioned her motives. "Our family was very upset he did that, but I would never ever accuse or tell a story like that about some one for that reason," she said. "My father was gone anyway." Another encounter Kelsey said she happened to be with Broaddrick again at a nursing home meeting in Little Rock in 1990 when Clinton aides called her to come with them. When she returned to Kelsey, Broaddrick said: "You won't believe what just happened." "They took her out of meeting, down this hallway at the hotel in Little Rock, and there he was," Kelsey said, referring to Clinton. "He told her he apologized and asked if she could forgive him, and if there was any way he could to make it up to her for what had happened." Broaddrick told Clinton he could "go to hell." One year later, when Clinton announced he was running for president, Broaddrick said "now she knew why he apologized," according to Kelsey. Kelsey, who since had gone to work as a nurse at a steel mill in Arkansas, recalls Broaddrick calling her to let her know a colleague in the nursing home business, Phillip Yoakum, was pressing for the story to be publicized. "She said, Norma, please do not contact anyone. If anyone contacts you, please tell them you don't know anything." The New York Times called her at home, she said, "and I told them I had no comment." When lawyers for Paula Jones came to Broaddrick in an attempt to corroborate Clinton's style of behavior, Broaddrick denied she had made the charge. But Broaddrick's son, a lawyer, warned her against lying to a federal grand jury, and she decided to tell the story. Kelsey was then paid a visit by the FBI. "It was very scary," she said. "I had the FBI come to my home here in Oklahoma and sit me down and make me corroborate stories they had been hearing." When the FBI came, you told them the truth? Enyart asked. "Absolutely," Kelsey said. Enyart read through a list of other incidents in which women claimed Clinton forced himself on them sexually. "It's appalling," Kelsey said, "when you read he's going to get a big talk show on TV, and it just makes me sick." After Broaddrick made her charge public, Enyart organized nearly 150 protests, following Clinton wherever he appeared around the country, and even internationally, with signs declaring, "I believe Juanita." The talk show host and pastor of Denver Bible Church says he plans to hold a week of protest-related events in Little Rock when the Clinton library opens to ensure the media will not ignore Broaddrick's accusation. Kelsey said she agreed with Enyart that the media has given Clinton a pass. "It's a sad story," she said, "and it's very sad when you are part of it and you feel like there is not anything you can say or do to change things." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33270
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posted July 13, 2005 11:05 PM
thanks for stirring up the pot AG, everytime jwhop types something in by himself it seems to turn out false....now he's even trying to use the excuse that he gets his info from some unidentified right wing liars website...lol quote: BTW, about that picture of Juanita; it's been a while but I think it was posted on an anti-Clinton site.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 13, 2005 11:06 PM
I don't give a flip if you believe me or not Petron.  quote: notice anything absent in this story?
Now Petron, why don't you point out to us mere mortals what's absent in this story? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 13, 2005 11:11 PM
Careful Petron, you won't make a decent living calling me a liar. We've been through this before. If anyone's lying it's the thoroughly discredited leftists...your crowd Petron.IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2005 11:13 PM
Go ahead, petron, point it out slooooowly and we'll see if Jwhop can follow your logic.As for Saturn and Juni and me, we're just girls who have a hard time thinking and speaking logically. So we'll just sit here on the sidelines while you big strong handsome men play dueling d*cks ... I mean links. Now sit still ladies .... and for God's sake try to look pretty. IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2005 11:21 PM
Tink, you speak more logically and eloquently than almost any1 i know......(and not to mention a level of satire i could never attain, sometimes you literally have me rolling on the floor laughing )unlike jwhop who is now feigning ignorance again..... IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2005 11:39 PM
I just think all this crap is dumb, and a waist of time. Thats why I encourage peaepl to not be either left or rite, and to stop supporting your major partys and the medias that feed into their rediclous circus side shows. I wonder what jwhop could of done with his life if he had a better hoby then living in other peaples pollitics all these years. IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 12:07 AM
awwww Sir Petron, you're just saying that because I said you were my favorite. Jwhop's so cute when he feigns innocence, don't you think? He's just a big cuddly lion really.Magus, you sound a bit bitter lately. Stop reading that silly alien stuff. We need you to be grounded and positive when the revolution starts. IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 12:57 AM
heheh ....no ma'am, i mean it, i always noticed your replies while reading thru jwhops old threads too(hehe) its good to know that you still have a sense of humor....... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 14, 2005 01:31 AM
quote: Now sit still ladies .... and for God's sake try to look pretty.
God gets all the chicks!  IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 14, 2005 02:21 AM
Yea Gods, how condescending Acoustic. Have you not one shred of perspective Acoustic?IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 03:37 AM
But I like the silly alien stuff TINK ! Seems to make alot more sense then the crap in my morning newspaper atleast . Besides, there will be no revolution of any sort here as long as everyone is geting caught up in the great drama of Dem's vs' Rep's. IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 03:53 AM
quote: Yea Gods, how condescending Acoustic. Have you not one shred of perspective Acoustic?
I honestly don't know what you mean. What perspective? I was just making a joke. I was going to work my moniker into it, but decided not to and just let God God get the benefit of the joke. IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 09:54 AM
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posted July 14, 2005 11:05 AM
quote: Seems to make alot more sense then the crap in my morning newspaper atleast.
Well I certainly agree with you on that, Magus. Hence the revolution. In the meantime, we've got to keep our wits. (hint ... the alien stories are also a diversion tactic) That's much better Saturn. Very nicely done. Isn't that better, Jwhop? Don't you like that? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 14, 2005 02:04 PM
Hmmm, sounds like SC is into giving mixed signals to me  IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 07:14 PM
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 14, 2005 07:55 PM
ON CAPITOL HILL Drafter of intel statute: Rove accusers ignorant Lawyer who wrote law to protect agents says Plame charge doesn't meet standard July 14, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Art Moore WorldNetDaily.com Democrat leaders and editorialists accusing Karl Rove of treason for referring to CIA agent Valerie Plame in an off-the-record interview are ignorant of the law, according to the Washington attorney who spearheaded the legislation at the center of the controversy. Plame's circumstances don't meet several of the criteria spelled out in a 1982 statute designed not only to protect the identity of intelligence agents but to maintain the media's ability to hold government accountable, Victoria Toensing told WorldNetDaily. Toensing – who drafted the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence – says the Beltway frenzy surrounding Plame's alleged "outing" as a covert agent is a story arising out of the capital's "silly season." "The hurricane season started early and so did the August silly stories," Toensing said. "What is it that qualifies as a story here?" Democrat leaders are accusing Rove of exposing Plame's identity as an act of retribution against her husband Joe Wilson, who returned from a CIA assignment to Niger with a report disputing the administration's suspicion that Iraq wanted to acquire uranium from the African nation. Toensing, now a private attorney in Washington, says Plame most likely was not a covert agent when Rove referred to her in a 2003 interview with Time magazine's Matt Cooper. The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United States within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a covert agent nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof. Kristof said the CIA brought Plame back to Washington in 1994 because the agency suspected her undercover security had been compromised by turncoat spy Aldrich Ames. Moreover, asserts Toensing, for the law to be violated, Rove would have had to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowledge that he was disclosing a covert agent. Toensing believes Rove's waiver allowing reporters testifying before the grand jury to reveal him as a source – signed more than 18 months ago – shows the Bush strategist did not believe he was violating the law. Rove, according to Cooper's notes, apparently was trying to warn the reporter not to give credence to Wilson's investigation, because he had no expertise in nuclear weapons and was sent to Africa on the recommendation of his wife. Wilson had claimed he was sent by Vice President Cheney. Another element necessary for applying the law is that the government had to be taking affirmative measures to conceal the agent's identity. Toensing says that on the contrary, the CIA gave Plame a desk job in which she publicly went to and from work, allowed her spouse to do a mission in Africa without signing a confidentiality agreement and didn't object to his writing an op-ed piece in the New York Times about his trip. Columnist Robert Novak, who first published Plame's name, also apparently didn't think it was a big deal, Toensing said, or he would have put it in the first paragraph. Novak's aim was to expose the incompetence of the CIA, she argued. "These are the kinds of stories we wanted to still be put out there when we passed the law," she said. "We only wanted to stop the methodical exposing of CIA personnel for the purpose of assassination." http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45266 IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 08:22 PM
Thursday, July 14, 2005 Joe Wilson's Top Ten Worst Inaccuracies And Misstatements 1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice President’s Office Sent Him To Niger:
Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President’s Office. “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. … The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.” (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, “What I Didn’t Find In Africa,” The New York Times, 7/6/03) Joe Wilson: “[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby’s Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ...” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 8/3/03) Vice President Cheney: “I Don’t Know Joe Wilson. I’ve Never Met Joe Wilson. … And Joe Wilson - I Don’t [Know] Who Sent Joe Wilson. He Never Submitted A Report That I Ever Saw When He Came Back.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/14/03) CIA Director George Tenet: “In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative, Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03) 2.) Wilson Claimed The Vice President And Other Senior White House Officials Were Briefed On His Niger Report: “[Wilson] Believed That [His Report] Would Have Been Distributed To The White House And That The Vice President Received A Direct Response To His Question About The Possible Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Reported That The Vice President Was Not Briefed On Wilson’s Report. “Conclusion 14. The Central Intelligence Agency should have told the Vice President and other senior policymakers that it had sent someone to Niger to look into the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal and it should have briefed the Vice President on the former ambassador’s findings.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) CIA Director George Tenet: “Because This Report, In Our View, Did Not Resolve Whether Iraq Was Or Was Not Seeking Uranium From Abroad, It Was Given A Normal And Wide Distribution, But We Did Not Brief It To The President, Vice-President Or Other Senior Administration Officials.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03) 3.) Wilson Has Claimed His Niger Report Was Conclusive And Significant Wilson Claims His Trip Proved There Was Nothing To The Uranium “Allegations.” “I knew that [Dr. Rice] had fundamentally misstated the facts. In fact, she had lied about it. I had gone out and I had undertaken this study. I had come back and said that this was not feasible. … This government knew that there was nothing to these allegations.” (NBC’s, “Meet The Press,” 5/2/04) Officials Said Evidence In Wilson’s Niger Report Was “Thin” And His “Homework Was Shoddy.” (Michael Duffy, “Leaking With A Vengeance,” Time, 10/13/03) Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador’s Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts’ Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) “For Most Analysts, The Information In The Report Lent More Credibility To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Report On The Uranium Deal, But State Department Bureau Of Intelligence And Research (INR) Analysts Believed That The Report Supported Their Assessments That Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) CIA Said Wilson’s Findings Did Not Resolve The Issue. “Because [Wilson’s] report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerien officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release 7/11/03) The Butler Report Claimed That The President’s State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, “Was Well-Founded.” “We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.’ was well-founded.” (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, “Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction,” 7/14/04) 4.) Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger In 2002: Wilson Claimed His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. … Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?” Joe Wilson: “No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04) But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilson’s Wife Proposed Him For Trip. “Some CPD, [CIA Counterproliferation Division] officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador’s wife ‘offered up his name’ and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador’s wife says, ‘my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.’” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04) 5.) Wilson Has Claimed His 1999 Trip To Niger Was Not Suggested By His Wife: Wilson Claims CIA Thought To Ask Him To Make Trip Because He Had Previously Made Trip For Them In 1999, Not Because Of His Wife’s Suggestion. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “Who first raised your name, then, based on what you know? Who came up with the idea to send you there?” Joe Wilson: “The CIA knew my name from a trip, and it’s in the report, that I had taken in 1999 related to uranium activities but not related to Iraq. I had served for 23 years in government including as Bill Clinton’s Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. I had done a lot of work with the Niger government during a period punctuated by a military coup and a subsequent assassination of a president. So I knew all the people there.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04) In Fact, His Wife Suggested Him For 1999 Trip, As Well. “The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA’s behalf … The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region …” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04) 6.) Wilson Claimed He Was A Victim Of A Partisan Smear Campaign Joe Wilson: “Well, I Don’t Know. Obviously, There’s Been This Orchestrated Campaign, This Smear Campaign. I Happen To Think That It’s Because The RNC, The Republican National Committee’s Been Involved In This In A Big Way …” CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “But They Weren’t Involved In The Senate Intelligence Committee Report.” Wilson: “No, They Weren’t.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04) Senate Intelligence Committee Unanimously Concluded That Wilson’s Report “Lent More Credibility” For Most Analysts “To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Reports.” “Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador’s trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04) Members Of The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence That Wrote The Unanimous “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq”: Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL) Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH) Sen. Christopher Bond (R-MO) Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Sen. John Warner (R-VA) (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04) 7.) A Month Before The Bob Novak And Matthew Cooper Articles Ever Came Out, Wilson Told The Washington Post That Previous Intelligence Reports About Niger Were Based On Forged Documents: In June Of 2003, Wilson Told The Washington Post “The Niger Intelligence Was Based On Documents That Had Clearly Been Forged Because ‘The Dates Were Wrong And The Names Were Wrong.’” (Susan Schmidt, “Plame’s Input Is Cited On Niger Mission,” The Washington Post, 7/10/04) However, “The [Senate Select Committee On Intelligence] Report … Said Wilson Provided Misleading Information To The Washington Post Last June [12th, 2003].” (Susan Schmidt, “Plame’s Input Is Cited On Niger Mission,” The Washington Post, 7/10/04) Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “The Former Ambassador Said That He May Have ‘Misspoken’ To The Reporter When He Said He Concluded The Documents Were ‘Forged.’” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) 8.) Wilson Claimed His Book Would Enrich Debate: NBC’s Katie Couric: “What Do You Hope The Whole Point Of This Book Will Be? Joe Wilson: “Well, I - I Hope, One, It Will Tell - It Tries To Tell An Interesting Story. Two, I Hope That It Enriches The Debate In A Year In Which We Are All Called Upon As Americans To Elect Our Leaders. And Three, … That [It] Says That This Is A Great Democracy That Is Worthy Of Our Taking Our Responsibilities As Stewards Seriously.” (NBC’s “Today Show,” 5/3/04) Wilson Admits In His Book That He Had Been Involved In “A Little Literary Flair” When Talking To Reporters. “[Wilson] wrote in his book, he told Committee staff that his assertion may have involved ‘a little literary flair.’” (Matthew Continetti, “‘A Little Literary Flair’” The Weekly Standard, 7/26/04) Wilson’s Book The Politics Of Truth: Inside The Lies That Put The White House On Trial And Betrayed My Wife’s CIA Identity Has Been Panned In Numerous Reviews For Its Inaccuracies: “On Page One Of Chapter One, He Quotes NBC Talk Show Host Chris Matthews, Who Told Him That, After Mr. Wilson Chose To Go Public: ‘Wilson’s Wife Is Fair Game.’ Later, He Bases His List Of Suspect Leakers On Conversations With Members Of The News Media And A ‘Source Close To The House Judiciary Committee.’” (Eli Lake, Op-Ed, “Don’t Quit Your Day Job, Mr. Wilson,” New York Post, 5/4/04) “For Example, When Asked How He ‘Knew’ That The Intelligence Community Had Rejected The Possibility Of A Niger-Iraq Uranium Deal, As He Wrote In His Book, He Told [Senate Intelligence] Committee Staff That His Assertion May Have Involved ‘A Little Literary Flair.’” (Matthew Continetti, “‘A Little Literary Flair,’” The Weekly Standard, 7/26/04) The Boston Globe: “In Essence, Much Of Wilson’s Book Is An Attempt To Portray The Bush Administration As A Ministry Of Fear Whose Mission In Pursuing War In Iraq Required It To Proclaim A Lie As Truth.” (Michael D. Langan, Op-Ed, “‘Truth’ Makes Much Of Bush Controversy,” The Boston Globe, 5/4/04) Newsweek’s Evan Thomas Wrote In The Washington Post: “[W]ilson’s Claims And Conclusions Are Either Long Hashed Over Or Based On What The Intelligence Business Describes As ‘Rumint,’ Or Rumor Intelligence.” (Evan Thomas, Op-Ed, “Indecent Exposure,” The Washington Post, 5/16/04) 9.) Wilson Claimed The CIA Provided Him With Information Related To The Iraq-Niger Uranium Transaction: “The Former Ambassador Noted That His CIA Contacts Told Him There Were Documents Pertaining To The Alleged Iraq-Niger Uranium Transaction And That The Source Of The Information Was The [Redacted] Intelligence Service.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) However, “The DO [Director Of Operations At The CIA] Reports Officer Told Committee Staff That He Did Not Provide The Former Ambassador With Any Information About The Source Or Details …” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04) 10.) Wilson Claimed He Is A Non-Partisan “Centrist”: Recently, Joe Wilson Refused To Admit He Is A Registered Democrat. NBC’s Jamie Gangel: “You are a Democrat?” Joe Wilson: “I exercise my rights as a citizen of this country to participate in the selection of my leaders and I am proud to do so. I did so in the election in 2000 by contributing not just to Al Gore's campaign, but also to the Bush-Cheney campaign.” (NBC’s “Today Show,” 7/14/05) “[Wilson] Insist[s] He Remained A Centrist At Heart.” (Scott Shane, “Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case,” The New York Times, 7/5/05) Joe Wilson Is A Registered Democrat. (District Of Columbia Voter Registrations, Accessed 7/14/05) Joseph Wilson Has Donated Over $8,000 To Democrats Including $2,000 To John Kerry For President In 2003, $1,000 To Hillary Clinton’s (D-NY) HILLPAC In 2002 And $3,000 To Al Gore In 1999. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 7/12/05) Wilson Endorsed John Kerry For President In October 2003 And Advised The Kerry Campaign. (David Tirrell-Wysocki, “Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,” The Associated Press, 10/23/03) “[Wilson] Admits ‘It Will Be A Cold Day In Hell Before I Vote For A Republican, Even For Dog Catcher.’” (Scott Shane, “Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case,” The New York Times, 7/5/05) http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=5630 IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 08:50 PM
Ann CoulterMISSION IMPLAUSIBLE July 13, 2005 Karl Rove was right. The real story about Joseph C. Wilson IV was not that Bush lied about Saddam seeking uranium in Africa; the story was Clown Wilson and his paper-pusher wife, Valerie Plame. By foisting their fantasies of themselves on the country, these two have instigated a massive criminal investigation, the result of which is: The only person who has demonstrably lied and possibly broken the law is Joseph Wilson. So the obvious solution is to fire Karl Rove. Clown Wilson thrust himself on the nation in July 2003 when he wrote an op-ed for The New York Times claiming Bush had lied in his State of the Union address. He said Bush was referring to Wilson's own "report" when Bush said: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." But that is not what Wilson says he found! Thus, his column had the laughably hubristic title, "What I Didn't Find in Africa." (Once I couldn't find my car for hours after a Dead show. I call the experience: "What I Didn't Find in San Francisco.") Driven by that weird obsession liberals have of pretending they are Republicans in order to attack Republicans, Wilson implied he had been sent to Niger by Vice President Dick Cheney. Among copious other references to Cheney in the op-ed, Wilson said that CIA "officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story" that Saddam Hussein had attempted to buy uranium from Niger, "so they could provide a response to the vice president's office." Soon Clown Wilson was going around claiming: "The office of the vice president, I am absolutely convinced, received a very specific response to the question it asked, and that response was based upon my trip out there." Dick Cheney responded by saying: "I don't know Joe Wilson. I've never met Joe Wilson. I don't know who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back." Clown Wilson's allegation that Cheney had received his (unwritten) "report" was widely repeated as fact by, among others, The New York Times. In a huffy editorial, the Times suggested there had been a "willful effort" by the Bush administration to slander the great and honorable statesman Saddam Hussein. As evidence, the Times cited Bush's claims about Saddam seeking uranium from Niger, which, the Times said, had been "pretty well discredited" — which, according to my copy of The New York Times Stylebook means "unequivocally corroborated" — "by Joseph Wilson 4th, a former American diplomat, after he was dispatched to Niger by the CIA to look into the issue." So liberals were allowed to puff up Wilson's "report" by claiming Wilson was sent "by the CIA." But — in the traditional liberal definition of "criminal" — Republicans were not allowed to respond by pointing out Wilson was sent to Niger by his wife, not by the CIA and certainly not by Dick Cheney. So important was Wilson's fact-finding mission to Niger that he wasn't paid and he produced no written report. It actually buttressed the case that Saddam had tried to buy uranium from Niger, though Wilson was too stupid to realize it. His conclusion is contradicted by the extensive findings of the British government. (I'm not sure, but I think that's what Bush may have been referring to when he said, "the British government.") One could write a book about what Joe Wilson doesn't know about Africa. In fact, I'm pretty sure someone did: Joe Wilson. About a year later, a bipartisan Senate committee heard testimony from a CIA official that it was Wilson's wife who had "offered up" Wilson for the Niger trip. The committee also discovered a Feb. 12, 2002, memo from Wilson's wife gushing that her husband "has good relations with both the PM (prime minister) and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." Wilson's response to the production of his wife's memo was: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me." Wilson's report was a hoax. His government bureaucrat wife wanted to get him out of the house, so she sent him on a taxpayer-funded government boondoggle. That was the information Karl Rove was trying to convey to the media by telling them, as described in the notes of Time reporter Matt Cooper: "big warning"! Don't "get too far out on Wilson." Democrats believe that because Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, the White House should not have been allowed to mention that it was she who sent him to Niger. But meanwhile, Clown Wilson was free to puff up his apocryphal credentials by implying he had been sent to Niger on an important mission for the vice president by the CIA. Despite the colloquialism being used on TV to describe the relevant criminal offense, the law does not criminalize "revealing the name" of a covert operative. If it did, every introduction of an operative at a cocktail party or a neighborhood picnic would constitute a felony. "Revealing the name of" is shorthand to describe what the law does criminalize: Intentionally revealing a covert operative as a covert operative, knowing it will blow the operative's cover. Rove had simply said Wilson went to Niger because of his wife, not his skill, expertise or common sense. It was the clown himself who outed his wife as an alleged "covert" agent by saying he was not recommended by his wife, and thus the White House must have been retaliating against him by mentioning his wife. Wilson intentionally blew his wife's "cover" in order to lie about how he ended up going to Niger. Far from a serious fact-finding mission, it was a "Take Your Daughters to Work Day" gone bad. Maybe liberals shouldn't have been so insistent about that special prosecutor. http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2005 09:35 PM
quote: for the law to be violated, Rove would have had to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowledge that he was disclosing a covert agent.
whooo hoooo!!! karl rove gets away on a claim of ignorance !! (where have i heard that before?) they keep calling it the "The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal", but there never actually was any "deal"
quote: Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium
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posted July 14, 2005 09:36 PM
We'll have to wait and see, huh?Incidentally, I don't think it serves anyone's interests to use Ann Coulter as a source. I mean, can you get more infantile than name-calling: "Clown" Wilson? IP: Logged | |