posted April 27, 2006 02:19 PM              

so..if you like..please just take it as my opinion..

posted April 27, 2006 02:44 PM            

What people say and do is a different story Mirandee.

You are posting lies and I've shown you some of them, yet you continue. This is not a matter of perception Mirandee. A statement is either true or it isn't, end of the story.

I dance to nobody's tune Mirandee.

I chose Bush over the traitor John Kerry and I would make that choice every single time.

posted April 27, 2006 06:30 PM            

Did you see my lovely post on page 3, Jwhop? It had all sorts of great physics and links and stuff!

Eh? Eh?

posted April 27, 2006 06:35 PM            

From what I've read, Israel is much more of a terrorist state than any Islamic nation in the region has any chance of being. Alternative news sources surely do open one's eyes, huh?

And it is interesting to note that the motto of the Israeli intelligence agency, the MOSSAD, is "By deception thou shalt do war."

posted April 27, 2006 06:44 PM              

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Rainbow, you are smart and far more enlightened than Sheeple with masters degrees. You dont have to prove anything to anyone and dont have to lose your valuable energy defending yourself.

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IQ...you don't know how much I appreciate that...thank you so much...

posted April 27, 2006 06:48 PM              

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Lotus, that is silly. Rainbow does not need you to explain anything to him/her, and all you are doing is taking the thread off topic.

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Thank you too Johnny....I appreciate your comments as well....and oh by the way...I am female.

posted April 27, 2006 06:57 PM              

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Rainbow, you go girl, and you just keep doing as you are doing, being yourself and telling the truth as you believe it to be regardless of what anyone else says or does. An open mind such as yours shows far greater intelligence than a closed mind that refuses to hear differing opinions and thoughts and consider them, because once a person thinks once and for all they know everything then they cease to grow as individuals, they cease to grow in faith or intelligence. That will never happen to you

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You all make me feel so much better, altho I've never doubted what my heart and mind tell me about all the evil that prevails....

MIRANDEE....THIS IS FOR YOU (for this special day)

posted April 27, 2006 07:04 PM              

Harpyr said...

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Pidaua,
It's starting to seem like you go out of your way to insult and taunt Rainbow. I find that embarassing.

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Thanks, Harpyr

Love,
Rainbow

posted April 27, 2006 07:42 PM            

It normally starts with her making some assnine comment, then I reply, then she points out something nonsensical. I will call her on it, she pretends I am attacking her, makes snide remarks (usually in other threads) and then starts her little campaign of arguing points that don't exists. Like inferring that I am more concerned with the "graphics" than the context of the comment (which actually was what I was talking about).

I am sure it does come across as me being more aggressive since she has a hard time taking what she dishes out.

Do I feel embarrassed? Hell no. Seems that Rainbow has no problem making her pointed comments known about myself and others and wastes no time calling some "Evil, deranged, baby killing monsters" yet, become incensed when we question her.

I have felt that others should also be embarassed by their continued support for various issues that are more or less insane, untrue, or out of this world - but THAT is my opinion. Most of the time I say nothing other than to comment on what is going on.

I draw the line when I am questioning the validity of what someone is saying and in response I have Rainbow almost tracking where ever I post on here and then posting "So!!!" Or "Pid, your mind is dense" (and yes, I am paraphrasing). Or if I am in a debate with another person, she feels compelled to type "Oh don't worry, I am sending you love and light because I know how much it hurts to be on the end of her attack for no reason. You go girl!"

Again, she is entitled to her feelings and can track where ever I post to make her feelings known. At the same time, I will post back and I am so tired of holding back (which I had done for quite some time).

If it embarrasses you please feel free to make that known at every stop. You will have a few people that haven't been happy with my comments or responses or the fact that I ask them to post facts instead of op ed, on your side.

You will get that "attaboy / attagirl" from people like Rainbow (Hell, you got one here). And she will be your bestest friend in the whole wide world.

Have a blast, be embarrassed, do whatever, but trust me, I won't lose any sleep because I know that I am not in the wrong nor do I need to be in some click where people have to call me the sweetest most wonderful person that never counters their liberal ways. Oh and, you don't find it insulting the way she has spoken of Lotus?

posted April 27, 2006 07:59 PM            

"Rainbow is Native American. I am part Native American and we know from our people's experience what our government is capable of doing to get what they want. Pres. Andrew Jackson practiced genocide on the Native Americans, they were given blankets infected with smallpox. He treated them as less than human because in his mind they were. Our government has a history of lies, deceptions, and murder to get what they want."

I AM SO FREAKING SICK OF THIS BEING USED TO DEFEND SPEECH FILLED WITH HATE AND LOATHING FOR OUR GOVERNMENT!!!

I am American Indian (I hate using Native American because as most of my brothers and sisters in the SW feel - WE are AMERICAN first!) I am back in the land where my ancestors roamed - Cochise County - loved by the Chiricahua, Mescalero, and San Carlos Apache.

My grandmother is a fullblood, my grandfather was half - You can guess what they makes me. No one here mistakes what I am ethnically. My mother is a fair haired German / Cherokee woman.

I DO NOT believe the sins of the past turn me into a USA government hating human and I am sick of others thinking that.

1) American Indians are not a culture of peace loving, pipe smoking enlighted Shaman and Medicine men / women. We have abuses of every kind. Our ancestors have committed atrocities against our own tribe mates and those outside of the tribe

2) Many of our brothers and sisters ARE IN THE WAR, have FOUGHT in wars of the past FOR AMERICA and believe in our Country.

To infer that just because you are American Indian and that somehow lends you the ability to "distrust" the American Government basically gives people the idea that we are ALL like that.

I work with the tribes out here, in this State and have over the years. I have worked with the Navajo, Tohono O'dom, White Mountain, San Carlos, Hopi, etc... tribes in Bioterrorism and now in Education and let me tell you - they are more than willing to work with the government. I am sure there are still with some hatred, but you would be surprised at the many who won't even consider the bitterness of old.

Many of those that do, also want to blame the US for all of their misfortunes and inability to get a job. I find a huge correlation (being the person that reviews the testing statistics) between that bitterness, low test scores and high alcohol abuse rates.

Of course, some will believe it is the US governments fault for causing the poor AI's to drink....

Maybe it is because of where I live, but I see many American Indians assimilating, eating, playing pool, with people of every race. No one gives a crap.

Maybe it is because the East Coast still has issues with AI's (I know I had run in's with a few NJ / NY Italians that said 'I thought we ran all you Injuns out West". The NW has their problems with the Casino's and Salmon fishing rights.

posted April 27, 2006 09:26 PM            

We interact with many races continually and nobody gives a crap..except for racists and those will always be found playing the race card.

In my opinion, the only thing necessary to be an American is to be philosophically an American. Many here on various forms of temporary status already are philosophically Americans and many born here are not and never will be. Accidental Americans.

America is the most diverse country in the world. We enjoy each others foods, cultural backgrounds and even some of their language finds it's way into our language....which by the way is English. We must like it or we wouldn't do it.

posted April 28, 2006 02:07 AM              

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America is the most diverse country in the world. We enjoy each others foods, cultural backgrounds and even some of their language finds it's way into our language....which by the way is English. We must like it or we wouldn't do it.

Is America a great country...or what?

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Ya got THAT right, jwhop! ....and I kinda want to keep it that way...*sigh*

posted April 28, 2006 02:05 PM              

First, you know because I have said it, that I do both respect the way that you present your opinions I admire your direct honesty.

I will correct the assumptions you made in your post regarding the Native American comments I made. I understand it was just your perception of what I said but your perception is wrong.

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I AM SO FREAKING SICK OF THIS BEING USED TO DEFEND SPEECH FILLED WITH HATE AND LOATHING FOR OUR GOVERNMENT!!!

No need to shout, my dear. My hearing is quite good. Two misconceptions on your part in this statement:

1. I was not using what I said as a defense as you assume or perceive. I was using it as an example of what our government has been capable of doing to achieve a goal that they want to attain even within this country.

2. That what I say is filled with hate for my country ( hate and loathing is the same thing so it is redundant to say both in the same sentence ) is not only a misconception based on your own biased outlook of what patriotism is - but plain untrue. It is also a defense on your part to protect your own view of what is truth against anything that might question your view of the truth.

I love my country. I was born here, raised here and would not want to live any place else on the planet. I stated in my post that pointing out what is wrong in my government does not mean that I do not recognize and love what is good about it. I stated that pointing out what is wrong in government by myself and others is because we want the good that America always stood for in the world to remain intact.

You see, children have simple minds and they accept everything that their parents say and do to be what is true and right without questioning it. That is a simple, childlike love. But as the child grows into a much more advanced adult love, they come to realize that thier parents weren't always right in their words or deeds. That does not mean that they don't still love their parents and recognize the good, it just means that their love has grown into a more adult stage of questioning and forming their own beliefs rather than accepting what is said and done as right because their parents say so.

I don't know if I explained that clearly or not but that is the way it is with government or anything else. You either have a very childlike way of just accepting everything that authority tells you as truth or you have an adult way of questioning authority by what you hear or even what you see happening around you. Just because you question the truth of what governments say, and by their nature governments all lie, does not mean that you do not also see the good and still go on loving your country.

The problem might be that some of us do not think that the government and the president ARE the country. They are only representatives of what the country is truly based on, the Constitution. And anytime they are in violation of the oath of office to uphold that constitution it should be pointed out. Anytime there is any threat to democracy and freedom it should be both acknowledged and pointed out. Anytime the government lies or covers up things it should be pointed out.

Now I know that all you Bush supporters felt that it was your obligation to do just that in Bill Clinton's case. You felt it your obligation as patriots to make Bill Clinton held accountable for his actions and his lies. But now you feel it is not our obligation to do the same thing to George W. Bush? Does that make any sense to you or do you not see the hypocrisy is that? Why was it okay for you to do the same thing in Clinton's case as we are doing in the case of George W. Bush but not okay for us?

posted April 28, 2006 02:11 PM            

Sorry.. I realized today how my response could have been taken. I was not really posting it directly to you. You just posted a topic that made me thing of so many other posts that I have seen here.

I do get tired of people's perception of American Indian's and peace. We have teachers that come from out East that are dying to work on the reservations because they think they will some how be spiritually enhanced. They come here and then voice how disgusted they are because it isn't what they thought. They wonder "Well, were are the natives with their hair in braids and feathers? Where is the paint and the smoke signals".

It gets old and in the conversations I have with my San Carlos and Navajo friends, we get sick of the misconceptions of being thought of as these medicine people or shaman. People do not understand how sacred some things are and we don't run around with a medicine bag around our necks burning white sage.

The only people I have seen do that are the posers or wannabe Indians. It's sad it really is.

As far as Clinton, Bush etc...

I have always called for accountability, but there are differences in perception when it comes to why we went to war. Those that violently oppose war will always call those in office criminals. There are things Bush has done that I find to be horribly inadequate and I voice my opinion on such things as immigration, the lack of public relations concerning the war, and a few other issues that need to be explored.

I am right there with people when someone is found guilty of scamming the people or called to step down for ethics violations. Just as I am right there when it comes to pushing for the Impeachment of Clinton due to his flagrant obstruction of justice and abuse of power. Had he been a Pubbie, you can bet people would have been calling for his head. But since he stands for the liberal ideals, people downgrade it to "Oh, you just want to make something out of a sexual act".

posted April 28, 2006 02:26 PM              

I am also happy that Rainbow, you, lotus and I share the same heritage. I am in good company. Even if we don't agree on everything. And maybe, especially.

posted April 29, 2006 08:15 PM              

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You see, children have simple minds and they accept everything that their parents say and do to be what is true and right without questioning it. That is a simple, childlike love. But as the child grows into a much more advanced adult love, they come to realize that thier parents weren't always right in their words or deeds. That does not mean that they don't still love their parents and recognize the good, it just means that their love has grown into a more adult stage of questioning and forming their own beliefs rather than accepting what is said and done as right because their parents say so.

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Lovely. Thank you.

Zionism. *deep breath* Now that's a topic! As serious a mental defect as Nazism and as dangerous, in the long term, to the world and the Jews. The CIA occasionally strike me as a bunch of bungling Keystone Cops, but Mossad ... now that's a scary bunch of b@stards.