posted June 24, 2005 07:25 PM            

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You've already wasted enough with your lying, illogical, irrational and unreasonable attacks on the United States.

Perhaps you should find a logical, reasonable website from which to get your opinion in the future.

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This from who? Yeah, it's clear I'm the one getting my opinions from illogical, unreasonable websites. Thanks goodness I have Mr. NewsMax to come save my sorry @ss, huh? Geeze Louise that's the biggest Crock o' Shite I've heard in a long time.

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You may also be one of those people that has a complete dissolution of boundries where you invade a person's comfort zone and allow strangers to invade yours.

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Yeah, that's a bizarre opinion to garner from what I said. I do have a sense of humor, yes. I understand that people have varying comfort levels with various things, that's true as well. This doesn't say anything about, "a complete dissolution of boundaries." That's too much.

However, I will point out that people quite regularly push boundaries with other people. I was going to bring up in the last post that celebrities are often victims of such inappropriate seeming gestures. Here's a picture of singer Morrissey with a fan.

Obviously, Morrissey, on the right, isn't particularly fond of this guy, but nevertheless, he allows the guy to put his arm around him while his own hands remain behind his back. The body language is clear, but yet Morrissey still allows the dude to get his picture and invade his bubble.

This is what I'm talking about. People put forth their own values in their gestures with other people. People receiving the gestures often just go along with the other person. It doesn't mean they lack boundaries. It means that the personal connection is more important than the significance of the gesture. Or it can also mean that it's not worth getting upset or in a fight over, so they let it be.

Let's do this. Pretend for a moment that you're out in the woods or someplace secluded and you find someone who got shot and is near death. If you cupped this man, woman, or child's face as you tried to comfort them would you think yourself completely inappropriate? Does it say anything about your boundaries, or the other person's?

posted June 24, 2005 07:46 PM            

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This from who? Yeah, it's clear I'm the one getting my opinions from illogical, unreasonable websites. Thanks goodness I have Mr. NewsMax to come save my sorry @ss, huh? Geeze Louise that's the biggest Crock o' Shite I've heard in a long time.

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Sorry Acoustic, not even NewsMax could save...as you say...your sorry @ss. I'm afraid you'll always be one of those stuck in a warped collectivist fog railing against your own country while defending America's enemies and even glorifying them.

Shades of the of the bubble brained moron Michael Moore..."“The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen................"

Do you think the terrorists are the Minutemen of Iraq Acoustic? Those brave stalwart warriors who blow up Iraqi women and children? Those who you referred to as ballsy...to kill people they don't even know?

posted June 25, 2005 03:42 PM            

Do you honestly think these are not the very same arguments the socialists/communists have been making...and making long before you showed up here to give them and other enemies of America moral support?

Do you honestly think any reasonable person looking at your numerous comments...these included, would not come to the immediate conclusion you are a far left radical?

Do you honestly think any reasonable person wouldn't split their sides laughing at your comment that you are middle of the road...and that right after they recovered they wouldn't ask you "middle of what road"? The road to Cuba? The road to North Korea? The road to Communist Vietnam? Or, the road to Communist China?

Do you honestly think John McCain wouldn't personally throw you out of the group of his supporters if he heard you utter even one of your comments posted below?

I've alleged you are a far left radical. Sometimes it takes only a comment or 2 in order to get the right impression of where someone is coming from politically. In your case, the comments are numerous...those posted below are only a representative sample of what you've said.

What someone doesn't say is also an indicator of where they're coming from. So, I note the total absence from your comments of any reference to Saddam Hussein actually being a brutal and murderous dictator who repressed his own citizens. Any comment as to the murderous intent of the terrorists...inside or outside of Iraq or Afghanistan, terrorists who themselves are murdering Iraqi and Afghanistan citizens. And/or any comment which would signify your agreement with the general policy of a war on terrorism.

Your views on Iraq, Afghanistan and the overall war on terrorism worldwide find a lot of support Acoustic. The problem is, that support is all on the radical fringe of leftist thinking.

Not at all in accord with middle of the road Americana. The most accurate picture of middle of the road Americana comes from the elections of late last year. Bush who is prosecuting the war on terrorism, Bush who prosecuted the war which set Afghanistan free of the Taliban and al-Queda terrorists, Bush who prosecuted the war against Saddam Hussein and set Iraqi citizens free and Bush who is still prosecuting the war against terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan won that election. All other Bullsh*t arguments to the contrary you wish to marshall notwithstanding.

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I'm afraid you'll always be one of those stuck in a warped collectivist fog railing against your own country while defending America's enemies and even glorifying them......jwhop

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I love how you put words in my mouth. It's all good. Everyone's familiar with you by now......Acoustic

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Wanting us to remove ourselves from the holy land in Saudi Arabia is one thing, but fighting for the health of an entire arab state is a far more noble purpose....Acoustic

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and returning Iraqi infrastructure, so that the people whom America repressed....Acoustic

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Also, I disagree with the notion that a war torn nation with ongoing terrorism is, "free.....Acoustic"

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I wouldn't call it the act of cowards, though. You've got to be pretty freaking ballsy to kill people who have nothing to do with you.....Acoustic

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Seems to me Acoustic, these are your words, not mine.

posted June 25, 2005 05:40 PM            

You will never win any arguments arguing against the truth or for lies; you only make yourself look like a fool. Your nonsense may play well in the little commune you inhabit, where all your friends are fellow radical leftists. But in the real world, truth matters.

So, why don't we just cut to the chase here? When are you getting your...as you put it...sorry @ss out of the country you hate...America? It's never going to be Amerika which is the only version of America you could love.

posted June 25, 2005 08:04 PM            

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BTW, are you such a weak personality you have to invite people to agree with you? Does it matter to you whether people agree with you or not. If you stood on principle, it wouldn't. Do you really need the cast of 10,000 to support your loony positions?

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You know, I was just about to comment on that anyway, so thanks for bringing it up.

The truth is you regularly post nonsense, and people regularly call you on it. If I get on here, and one single person is trying to slander me, and that one single person is regularly having his facts set straight by people who aren't afraid to prove their points using unbiased materials to do so, why should I be concerned in the slightest?

If you don't think I'm middle of the road, it's likely because you haven't seen it in ages. If you did, you'd see me waving there. I can't even seem to reach you with a bullhorn.

If anyone should leave the country I've defended, it's you. You seek only to divide. You post in hopes of argument, so that you may have the opportunity to spread the gospel of Carl Rove. Hell, if you served I'd say you're probably a Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Slander and deceit are your calling cards.

The messed up part about it is that somehow you believe you're doing a public service. I haven't seen a single instance where you've sought to harmonize with a person with an opposing view. You stand on principle like the dictators you claim to hate. It's your way, or no way. Instead of inviting people in, you push them away. That's a crazy notion of a principled stance if I ever saw one.

If you want to see a principled leader, look to the great humanitarians throughout history. They brought people together for a just cause. They didn't spout nonsense and look for debate.

My principle is this: As long as Jwhop keeps coming up with these ridiculous doozies, and posting them as true, I will help to point out where he is false and continue to expose his hate filled personality.

posted June 26, 2005 11:59 AM              

BTW~ I keep meaning to ask you... Are you named after the drilling company, or the tequila?

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and that one single person is regularly having his facts set straight by people who aren't afraid to prove their points using unbiased materials to do so, why should I be concerned in the slightest?

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Now, you've trotted out Joy Gordon to prove your lying accusation that
America repressed Iraqi citizens. So, who is Joy Gordon? Is Gordon an expert in water treatment, an expert in electric power generation, an expert in food distribution, an expert in medicine, an expert in road construction, an expert in any field related to infrastructure, or an expert in anything at all?

Answer to those questions Acoustic is that Joy Gordon is not an expert anything. Joy Gordon is a hard left radical professor of philosophy at Fairfield. One must wonder how this non-expert in any discipline related to Iraqi infrastructure gained access to "confidential" UN documents relating to the Oil for Food Program...or if she really did. Everyone has a philosophy Acoustic. Being a professor of philosophy qualifies one for nothing whatsoever...except when America haters like you want to trot them out as an expert to support your lying positions.

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If you don't think I'm middle of the road, it's likely because you haven't seen it in ages. If you did, you'd see me waving there. I can't even seem to reach you with a bullhorn.

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If anyone should leave the country I've defended, it's you

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The messed up part about it is that somehow you believe you're doing a public service. I haven't seen a single instance where you've sought to harmonize with a person with an opposing view

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That's a worthy principle. If you were merely a conservative who enjoyed debate I wouldn't need to stay. As long as you continue attacking people with different and valid opinions it's on. So beat away on me, Jwhop. Show everyone your "principles."

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To the extent you wish to turn this into some kind of a contest, a competition in which you rush around the Internet to copy and paste the lies of leftist liars to post here, I say, up yours. I know you aren't capable of generating your own thoughts to speak but, it would be refreshing if you would try. It would also be refreshing if you could...or would make a valid point. America IS the repressor doesn't cut it.

posted June 26, 2005 03:07 PM            

See, the former Smith's Singer is still..well, a celebrity. He, will of course, pose with a fan, BUT he is not allowing the fan to approach him in an intimate embrace - from a forward position. (facing forward, turning one's hips into the other person or touching a person on certain areas of the body is all indicative of intimacy or trying to pursue intimacy).

Forward approaches are not always intimate - shaking a collegues hand, kissing the air next to each cheek...that is cultural). It is when two people are within the zone of comfort, facing each other that it becomes intimate.

If the fan in the pic had his hand draped around Morissey's waist or at the small of his back- that indicates a more intimate gesture. If Morissey's head was cocked more towards the fan or he had his hand around the fan's waist, then yes, that would signal a relationship / friendship or that he was interested.

posted June 26, 2005 03:08 PM              

NewsMax spreads more lies:

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?encquery=a307591fb0c2f42faf231ab725ca657e&invocationType=keyword_rollover&ie=UTF-8

http://lanl-the-real-story.blogspot.com/2005/06/newsmax.html

posted June 26, 2005 03:12 PM              

i'm rolling on the floor laughing here...!!

jwhop you crack me up....!!

hearing you call AG a liar has got to be one of the most hypocritical things ive ever seen you post here....

keep it up jwhop, i get all my best material from you......

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That's true: I don't think the pics are comparable, but that wasn't the point of the post. The point is that people do accomodate others, and it's not a boundary issue.

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Jwhop,

That whole post is hilarious. I especially like this line, "I know you aren't capable of generating your own thoughts to speak but, it would be refreshing if you would try. It would also be refreshing if you could...or would make a valid point."

So ironic.

posted June 26, 2005 05:52 PM            

Well Acoustic, I notice you didn't post all your comments from this forum on your defense of the United States. Or perhaps your did...and it's a blank spot on the page because there are none. You're exactly what I said you are, a far left radical who couldn't get to the middle of the road if you wanted to. Why you won't admit it is beyond me. You would get a lot of brownie points with some if you did. Do you think you're more credible or your lying argument is more credible if you pose as middle of the road?

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Also, she's a lawyer and a professor of philosophy.
http://www.fairfield.edu/x2560.html

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Dr. Joy Gordon, Associate Professor of Philosophy (attorney) is on the board of New Haven/Leon Sister City Project and is chair of Sostenica oversight committee.

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Well Acoustic, I notice you didn't post all your comments from this forum on your defense of the United States. Or perhaps your did...and it's a blank spot on the page because there are none. You're exactly what I said you are, a far left radical who couldn't get to the middle of the road if you wanted to.

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Oh yes, I forgot!

I was referring to my four year stint in the US Navy. If I had a scanner I'd consider posting my DD-214 for you, let you see my honorable discharge. I do believe that makes me infinity qualified to be an American.

Here's me on the Fantail of my ship:

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Hell, I have one too but I don't try to use it prove any points.

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Tell your brain dead friends at MoveOn.org who morphed Bush into Hitler I said, stuff it!

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http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp

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It's also true there were a lot of other prominent Americans who supported Hitler over Stalin and who were against America entering the war against Germany. It is not at all clear though that Prescott Bush supported..idealogically...Hitler. Many other's did.

Laying all that aside, it has absolutely nothing to do with George W. Bush...or for that matter George HW Bush. W wasn't even born at that time and HW was a couple of year later off in the Pacific flying...I believe...torpedo planes on something over 50 missions, one of which was shot down.

See, I don't like attempts to destroy someone's reputation by something one of their relatives or ancestors did. If I did, then pothead/cokehead and drug dealer Roger Clinton would come quickly to mind. As would the sweet deal the Forbes cousin of John Kerry got cut by North Vietnam, immediately after Kerry's committee cleared North Vietnam of still holding any American POW's. Or the absolutely loony antics of Billy Carter.

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They were murderers....why the f*ck would I even be interested in anyhting more about them? Dumb a**.

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John Kerry is the Constitutional definition of a traitor...one who gave aid and comfort to an enemy of America.

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And of what exactly? Where's your proof? I am sure you are not saying it just to say it.

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It is not at all clear though that Prescott Bush supported..idealogically...Hitler.

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Sometimes people claim they know things when in reality they no nothing at all.

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
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Chapter - II - The Hitler Project

Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.@s1

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`` Cornelis Lievense--4 shares ''
[president and director of UBC; New York resident banking functionary for the Nazis]

`` Harold D. Pennington--1 share ''
[treasurer and director of UBC; an office manager employed by Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman]

`` Ray Morris--1 share ''

[director of UBC; partner of Bush and the Harrimans]

`` Prescott S. Bush--1 share ''
[director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman]

`` H.J. Kouwenhoven--1 share ''
[director of UBC; organized UBC as the emissary of Fritz Thyssen in negotiations with George Walker and Averell Harriman; managing director of UBC's Netherlands affiliate under Nazi occupation; industrial executive in Nazi Germany; director and chief foreign financial executive of the German Steel Trust]

`` Johann G. Groeninger--1 share ''
[director of UBC and of its Netherlands affiliate; industrial executive in Nazi Germany]

`` all of which shares are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country.... ''

By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North Africa. On Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.@s2

U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on Nov. 8, 1942; heavy combat raged throughout November. Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.@s3

These and other actions taken by the U.S. government in wartime were, tragically, too little and too late. President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results.

The facts presented here must be known, and their implications reflected upon, for a proper understanding of President George Herbert Walker Bush and of the danger to mankind that he represents. The President's family fortune was largely a result of the Hitler project. The powerful Anglo-American family associations, which later boosted him into the Central Intelligence Agency and up to the White House, were his father's partners in the Hitler project.

President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news,@s4 explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the `` Thyssen family '' of `` Germany and/or Hungary ''--`` nationals ... of a designated enemy country. ''

By deciding that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corp. were legally front men for the Nazis, the government avoided the more important historical issue: In what way were Hitler's Nazis themselves hired, armed and instructed by the New York and London clique of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager? Let us examine the Harriman-Bush Hitler project from the 1920s until it was partially broken up, to seek an answer for that question.

Origin and Extent of the Project
Fritz Thyssen and his business partners are universally recognized as the most important German financiers of Adolf Hitler's takeover of Germany. At the time of the order seizing the Thyssen family's Union Banking Corp., Mr. Fritz Thyssen had already published his famous book, I Paid Hitler,@s5 admitting that he had financed Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement since October 1923. Thyssen's role as the leading early backer of Hitler's grab for power in Germany had been noted by U.S. diplomats in Berlin in 1932.@s6 The order seizing the Bush-Thyssen bank was curiously quiet and modest about the identity of the perpetrators who had been nailed.

But two weeks before the official order, government investigators had reported secretly that `` W. Averell Harriman was in Europe sometime prior to 1924 and at that time became acquainted with Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist. '' Harriman and Thyssen agreed to set up a bank for Thyssen in New York. `` [C]ertain of [Harriman's] associates would serve as directors.... '' Thyssen agent `` H. J. Kouwenhoven ... came to the United States ... prior to 1924 for conferences with the Harriman Company in this connection.... ''@s7

When exactly was `` Harriman in Europe sometime prior to 1924 ''? In fact, he was in Berlin in 1922 to set up the Berlin branch of W.A. Harriman & Co. under George Walker's presidency.

The Union Banking Corporation was established formally in 1924, as a unit in the Manhattan offices of W.A. Harriman & Co., interlocking with the Thyssen-owned Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart (BHS) in the Netherlands. The investigators concluded that `` the Union Banking Corporation has since its inception handled funds chiefly supplied to it through the Dutch bank by the Thyssen interests for American investment. ''

Thus by personal agreement between Averell Harriman and Fritz Thyssen in 1922, W.A. Harriman & Co. (alias Union Banking Corporation) would be transferring funds back and forth between New York and the `` Thyssen interests '' in Germany. By putting up about $400,000, the Harriman organization would be joint owner and manager of Thyssen's banking operations outside of Germany.

How important was the Nazi enterprise for which President Bush's father was the New York banker?

The 1942 U.S. government investigative report said that Bush's Nazi-front bank was an interlocking concern with the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (United Steel Works Corporation or German Steel Trust) led by Fritz Thyssen and his two brothers. After the war, Congressional investigators probed the Thyssen interests, Union Banking Corp. and related Nazi units. The investigation showed that the Vereinigte Stahlwerke had produced the following approximate proportions of total German national output:

50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
36.0% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
35.0% of Nazi Germany's explosives.@s8
Prescott Bush became vice president of W.A. Harriman & Co. in 1926. That same year, a friend of Harriman and Bush set up a giant new organization for their client Fritz Thyssen, prime sponsor of politician Adolf Hitler. The new German Steel Trust, Germany's largest industrial corporation, was organized in 1926 by Wall Street banker Clarence Dillon. Dillon was the old comrade of Prescott Bush's father Sam Bush from the `` Merchants of Death '' bureau in World War I.

In return for putting up $70 million to create his organization, majority owner Thyssen gave the Dillon Read company two or more representatives on the board of the new Steel Trust.@s9

Thus there is a division of labor: Thyssen's own confidential accounts, for political and related purposes, were run through the Walker-Bush organization; the German Steel Trust did its corporate banking through Dillon Read.

The Walker-Bush firm's banking activities were not just politically neutral money-making ventures which happened to coincide with the aims of German Nazis. All of the firm's European business in those days was organized around anti-democratic political forces.

In 1927, criticism of their support for totalitarianism drew this retort from Bert Walker, written from Kennebunkport to Averell Harriman: `` It seems to me that the suggestion in connection with Lord Bearsted's views that we withdraw from Russia smacks somewhat of the impertinent.... I think that we have drawn our line and should hew to it. ''@s1@s0

Averell Harriman met with Italy's fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini. A representative of the firm subsequently telegraphed good news back to his chief executive Bert Walker: `` ... During these last days ... Mussolini ... has examined and approved our c[o]ntract 15 June. ''@s1@s1

The great financial collapse of 1929-31 shook America, Germany and Britain, weakening all governments. It also made the hard-pressed Prescott Bush even more willing to do whatever was necessary to retain his new place in the world. It was in this crisis that certain Anglo-Americans determined on the installation of a Hitler regime in Germany

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Robert A. Lovett also came over as a partner from Brown Brothers. His father, E.H. Harriman's lawyer and railroad chief, had been on the War Industries Board with Prescott's father. Though he remained a partner in Brown Brothers Harriman, the junior Lovett soon replaced his father as chief executive of Union Pacific Railroad.

Brown Brothers had a racial tradition that fitted it well for the Hitler project! American patriots had cursed its name back in U.S. Civil War days. Brown Brothers, with offices in the U.S.A. and in England, had carried on their ships fully 75 percent of the slave cotton from the American South over to British mill owners. Now in 1931, the virtual dictator of world finance, Bank of England Governor Montagu Collet Norman, was a former Brown Brothers partner, whose grandfather had been boss of Brown Brothers during the U.S. Civil War. Montagu Norman was known as the most avid of Hitler's supporters within British ruling circles, and Norman's intimacy with this firm was essential to his management of the Hitler project.

In 1931, while Prescott Bush ran the New York office of Brown Brothers Harriman, Prescott's partner was Montagu Norman's intimate friend Thatcher Brown. The Bank of England chief always stayed at the home of Prescott's partner on his hush-hush trips to New York. Prescott Bush concentrated on the firm's German activities, and Thatcher Brown saw to their business in old England, under the guidance of his mentor Montagu Norman.@s1@s2

Hitler's Ladder to Power
Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany January 30, 1933, and absolute dictator in March 1933, after two years of expensive and violent lobbying and electioneering. Two affiliates of the Bush-Harriman organization played great parts in this criminal undertaking: Thyssen's German Steel Trust; and the Hamburg-Amerika Line and several of its executives.@s1@s3

Let us look more closely at the Bush family's German partners.

Fritz Thyssen told Allied interrogators after the war about some of his financial support for the Nazi Party: `` In 1930 or 1931 ... I told [Hitler's deputy Rudolph] Hess ... I would arrange a credit for him with a Dutch bank in Rotterdam, the Bank fu@aur Handel und Schiff [i.e. Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart (BHS), the Harriman-Bush affiliate]. I arranged the credit ... he would pay it back in three years.... I chose a Dutch bank because I did not want to be mixed up with German banks in my position, and because I thought it was better to do business with a Dutch bank, and I thought I would have the Nazis a little more in my hands... .

`` The credit was about 250-300,000 [gold] marks--about the sum I had given before. The loan has been repaid in part to the Dutch bank, but I think some money is still owing on it.... ''@s1@s4

The overall total of Thyssen's political donations and loans to the Nazis was well over a million dollars, including funds he raised from others--in a period of terrible money shortage in Germany.

Friedrich Flick was the major co-owner of the German Steel Trust with Fritz Thyssen, Thyssen's long-time collaborator and occasional competitor. In preparation for the war crimes tribunal at Nuremberg, the U.S. government said that Flick was `` one of leading financiers and industrialists who from 1932 contributed large sums to the Nazi Party ... member of `Circle of Friends' of Himmler who contributed large sums to the SS. ''@s1@s5

Flick, like Thyssen, financed the Nazis to maintain their private armies called Schutzstaffel (S.S. or Black Shirts) and Sturmabteilung (S.A., storm troops or Brown Shirts).

The Flick-Harriman partnership was directly supervised by Prescott Bush, President Bush's father, and by George Walker, President Bush's grandfather.

The Harriman-Walker Union Banking Corp. arrangements for the German Steel Trust had made them bankers for Flick and his vast operations in Germany by no later than 1926.

The Harriman Fifteen Corporation (George Walker, president, Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman, sole directors) held a substantial stake in the Silesian Holding Co. at the time of the merger with Brown Brothers, Jan. 1, 1931. This holding correlated to Averell Harriman's chairmanship of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the American group owning one-third of a complex of steel-making, coal-mining and zinc-mining activities in Germany and Poland, in which Friedrich Flick owned two-thirds.@s1@s6

The Nuremberg prosecutor characterized Flick as follows:

`` Proprietor and head of a large group of industrial enterprises (coal and iron mines, steel producing and fabricating plants) ... `Wehrwirtschaftsfuh@aurer', 1938 [title awarded to prominent industrialists for merit in armaments drive--`Military Economy Leader'].... ''@s1@s7

For this buildup of the Hitler war machine with coal, steel and arms production, using slave laborers, the Nazi Flick was condemned to seven years in prison at the Nuremberg trials; he served three years. With friends in New York and London, however, Flick lived into the 1970s and died a billionaire.

On March 19, 1934, Prescott Bush--then director of the German Steel Trust's Union Banking Corporation--initiated an alert to the absent Averell Harriman about a problem which had developed in the Flick partnership.@s1@s8 Bush sent Harriman a clipping from the New York Times of that day, which reported that the Polish government was fighting back against American and German stockholders who controlled `` Poland's largest industrial unit, the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company.... ''

The Times article continued: `` The company has long been accused of mismanagement, excessive borrowing, fictitious bookkeeping and gambling in securities. Warrants were issued in December for several directors accused of tax evasions. They were German citizens and they fled. They were replaced by Poles. Herr Flick, regarding this as an attempt to make the company's board entirely Polish, retaliated by restricting credits until the new Polish directors were unable to pay the workmen regularly. ''

The Times noted that the company's mines and mills `` employ 25,000 men and account for 45 percent of Poland's total steel output and 12 percent of her coal production. Two-thirds of the company's stock is owned by Friedrich Flick, a leading German steel industrialist, and the remainder is owned by interests in the United States. ''

In view of the fact that a great deal of Polish output was being exported to Hitler Germany under depression conditions, the Polish government thought that Prescott Bush, Harriman and their Nazi partners should at least pay full taxes on their Polish holdings. The U.S. and Nazi owners responded with a lockout. The letter to Harriman in Washington reported a cable from their European representative: `` Have undertaken new steps London Berlin ... please establish friendly relations with Polish Ambassador [in Washington]. ''

A 1935 Harriman Fifteen Corporation memo from George Walker announced an agreement had been made `` in Berlin '' to sell an 8,000 block of their shares in Consolidated Silesian Steel.@s1@s9 But the dispute with Poland did not deter the Bush family from continuing its partnership with Flick.

Nazi tanks and bombs `` settled '' this dispute in September, 1939 with the invasion of Poland, beginning World War II. The Nazi army had been equipped by Flick, Harriman, Walker and Bush, with materials essentially stolen from Poland.

There were probably few people at the time who could appreciate the irony, that when the Soviets also attacked and invaded Poland from the East, their vehicles were fueled by oil pumped from Baku wells revived by the Harriman/Walker/Bush enterprise.

Three years later, nearly a year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of the Nazis' share in the Silesian-American Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. Enemy nationals were said to own 49 percent of the common stock and 41.67 percent of the preferred stock of the company.

The order characterized the company as a `` business enterprise within the United States, owned by [a front company in] Zurich, Switzerland, and held for the benefit of Bergwerksgesellschaft George von Giesche's Erben, a German corporation.... ''@s2@s0

Bert Walker was still the senior director of the company, which he had founded back in 1926 simultaneously with the creation of the German Steel Trust. Ray Morris, Prescott's partner from Union Banking Corp. and Brown Brothers Harriman, was also a director.

The investigative report prior to the government crackdown explained the `` NATURE OF BUSINESS: The subject corporation is an American holding company for German and Polish subsidiaries, which own large and valuable coal and zinc mines in Silesia, Poland and Germany. Since September 1939, these properties have been in the possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country in its war effort. ''@s2@s1

The report noted that the American stockholders hoped to regain control of the European properties after the war.

Control of Nazi Commerce
Bert Walker had arranged the credits Harriman needed to take control of the Hamburg-Amerika Line back in 1920. Walker had organized the American Ship and Commerce Corp. as a unit of the W.A. Harriman & Co., with contractual power over Hamburg-Amerika's affairs.

As the Hitler project went into high gear, Harriman-Bush shares in American Ship and Commerce Corp. were held by the Harriman Fifteen Corp., run by Prescott Bush and Bert Walker.@s2@s2

It was a convenient stroll for the well-tanned, athletic, handsome Prescott Bush: From the Brown Brothers Harriman skyscraper at 59 Wall Street--where he was senior managing partner, confidential investments manager and adviser to Averell and his brother `` Bunny ''--he walked across to the Harriman Fifteen Corporation at One Wall Street, otherwise known as G.H. Walker & Co.--and around the corner to his subsidiary offices at 39 Broadway, former home of the old W.A. Harriman & Co., and still the offices for American Ship and Commerce Corp., and of the Union Banking Corporation.

In many ways, Bush's Hamburg-Amerika Line was the pivot for the entire Hitler project.

Averell Harriman and Bert Walker had gained control over the steamship company in 1920 in negotiations with its post-World War I chief executive, Wilhelm Cuno, and with the line's bankers, M.M. Warburg. Cuno was thereafter completely dependent on the Anglo-Americans, and became a member of the Anglo-German Friendship Society. In the 1930-32 drive for a Hitler dictatorship, Wilhelm Cuno contributed important sums to the Nazi Party.@s2@s3

Albert Voegler was chief executive of the Thyssen-Flick German Steel Trust for which Bush's Union Banking Corp. was the New York office. He was a director of the Bush-affiliate BHS Bank in Rotterdam, and a director of the Harriman-Bush Hamburg-Amerika Line. Voegler joined Thyssen and Flick in their heavy 1930-33 Nazi contributions, and helped organize the final Nazi leap into national power.@s2@s4

The Schroeder family of bankers was a linchpin for the Nazi activities of Harriman and Prescott Bush, closely tied to their lawyers Allen and John Foster Dulles.

Baron Kurt von Schroeder was co-director of the massive Thyssen-Hu@autte foundry along with Johann Groeninger, Prescott Bush's New York bank partner. Kurt von Schroeder was treasurer of the support organization for the Nazi Party's private armies, to which Friedrich Flick contributed.

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