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jwhop
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posted May 23, 2006 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Traitor Kerry's plan to pull American military forces out of Iraq in May---before the US, coalition and Iraqi forces killed or captured foreign and home grown terrorists was a nonstarter. That would have been a defeat for the US and a victory for terrorists...a terrorist victory Traitor Kerry clearly favors.

Now, this flip-flopping twit traitor is pushing a summit with terrorists, including the terrorist nations of Syria and Iran and terrorists within Iraq.

Anything to prevent a victory in Iraq, anything. That's desperation for Traitor Kerry, Murtha, Pelosi, Kennedy, Durbin, Leahy, all of whom are wetting themselves to get US forces out of Iraq before they win.

All this overlooks the facts of 2 heavily supported elections by Iraqis. All this overlooks the heavy turnout for the Constitutional referendum by Iraqis. And all this overlooks the fact Iraq has just elected a permanent government...including leadership to govern various parts of the institutional government.

It seems impossible that in the US there could be people in the Congress and in the press who would sell out their country for political advantage in the coming elections. But that is exactly what these traitors are attempting. Their treason runs so broad and so deep they will never get the stench off themselves.

These are the heroes of the left, traitors one and all. An American victory over terrorists in Iraq...or any place else, is a defeat for the left, politically, militarily ideologically and philosophically, because they've aligned themselves with the terrorists against the United States.

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:55 a.m. EDT
Kerry: Global Summit Will End Iraq Insurgency

Senator John Kerry is calling for an international summit to help stabilize Iraq and end the insurgency.

The Democrat says it's "long overdue" for the Congress that shares some of the responsibility for authorizing the war to help get the U.S. out.

Kerry voted for the congressional resolution approving military action.

Over the weekend, Iraq swore in a permanent government and a new prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki.

Kerry says the summit should include representatives of warring factions in Iraq, as well as Europeans, Iranians, Syrians and other Middle Eastern players.

He accuses the Bush administration of engaging in "platitudes" rather than a dispassionate assessment of the military reality in Iraq.

Speaking in Chicago, President Bush says the U.S. has reached a "turning point" in the struggle between freedom and terror.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/23/95705.shtml?s=ic

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pidaua
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posted May 23, 2006 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop,

What is it that causes people like Kerry and Pelosi to actually desire our loss in Iraq? It is as though they celebrate every death of one of our Soldiers, every IED bombing of civilians by terrorists, or every potential mistake made by the administration.

They say WE don't care about the men and women dying in Iraq because we support the war on terror - yet we are not the ones celebrating and holding a press conference every time a Soldier dies. They have that sick smile on their faces as they hold up a picture (s) of the latest casualties stating "this is why we shouldn't go to war". Yet, without those deaths, they would have nothing to complain about.

Reason and logic goes out the door as the same people would have us believe that Cancer can be cured by some cave-dwelling hermit healer and conservatives must believe a certain way because we are brainwashed by some kind of Global New World Order instituted by Bush (although the thought of a NWO was tossed around before the time of Bush or Bush Sr. - that fact is left out because it doesn't quite work into their scheme).

It is because of the nature of people that come to visit LindaLand or is it true of all extreme leftests? I think it's the latter. I have watched it here .. with Liberals stating "Well, Bush is a murderer" Okay, then justify it "Well, I can't and Republican's are just stupid and Ugly"

LOL... There are little catch phrases used again and again like a mantra that allows them to find some kind of peace "Stop the war..... Bush is evil.... Open the borders..... Blood for oil"....

Ah well.... I have come to the conclusion that no matter what is said here and in some circles, the end result will be seen come election time.

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jwhop
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posted May 23, 2006 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid, there was a time when I thought those on the left thought they were in pursuit of a higher purpose. Like everyone else, I listened to their chants of social justice, equality, compassion for the poor and oppressed, the childreeeeen, end war and all the other leftist mantras. I got over that a long time ago as I listened to who was oppressed, who was poor, who was denied justice, what saving the childreeeen, peace and ending war meant to leftists.

I watched as some leftists got into positions of power in the United States and attempted to overthrow the 200 year old underpinnings of the nation. I watched as they attempted to overthrow the Constitution itself by construing it out of existence and enacting legislation diametrically opposed to constitutional principles.

No one should ever accuse leftists of being deep thinkers. I suppose that why they talk in sound bite words. It requires no thinking and it's easy to memorize the buzzwords to pull out and use against anyone who opposes them. Here's a few.
Racist
Homophobe
Warmonger
Greedy
Murderer
Ignorant
Intolerant
Baby killer
Unenlightened

You get the picture I'm sure and it's a given leftists have a short list that requires no thought to employ their buzzwords and brand the opposition with one of them. Of course, leftists are highly offended when anyone lays one on them

The sad truth is that these people have no allegiance to the United States. They consider themselves "citizens of the world". That's the reason they have no problem erasing US borders, no problem with illegal immigration, no problem with attacks on the United States, no problem identifying with every enemy of the US and collaborating with them, no problem with dissolving the sovereignty of the United States into a one world government...so long as that one world government is a socialist/communist government but have extreme problems with the United States enforcing our laws, our borders and our security interests. The United States is an obstacle to be removed. That's the reason I call them "accidental Americans"...born here by accident but philosophically, not American. These people cheer every defeat, every setback and spare no effort to give aid and comfort to America's enemies. God, please give us a catastrophe. Every word and action is political with these people, everything has political implications and they want so desperately to get back into power politically that they were willing, did and still do commit treason to get there.

Those are the very best reasons leftists should never be elected to positions of authority in the United States. I'd rather vote for Daffy Duck than Kerry, Algore, Hillary, Feingold, Pelosi, Reid, Leahy, Durbin, Kennedy or any of the other "accidental Americans" infesting the United States.

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The sad truth is that these people have no allegiance to the United States. They consider themselves "citizens of the world". That's the reason they have no problem erasing US borders...

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002002.html

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AcousticGod
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posted May 23, 2006 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid, I hope your mind doesn't ever close as far as Jwhop's. These things you hold to be true are not factually true. Democrats don't celebrate deaths ever. Very simply Democrats are opponents of an militarily assertive foreign policy. That's all.

Democrats are the real adults. They want to come to solutions via civilized action (and anyone who says different is a homomongerant ). Democrats philosophy is to go to war only when it's unavoidable. They voted for it because the case was made that this was really our only course of action, and as it turned out Iraq wasn't really a threat to us or our allies. That's not to say that Saddam wasn't a threat to his people. He was... but that wasn't the reason we were given for going in. If it were, the political situation would probably be a lot different than it is now.

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pidaua
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posted May 23, 2006 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uh hum... and I should just "take your word" on that? That is the most absurd thing I have ever read!

Democrats are the most grown-up? Yeah, that's not a subjective statement is it?

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AcousticGod
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posted May 23, 2006 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop likes to try to assert that Republicans are the adults. I'm merely showing that as a matter of nature Democrats are far more likely to act as adults i.e. talk things out, come to a diplomatic solution.

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pidaua
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posted May 23, 2006 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, if jwhop sticks his tongue out and does the waggle dance will you do the same thing? Hee hee.... that would be kind of cute..

BUT... you both must wear tutus and sing I'm a little tea pot in between sticking out your tongue LOL

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Just what would be a US victory? It wouldnt be an Iraqi victory, though you are "liberating" the Iraqi people, right?.

Let me guess it is to divide the people of Iraq up and get them to kill each other. And while the Iraqis have either been displaced or are too busy fighting each other, the crooks plot ways and strategies to put in people who will serve their interest. Totally worth the well over 100,000 + Iraqi lives taken for their liberation.

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Mirandee
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posted May 24, 2006 12:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That pretty much sums up the Iraq war in a nutshell, DayDreamer It's a corporate war for corporate profit.

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posted May 24, 2006 01:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The only mistake the Democrats made was to trust Bush and his administration at their word. Little did they know at that time what liars and crooks and deceitful men they were. The Bush administration rushed that through a majority Republican Congress as fast they could. They did not even allow time for discussion by Congress. Even if all the Dems did not support the authorization by Congress it still would have passed because the Republicans have the majority.

At least they do until Nov. then they are all out of there and Bush will be sitting the rest of his term out on his hands. Lame Duck style.

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posted May 24, 2006 01:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG you are right. The Democrats on the whole believe that war should be the last recourse.

That's because most of the Democrats actually served their country in the war and know first hand what war is really like. Not the case with Bush or anyone in his administration. They are a bunch of chikenhawks who have watched one to many John Wayne movies.

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jwhop
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posted May 24, 2006 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leftist adults is an oxymoron. Using leftists in the same sentence with adults is moronic in itself.

If there's anything which sits leftists apart from the reasonable people in the US it's their childish whining, screeching and lying.

We expect that from 5 year old children who are all ego and emotion, who always want their own way. Those who have no discretion, no reason and are incapable of applying logic. When their wishes are thwarted, they act up...as we've all seen. They scream, whine, roll around on the floor, stamp their feet and hold their breath.

The difference between 5 year olds and leftists is that most 5 year olds grow out of their irrational illogic, grow out of their ego controlled emotional outbursts and reach the age of reason.

Leftists logic circuits are fused. Psychologically, they're the foot stamping, breath holding, screeching, whining, pants wetting, illogical, irrational 5 year olds who cannot be reasoned with and it's unlikely they ever will reach the age of reason.

An adult body does not an adult make. Fortunately, there are adults in control of the US government able to make logical and rational decisions, especially about foreign policy. The screeching, whining, pants wetting, breath holding, foot stamping, howling irrational leftists are ignored...as their parents should have ignored their attention seeking misbehavior and forced them to grow up...when they still could have.

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AcousticGod
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posted May 24, 2006 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good luck with that argument, Jwhop.

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pidaua
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posted May 24, 2006 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't say he needs luck.. the argument made sense and pretty much sums up what most of us on the other side think. Then again, it's like DayDreamer stating his belief of why we are in Iraq (basically like all his other theories - to kills as many Muslims as we can- because that is our obvious role in this world.. kill anyone Islamic at all).


It's comical that people here bring up my term "wacknut" as often as possible, yet I am sure I have heard us conservatives being called Warmonger, Homophobe, baby killers, etc.. more often that me calling someone on the left a wacknut.

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AcousticGod
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posted May 24, 2006 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I for one haven't used any of his 'buzzwords' on either of you, even despite the litany of names I've been called. This is part of the reason why it's tough for Jwhop to try to make the 'adult' argument. I don't need to list the behavior as we've all seen it.

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screeching, whining, pants wetting, illogical, irrational 5 year olds

Sounds like the conservative pundits on FoxNews if you ask me, and especially Ann Coulter one of Jwhop's favorites. I wouldn't employ Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, or O'Reilly to be an ambassador to any meeting where results are expected and solutions hammered out. These are the kinds of things adults do. If on the other hand you're interested in maintaining the status quo, not budging, and insulting all parties involved then by all means send a Republican.

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posted May 24, 2006 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Jwhop likes to try to assert that Republicans are the adults. I'm merely showing that as a matter of nature Democrats are far more likely to act as adults i.e. talk things out, come to a diplomatic solution......acoustic

A perfect example of the fused logic circuits of leftists...talk things out...come to a diplomatic solution.

The UN Security Council passed the Ceasefire Resolution 687 April 3, 1991 and Iraq/Saddam accepted the terms of the Ceasefire.

12 years later and 16 further UN Resolutions later, every additional resolution taking note of previous Resolutions and demanding Iraq live up to the Ceasefire Resolution 687 of April 3, 1991, Saddam still had not done so.

This is the kind of kiddie talk I referred to. Really kiddie lingo for leave Saddam alone and if you don't, we'll screech, whine, stamp our feet, hold our breath until we turn blue....which is exactly what the kiddies did and still are doing.

No amount of diplomatic talk, no talking things out were possible with Saddam who was still firing missiles at coalition planes in the no fly zone, still funding terrorists, holding high level meetings with al-Qaeda, sheltering wanted terrorists inside Iraq, still holding captured Kuwaiti citizens as prisoners inside Iraq, still murdering, torturing and raping Iraqi citizens and still evading and deceiving UN inspectors.

Now, the kiddies want to talk things out with the terrorists inside Iraq...they call these terrorists gunmen, insurgents and freedom fighters. They also want to include the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria.

More fused logic circuits and kiddie talk, this time by the traitor John Kerry. Let's see, we're to have reasonable talks with insane Islamic radical fundamentalist terrorists whose basic position is that they have the right to kill all infidels? Rational, logical talks with those who have declared war on the United States and western civilization? Those who have sent the President a letter, a demand letter to convert to Islam as a prelude to peace?

This doesn't even come close to passing the giggle test and yet here's a leftist and a traitor wanting to talk kiddie diplomatic talk to terrorists.

My depiction of leftists as arrested development psychological 5 year olds is accurate.

Then there are the others whose 2nd most favorite whine, screech and howl is Haliburton....all those profits off the Iraq contract. Being arrested development 5 year olds, they don't understand a thing about business and most of them would abolish business. The Haliburton contract in Iraq is a Cost Plus 2% contract....Cost + 2, not Cost times 2. There is not a company or corporation in the world which could stay in business on a steady diet of Cost + 2% contracts...not one. Discount stores shoot for a 50% markup to net 12 to 15%.

More 5 year old kiddie talk from leftists, as are every single one of their screeching talking points on issues.

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Well, Jwhop, it isn't the "leftist" who childishly call people names and label people. It's the Right that act like children on the playground in that respect.

Bush did it in the debates with Kerry. He couldn't think of an answer so he childishly stammered out, " He's a friend of the Kennedy's." :laughing" Yeah, and so, your point is?


Hahahahaha, Rainbow I love the one in the chair. About the way it is too.

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jwhop
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posted May 25, 2006 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirandee, the childish whining, wheezing and obvious lying fits you perfectly. It would be different if you could back up any of the allegations you and others make against Bush.

I've invited you to do repeatedly.

Hate is not a winning argument Mirandee. Nor does hate or hateful rhetoric get candidates elected or reelected.

There are no intellectually superior arguments on the left and none capable of making them. No ideas except hate, class warfare and envy. Nothing to plug into a political campaign.

Political cartoons don't win political arguments or political campaigns either.

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posted May 25, 2006 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, you're being a bit dramatic again.

There are plenty of intellectually superior arguments on the left, and plenty capable of making them.

Don't forget that people of the left are further educated,

quote:
Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group ­ 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education. http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=945

better informed,

quote:

Viewers of Jon Stewart’s show are more likely to have completed four years of college than people who watch “The O’Reilly Factor,” according to Nielsen Media Research.

Comedy Central also touted a recent study by the University of Pennsylvania’s National Annenberg Election Survey, which said young viewers of “The Daily Show” were more likely to answer questions about politics correctly than those who don’t.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6117542/


and fill the majority of educational

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A randomly based national survey of 1643 faculty members from 183 four-year colleges and universities finds that liberals and Democrats outnumber conservatives and Republicans by large margins, and the differences are not limited to elite universities or to the social sciences and humanities. A multivariate analysis finds that, even after taking into account the effects of professional accomplishment, along with many other individual characteristics, conservatives and Republicans teach at lower quality schools than do liberals and Democrats.
http://www.cmpa.com/documents/05.03.29.Forum.Survey.pdf

and scientific positions in the country.

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As in past America's Place in the World surveys, the sample of opinion leaders includes more Democrats than Republicans or independents. Perhaps not surprisingly, the biggest decline in Bush's approval rating since August 2001 has come among scientists and engineers – the most heavily Democratic group.
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=263

I know that you know all of this, so please don't try to insult us with your fallacies.

Furthermore, perhaps you ought to look into the studies on conservative psychology before you try to project conservative fears and weaknesses on your opponents:
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/block.pdf
http://www.sulloway.org/PoliticalConservatism(2003).pdf

You guys are fascinating, but far from superior or more mature.

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Oh, I back them up all the time, Jwhop but you always say it is a lying liberal source yet you always post things from a conservative source. So your point is?

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Hate is not a winning argument Mirandee. Nor does hate or hateful rhetoric get candidates elected or reelected

This coming from Mr. Hate himself.

You are always projecting the things you do onto me and others here, Jwhop. Frankly it gets real tiring and boring and you lose your credibility in the process.

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You guys are fascinating, but far from superior or more mature.

They are fascinating in a psychological way, AG. It's fascinating to me that they all say the same things, all have the very same arguments, and they all repeat Bush's mantras. You don't see the liberals doing that because to be liberal means you are a free thinker. You think for yourself rather than along partisan party lines. The reason that there is more arguing and disagreeing among the Democrats is because they don't always agree with everything the president says and does nor do they agree with everything that each other say and do. That is what makes them liberal. The ability to disagree but also the ability to listen to the views of everyone else. Liberals support open discussion in Congress and debate and they support negotiation as a means to settling the worlds problems rather than wars, except as a last resort, and they do not ever support a war without UN sanction or a pre-emptive war. Only tyrants and war lords behave that way.

The conservative Republicans talk about freedom of speech but they only mean their freedom of speech. They can't tolerate freedom of speech if someone disagrees with them. They talk about the Constitution but they interpret it to mean what they want it to mean rather than what it actually says. They talk about democracy but what they actually support is crony capitalism. And they cannot tolerate democracy in this country that allows for dissent and freedom of speech. In short they are hypocrites. Saying one thing and doing the opposite. Jwhop is a master of the latter.

In saying that I like the moderate Republicans in many cases. They are the sane, reasonable ones. Neo-conservatives are a boil on the butt of humanity.

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Our government needs to get the f&$# out of Iraq and mind there own damn business. That's what they need to do.

No one hired them as the world police.

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