posted April 25, 2006 12:33 PM              

Unless, of course, your statement is to imply that anyone who does not support Bush as you do, or anyone who disagrees with your thoughts and opinions on things is not in communication with God.

posted April 25, 2006 12:41 PM              

A simple no the question I asked would have sufficed, lotus so your statement about God was not really necessary in context of the discussion.

People say what they do and phrase themselves the way they do for a reason, lotus

posted April 25, 2006 12:56 PM            

After the 767 jet liner crashed into the world trade center building creating the worst terror attack in history, a fire burned for 56 minutes inside the World Trade Center building number two. The top 20 floors of the building collapsed on the 90 floors below. The entire one hundred and ten-story building collapsed in 8 seconds... After a fire burned inside WTC tower number one for 102 minutes, the top 30 floors collapsed on the lower 80 floors. And the entire one hundred and ten stories of this building collapsed in 10 seconds. You can say the reason they collapsed was they were struck with a 185 ton jet airliner and the 24,000 gallons of jet fuel caused a fire of 1500 to 2000 degrees F which weakened the steel and cause the collapse. Or you can take a closer look at the buildings construction of the WTC buildings. And ask yourself why did these structures collapse so fast and so completely. The answer can be found by examining high-rise construction in New York City over the past 50 years............
http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html

posted April 25, 2006 01:16 PM              

Now for those that know me..you know that I always say to go within and find your own truth. ...

Also..that we are all equal..all God's children..

All should respect ALL

"In God We TrUSt"

and undertake to do everything with Love..

posted April 25, 2006 01:29 PM            

the picture that Petron posted was obviously tongue-in-cheek but it is a fact that Atta's passport was found amongst the rubble. anyone who believes that it honestly survived the inferno and wasn't planted by our gov't to support the official story is sadly being duped.

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posted April 25, 2006 02:31 PM              

Petron was "playing with us" with that doctored picture....

When you're here more often, you'll get to know his keen sense of humor....

posted April 25, 2006 06:12 PM              

The Official Commission Avoids the Core Issues

In the fall of 2002, the "National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" was established, partly in response to pressure from families of victims of the 9/11/01 attack. Originally, President Bush appointed Henry Kissinger, famous for his role in cover-ups and widely considered a war criminal, as chairman of the Commission. However, Kissinger soon stepped down in order to avoid answering questions about potential conflicts of interest, which would have required him to disclose secret clients. Kissinger was replaced by former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean, and Lee H. Hamilton was selected as the vice chair. Thereafter the body became commonly known as the "Kean Commission" or the "9/11 Commission". 1 2

Senator Max Cleland, who initially served on the Commission, was the only outspoken member. He compared the Kean Commission to the Warren Commission:

"The Warren Commission blew it. I'm not going to be part of that. I'm not going to be part of looking at information only partially. I'm not going to be part of just coming to quick conclusions. I'm not going to be part of political pressure to do this or not do that."

My note: Subsequently the Bush adminstration went after McCleland in a smear campaign as they do all those who oppose them and speak out.

In November of 2003, President Bush appointed Cleland to a position on the board of the Export-Import Bank, prompting him to step down from the Commission. He was replaced by probable war criminal Bob Kerrey. As of May, 2004, the Commission consisted of the following members:

Thomas Kean (chair) director of oil giant Amerada Hess. business ties to Saudis Khalid bin Mahfouz. co-chairman of Homeland Security Project. CFR member.

Lee H. Hamilton (vice chair) member of Homeland Security Advisory Council. former chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and House Select Intelligence Committee. chair of committee investigating Iran/Contra. CFR member.

Richard Ben-Veniste partner in the Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw law firm which represented Westfield Corporation and Westfield America -- insurance beneficiaries of the court-ordered multi-billion dollar payout for the World Trade Center destruction.

Bob Kerrey vice-chair of the Senate Committee on Intelligence. Kerrey said in a 1999 Washington Post column that the Vietnam war (which killed over 2 million civilians) was a "just war."

Fred F. Fielding worked for John Dean as White House counsel to Nixon -- "Deep Throat" of Watergate fame, avoided prison time.

Jamie S. Gorelick current and former partner, along with Commission General Counsel Daniel Marcus, of Wilmer, Cutler and Pickering, a law firm representing Prince Mohammed al Faisal against the August 2002 lawsuit by victims' families against several Saudi princes and banks, and the Sudanese government. vice-chair of mortgage giant Fannie Mae. Former deputy to Janet Reno. CFR member.

Slade Gorton served two years on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

John F. Lehman former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan. disgraced in a number of scandals, including Tailhook.

Timothy J. Roemer member of the House Intelligence Committee.

James R. Thompson chairman of the large Chicago-based law firm Winston and Strawn, whose clients have included American Airlines, Boeing, and a number of WTC tenants.

Philip Zelikow member of George W. Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board; member of Bush-Cheney transition team.

Philip Zelikow: Calling the Shots

Chairs Kean and Hamilton served as the public face of the Commission. Their conflicts of interest should be concern enough, but the real work of the Commission was in the hands of Philip Zelikow, a fact documented by David Ray Griffin, in his book devoted to exposing biases, omissions, and distortions in the Commission: The 9/11 Commission Report; Omissions and Distortions.

... as executive director, Zelikow was in charge of the Commission's staff, and it was these staff members -- not the Commissioners we saw on television -- who did most of the actual work of the Commission. The Commissioners would have carried out their own distinctive work -- their discussions and interviews -- on the basis of the material provided by the staff. Kean and Hamilton refer to this fact in their statement that the "professional staff, headed by Philip Zelikow, ... conducted the exacting investigative work upon which the Commission has built" (xvi-xvii).

Griffin enumerates some of Zelikow's many connections to the Bush White House:

Member of the National Security Council of the Bush I administration

Aid to National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft under Bush I

Co-Author of book with Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor for Bush II
Director of Aspen Strategy Group, to which Rice, Scowcroft, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz belonged

Member of Clinton to Bush II transition team
Member of Bush II's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, until being appointed to 9/11 Commission

Because of the determinative role of Philip Zelikow in the Commission's work, Griffin dubbed the Commission's final report the "Kean-Zelikow Report."

The Final Report

On July 22, 2004, the Commission published its final report, the 9/11 Commission Report, of which we provide a local mirror to remedy deficiencies in the format of the report published on the Commission's website. The Commission closed on August 21, 2004.

The "Omission Commission"

posted April 25, 2006 08:18 PM            

I still wonder, though. Why did Building 7 fall down, again? As far as I know, there were only two planes that hit the WTC complex that day, and neither of them hit Building 7. Yet, it fell down, due to fire, I've heard.

But what about the fact that no steel-skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire before?

And the fact that the velocity of the falling sections floors was too great for them to be smashing into each other, as the official version holds? Their velocity indicates that they were in near-freefall. The floors beneath them collapsed before the floors above hit them, reminiscent of a controlled demolition.

And then the fact that the highly advanced, highly trained USAF was completely oblivious to those hijacked, rogue 747s flying around in our airspace for over an hour.

And how about the 7 supposed suicide hijackers who are confirmed as still alive?

Plus the pre-9/11 insider trading on UA and AA options being traceable back to the top echelons of the CIA.

Then there are the unusually low number of passengers on the 9/11 flights: http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/19/hijacked.planes/

I could continue. The word of a fire-chief is respectable, no doubt, but what about all the firemen who said they saw, heard, and smelled explosives?

posted April 26, 2006 07:00 AM              

Now, 15 terrorists hijacked 4 planes. Since they are so damned good in what they do to have outwitted CIA, FBI and the entire Adminstration, they would have been good enough to complete this logical plan for an efficient terrorist operation:

Establishment of 100s of trained sleepers across USA. There were no visa restrictions till 9-11 and 100s of hardened terrorists should have entered US to carry out systematic attacks.

Now, why havent these sleepers carried out another attack? Not even one suicide bombing in 5 years? Knowing that only a fire + explosion is sufficient to bring down a building, they can easily plan to short circuit the wiring in any high rise building.
AC Ducts are not inspected regularly, they could have systematically loaded small quantities of explosives every day in several ducts in another building and blown it up WITHOUT losing their life?

Oklahoma method is also known to the terrorists.

Yet not even one attack in retaliation to the Iraq war and Afghan war.

This does not add up. The terrorists in 2006 are more motivated than the 9-11 gang. Now they have even more emotional reasons to cause terror. Yet not even one attack from one sleeper. There have to be 100s, since these guys are so smart. Conversely we have had attacks in London from fresh and rookie terrorists, those who joined the dark side after 2003-2004.

Something does not add up.

WHAT ARE THE 100s of HARD CORE SLEEPERS DOING IN THE USA FOR 5 years?

Ask the FBI and CIA, ask your senators and authorities who push the official 9-11 story down your throats. Why have the sleepers not been apprehended?

In any case, the authorities do not accept Mind Control and MKUltra either. Religious indoctrination is the ultimate mind control tool. What will the Authorities do when the Sleepers "Awaken" to carry out the unfinished tasks? It is in the interest of every American that any and every sleeper be caught. If they are "allowed" to attack, more freedoms will be curtailed and America may turn into of its Lexis... A CRIME.. by the government against their own folk.

posted April 26, 2006 12:01 PM              

It was a waste of life.

Humans destroy the world by destroying eachother.

posted April 26, 2006 12:09 PM            

Bush was reluctant to convene an outside Commission to review the 9/11 issue. He wanted Congressional panels to review the matter and issue reports. Congressional committees which have the "legal oversight jurisdiction".

Congressional panels were convened...in addition to the 9/11 Commission and they all came to the same conclusions.

Conclusions which don't include any of the BS you spout here. Generally, I find you clueless Mirandee when it comes to factual matters. Bush did not choose 9/11 Commission panel members.

You have that leftist disease...making lying allegations you can't back up with facts. Lying allegations gleaned from brain dead leftist morons with an ax to grind.

I'm perfectly content to let the fringe radical left destroy their credibility with lies, hoaxes, rumors, innuendo and supposition while they vent their spleen over being out of political power in America.

posted April 26, 2006 01:17 PM            

Regarding your theory the upper floors of the Twin Towers were falling in free fall and lower floors were going down before being struck from the floors above them: are you sure about the speed of objects in free fall? Objects in free fall have a terminal velocity of about 120mph. I make that to be about 176 feet per second.

Have you also taken into consideration the additional weight falling on each succeeding floor as the entire weight of upper floors fall on the floor(s) below?

Do you know the total number of fighters assigned to fly patrol which are part of NORAD...nationwide? I'm talking about actual duty assignments, with planes fueled, pilots on active standby, not planes on the ground for which there are no air crews...because they have no duty assignment.

Are you aware when transponders are turned off, the plane disappears from air traffic control screens?

Are you aware of the time lag between those civilian aircraft disappearing off air traffic control screens before they notified NORAD?

I can take most any random event and dream up a conspiracy theory to explain the result.

Do you have any idea the number of people who would have had to be a part of the conspiracy...if a conspiracy actually existed? We're talking about a very large number of people. None of whom has come forward. People in the US military...whose oath requires their protection of the United States and the US Constitution. Are they all traitors, without honor? People at NORAD, which included military personnel from Canada. We've just expanded the conspiracy to include the Canadian government and military. People in air traffic control, people with families, friends...as the other elements of the supposed conspiracy would also have. People at the airlines too. And where are those planes and passengers if civilian airplanes didn't strike the WTC and Pentagon? Like I said, a large number of people.

Now, when do you suppose all that weakening of the building superstructure took place? Do you have any idea how many people would have had to work on that and the time element involved to cut all those supports...and set all those explosives? Under ideal conditions...no nosy people in the building going on about their normal business, it would take, judging from film I've seen of building demolitions, it would take weeks to get a building of those sizes to collapse straight down in it's own footprint on the ground.

But, in a conspiracy to set up a reason for attacking Afghanistan or any combination of nations/terrorists, why would it be necessary to have the building fall into it's own footprint. Why not just set explosives at the base of every support beam or selected supports and let the building fall and cause as much damage as possible...bigger effect if it falls sideways and takes down other structures too.

posted April 26, 2006 02:38 PM            

You make too much sense. LOL... Again, I have posted before, when it comes to a conspiracy theory of the magnitude that involves 9/11 and the subsequent war (including all the supposed player in the US and Global community) it becomes quite unbelievable.

I also note that if this were to be the case, other than all the FACTUAL (get it - KEYWORD - FACTUAL) information you posted, one would also have to believe that all these people are working in concert to fool the global community. YET, some people, with special powers - several of which bless our own LindaLand with their otherworld gifts of seeing what no one else can- have determined that a theory exists.

These people get their information from another select group of outcast scientists, language art professors and otherwise pro-anarchists, and call it good. Nevermind the analysis of the evidence, the eyewitness that were there or the true sequence of events that took place along with time documentation. That is all meaningless to the theorists that WANT so much to believe they alone have this superpower.

What is the difference between someone that sees conspiracy in everything, no matter how outlandish and those that believed if they swallowed special water and wore sneakers they would catch the comet to a better world?

I wonder what psychological precursers indicate a willingness to believe in such outlandish conspiracies must be present. Would we find a predominance of paranoid tendancies? Would the same psychological precursers also be found in those most likely to join a cult, commune or other movement that makes them feel "special" or "included"?