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Topic: Hillary's Unwinnable Argument with Ann Coulter
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Isis
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posted June 09, 2006 08:40 PM
  
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I see the "Right" trying to shut the "Left" up...but havent seen much of it happening the other way around.
 <--- Absolute utter hysterical laughter. And that is why they're called opinions and not fact. The way I see it, it's totally the opposite. However from where I'm sitting, regardless of my "opinions", what seems most logical that it happens on both sides... I mean, we are after all talking about human nature, and it's not like "liberals" are automatically immune from being dumb@sses just by virture of being a liberal, anymore than "conservatives" are automatically immune from being dumb@sses because some view themselves as having some kind of moral authority. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted June 09, 2006 08:53 PM
Well Isis you've obviously got a bias...you're sitting on the "Right", right?I do agree with your logic..it's human nature... it does occur on both sides...but right now the "Right" is in power and the "Right" wants to hide the problems, and wants the "Left" to shut up. Some "Right" will even go as far as to using lies to justify their ends. And yes, some "Left" aren't immune from this either. IP: Logged |
Isis
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posted June 09, 2006 09:33 PM
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you've obviously got a bias...you're sitting on the "Right", right?
I clearly stated in my post that we're talking about opinions (yours being that the right wants to shut the left up and my opinion being that the left wants to shut up the right), not fact, and yes, humans are biased. Is that some kind of revelation to you, or was that just a random comment attempting to be indicting while stating the obvious? quote:
the "Right" is in power and the "Right" wants to hide the problems, and wants the "Left" to shut up. Some "Right" will even go as far as to using lies to justify their ends. And yes, some "Left" aren't immune from this either.
From 1992 - 2000, when the "Left" was in power (Bill Clinton) and the "Left" wants to hide the problems, and wants the "Right" to shut up, some "Lefties" will even go so far as using lies to justify their ends... But I doubt you or anyone with your left-leaning bias would admit that's the case. Cause when people who agree with you do messed up stuff (Bill Clinton lying under oath), it's either someone else's fault (the Republicans for asking him questions in the first place), or the ends justifies the means (lying is ok to protect yourself and your "accidental" exploition a young intern's awe of your position and office), or we just have to "understand" them (it was just a BJ, get over it - he's a serial cheater, it's an illness, he needs help). But when it's someone who disagrees with your ideology doing the messed up stuff, they're just bad horrible people who should be shamed and silenced.
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lotusheartone
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posted June 09, 2006 10:20 PM
Amen-Awoman..to that Isis!IP: Logged |
Petron
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posted June 09, 2006 10:33 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/09/D8I4T0DO0.html
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"(Liberals) are always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. ... Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment," Coulter said during an Oct. 21, 2005, speech at the University of Florida.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001027.html
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writesomething
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posted June 09, 2006 10:34 PM
Ann Coulter reminds me of Michael Moore...she doesnt help the right wing, if you want people to listen, and sway them on your side, you have to be calm, collected, and have your facts...she just runs around like a chicken with her head cut off, yelling at people, saying we should convert muslims, etc is not helping her "cause". I dont like Moore for the reasons I dont like Coulter...they have a way of rubbing me the wrong way... You can say "its not about trying to please people" but what shes trying to do is open people's eyes, correct? to do that, you cant make people think youre a lunatic, you have to be able to reach out to right, & left wing. pointing fingers to the wives, was because theyre obviously extremely liberal minded, and supported kerry...
its disgusting....im disgusted with her statements, period...she needs to find boundary line to the stuff she says....really now... ------------------
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DayDreamer
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posted June 09, 2006 11:33 PM
Isis, Ok you spoke of your opinion. But mine wasn't an opinion. It was an observation, and yes a generalization. Im glad you agree humans are biased and also see it as obvious  Some people think that their thinking is absolutely correct, have no biases whatsoever, and that everyone should ascribe to them. My problem with the Right is that they are not critical of their Right run government...well at least Ive never seen that. They don't seem to see any fault in their gov'ts leadership and decisions...is complete and utter respect for the Republican president and admin no matter how many crimes they commit or blunders they make indoctrinated in the Right religion somewhere? IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 09, 2006 11:47 PM
From the outer edge, looking in - both sides are overly critical of each other, and overly forgiving of themselves. Such is the human ego. But, the Liberals seem like they're grasping at straws and making crazy *$hit up all the time. I don't even care, but I see through them like a screen door in a rainstorm, and frankly, their logic annoys me. Sometimes valid points are being raised, but most of the time, well frankly, it's koo-koo. The koo-koo stuff cancels out the valid stuff to me. That's unfortunate. PS: Did I mention - I don't even care? I don't particularly love George Bush, nor do I dislike Liberalism - Just callin it as I see it. PS: I DO support the war on terror - and am happy about 2 great victories in the past week. The Canada bust, and the death of that Al Quieda leader in Iraq. Do you people realize that you are marked for death? That is not the Liberals or the Conservatives fault. It is YOUR fault - because you are not a child of ALLAH. You are an infidel. GET IT???? DO YOU???? Do you think Al Quieda will spare you because you're a democrat, or a republican??? Or, even if you are sympathetic to their cause? They don't give a ratz azz what your political bent is. It's time we realized who the real enemy is. His name is evil - he is everywhere, and his calling card is hate and intolerence. When he organizes in groups, he is very powerful.
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DayDreamer
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posted June 10, 2006 12:06 AM
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But, the Liberals seem like they're grasping at straws and making crazy *$hit up all the time. I don't even care, but I see through them like a screen door in a rainstorm, and frankly, their logic annoys me. Sometimes valid points are being raised, but most of the time, well frankly, it's koo-koo. The koo-koo stuff cancels out the valid stuff to me. That's unfortunate
Yeah ive seen Liberals make up sh!t. Koo-koo stuff cancels out the valid stuff?  Not good you harbour such resentment over some koo-koo stuff that you would reject the truth when it is shown. How come Conservative lies don't cancel out some of their truths? Im Canadian too, but I dont support the wars. I dont know if what happened in the last two week could be considered "victories"...more like they were bound to happen. And They should have never happened to begin with. These "wars on terror" seem to only be increasing the likelihood of global terrorism, and I feel it's upsetting that people fail to see that. quote:
It is YOUR fault - because you are not a child of ALLAH. You are an infidel. GET IT???? DO YOU????
I'm also a Muslim, and a devout one  People who talk like this worry me. Im not denying there are crazy people who believe that, but this type of logic is spreading like wild fire..not only among some non-Muslims shaking in their boots turning to hate and intolerance, but also some Muslims who are angry, turning to hate and also wanting revenge. War breeds war is all I can say. Not saying it's right...Just saying fighting is never one sided...it takes at least two parties. If it only involves one then thats an abuse. Really though...America has more sophisticated weaponary, technology and equipment than anyone in the world...heck they drop bombs on the weapons and facilities of those countries they dont like. They have enough to go to war with China, Russia, India and all the middle east at the same time. And what are they doing in the Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Bombing day in and day out, for our freedom and protection??? No! This is only breeding hate and more terrorism...why do I sound like a broken record? This is not going to end with war and bombs. Agree...
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His name is evil - he is everywhere, and his calling card is hate and intolerence. When he organizes in groups, he is very powerful.
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lioneye68
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posted June 10, 2006 12:21 AM
I know that Muslims are getting a bad rap here. I regret that deeply. When I was little, one of my favorite freinds in the neighborhood, her name was Indra Boodram, and she was a great friend to me. (Indra, if you're out there...Hello Think: Delores & rubarb earings ) Her family was kind, and freindly, and always trying to feed me and make me laugh. I had a crush on her older brother, Sheraz (don't know if I'm spelling any of these names right - sorry) You know these are not the people behind this, nor are they the people who I'm speaking of.
WE are all in this fight against evil together. It's a global problem. I don't pretend to know he answers. It's just so sad, and so terrifying. We don't know who hates us for not believing what they believe, or who wants to kill us just as soon as look at us. They come in all shapes and sizes, but the scariest ones, lately - call themselves "muslim" (in their case, not even worthy of a capital m)IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 10, 2006 12:30 AM
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Koo-koo stuff cancels out the valid stuff? Not good you harbour such resentment over some koo-koo stuff that you would reject the truth when it is shown. How come Conservative lies don't cancel out some of their truths?
Yeah, you're right - that's silly, and I mispoke. I mean, the source's credibility comes into doubt for me. And I thank you for prompting me to clarify my thoughts better. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted June 10, 2006 12:47 AM
Regarding... quote:
WE are all in this fight against evil together. It's a global problem. I don't pretend to know he answers. It's just so sad, and so terrifying. We don't know who hates us for not believing what they believe, or who wants to kill us just as soon as look at us. They come in all shapes and sizes, but the scariest ones, lately - call themselves "muslim" (in their case, not even worthy of a capital m)
Yes it's scary...our lives are not safe and comfortable as they should be. The scariest ones were home grown, either born or raised here. How do they get to that mentality living here? Dont think people think about the plight and suffering of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Darfur, and soo many other nations right now where war, bombing and terror are an everyday occurrence. People find it acceptable to bomb and destroy 100 or so innocents to get to 1 terrorist...as long as its over there in those far off second or third world countries...just not here...for our protection and freedom. Now that's blatant hipocracy. What do you think is the best solution? Do you really think these "wars on terror" are working? IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 10, 2006 01:15 AM
Yes, you raise a good point. This is not happening on OUR home turf, at least not now. For now, it's all happening thousands of miles from home. But, it IS somebody else's home turf. People, of all ages & walks of life. Plumbers & carpenters & Mother's & 3 year olds - all caught in the cross-fire. Our men & women are there too, though. And they are being killed & mamed daily as well. But, at least they are in it willingly. I don't know what a better solution would be. Wait for them to come here? They already struck here, and it's not our style to sit passively and wait for it to happen again. I suppose if an enemy wanted to invade and fight a war here, they would certainly do so. We have to be prepared for that possibility. Certainly they will do that as soon as the ability is there. The aim is to prevent that. I'm grateful for that, but not resting easy. It seems whatever happens with the U.S, happens with Canada eventually too. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted June 10, 2006 01:32 AM
"They"...why is it so hard to define and pin point who "they" are, where "they" come from, and how "they" come to being "they""They" struck here, but then who got attacked and invaded? A few poison minded men commited the 9/11 attacks, under an ill defined group named Al-Qaeda. Yet two whole countries, and soon to be a third, have turned into war zones for it? The people of these countries must face the wrath that these few ill men started? If "they" hit again what are we going to do next? What about the "they" that were born and raised here? Are we going to find another country to target? I dont know what the best solution is either...but Im certain these wars are not it. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 10, 2006 01:49 AM
The countries that were targeted, were targeted because their governments were knowingly harboring "them" - and you know who "they" are. If you can think of a better solution, I'd like to hear it. Doing nothing at all is not an option. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted June 10, 2006 02:11 AM
Iraq and Afghanistan were harbouring them...And other Muslim majority countries are not? Why arent we invading and attacking these other ones as well? Iraq wasnt attacked because they were harbouring terrorists. Do people realize the troops presense is only increasing resentment is those countries?Sure I know who "they" are after "they" get caught. Who knows I could be a "they" and am probably being spyed on. Hi! Yeah, doing nothing isnt an option. But these wars spell an even more unstable future. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 10, 2006 02:37 AM
Well, I guess we're damned if we do and damned if we don't then, wouldn't you say?*gets back on the fence & gets comfy* IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted June 10, 2006 03:13 AM
Who knows...All I see is war, suffering and destruction. It seems like things are getting worse, and it's never ending...wars used to end once upon a time, or at least somebody had to retreat to recuprate and restrategize, or someone was defeated.I cant see how things are going to get better. Dont know who doesnt feel the drum roll to another war coming near. *way past bedtime, so looks for bed* IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted June 10, 2006 04:03 AM
Nice discussion DayDreamer and Lioneye. 
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AcousticGod
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posted June 10, 2006 04:10 AM
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"(Liberals) are always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. ... Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment," Coulter said during an Oct. 21, 2005, speech at the University of Florida.
Interesting find, Petron. I was just about to make this case a little more clear, but looks like you found the admission. I was going to point out that logically Ann wouldn't be after these women if these women were becoming celebrities by bashing Clinton. She wouldn't have gone near them, and if anyone on the left were to say anything bad about them she'd defend them as widows and as victims of Clinton. IP: Logged |
Isis
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From: Brisbane, Australia
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posted June 10, 2006 06:10 PM
She's being facetious...about not being a fan of the first amendment. Just an FYI. I believe the point was that if liberals think they're being silenced currently, they should see what really being silenced is, then maybe they would get a clue. You know, kinda like how some children will go on about how hard their life is, until they have to move out, get a job, pay bills, etc, or they go visit a 3rd world country and realize what really truly having a hard life is. IP: Logged |
Venusian Love
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posted June 10, 2006 11:57 PM
Anyone who supports war is a f*ckin retard..period.IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted June 11, 2006 12:19 AM
Ann Coulter is a no talent skank. She has the intellectual capability of an amoeba. She might be good at writing a gossip column that does not need facts to back it up but that is what her talent is limited to. quote:
Well, by now you've noticed, though leftists deign to never notice that Ann Coulter is never attacked on the truth of what she says. No, no, no. What she says about the left is undeniable so, Coulter must be attacked on some other basis.
Do you mean sort of like you are constantly doing to Hillary Clinton, Jwhop? Or any other "leftist liberal?" IP: Logged |
Isis
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posted June 11, 2006 03:00 AM
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She has the intellectual capability of an amoeba.
I hate to say it, but her intellectual capacity probably puts yours and mine to shame Mirandee. Don't hate the playa, hate the game. IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted June 11, 2006 10:43 AM
Anyone who says they are not in favor of the Constitutional amendment of freedom of speech lacks intelligence, Isis. I have seen Ann Coulter many times on Bill Moyer's "Real Time" show on HBO. She never has anything intelligent to add to the conversation. Mostly all she does is discredit anyone who has an opposing view to hers. Just like the good little neo-con she is. Actually when Ann Coulter states that she is not a big fan of freedom of speech, like all Republican neo-cons she is NOT talking about HER freedom to spout her hate and divisional garbage. She is speaking about silencing anyone who dissents and disagrees with her and the neo-con philosophy. She is actually speaking out in favor of her fascist ideology and elitism. I don't HATE anyone, Isis. I don't hate Ann Coulter. I hate what she represents in a democracy. I hate the sin, not the sinner so to speak. I would never throw a pie at her and if the liberals were as bad as she makes them out to be they would have thrown something much worse at her than a pie. IP: Logged | |
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