posted June 14, 2006 02:15 PM              

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again, what is it about 9.11 that they're lying about? and how is it that these lies get them more money?

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any chance you can answer this?

posted June 14, 2006 02:22 PM              

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Oh, but it was perfectly okay for Bush to have the spotlight on one of the wives of the plane that went down in PA in his audience during his speech and have her stand up for an ovation. Perfectly okay for him to use the widow of 9/11 to win votes. It's perfectly okay for Bush to have tons of photo ops with the WTC in the background to promote his agendas. It's perfectly okay for Ann Coulter to use the widows and deaths to promote herself and her book. The Republicans have done nothing but promote 9/11 and Jwhop has the nerve to get upset because Kerry does it too? What hypocrisy!!!!

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brilliantly said Mirandee...the public promotion of 9.11 by the administration that orchestrated it is shameless and criminal...of course, it's all part of their plan for initiating it in the first place.

posted June 14, 2006 02:28 PM              

Love and Respect for ALL. ...

posted June 14, 2006 02:44 PM              

and who are you to judge what is or isn't 'true'?

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Salome..what you did was wrong..you lied..plain and simple..just like them..

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this statements holds several fallacies...because i deem that to be true, does that then render your words lies? from my perspective, i would say yes, according to your criteria.

posted June 14, 2006 03:24 PM              

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Petron,

I love how honorable you are...

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me too.

what a dreary place this would be without the illustrious, beautiful and illuminated Petron.

posted June 14, 2006 04:14 PM            

The short version...Bush was responsible for 9/11

Bush could have prevented later planes from striking the other WTC Tower and the Pentagon....but Bush was too busy reading to the kiddies in a Florida classroom.

Rice didn't give Bush information which would have stopped 9/11

The Afghanistan war against the Taliban was all about putting US forces into Afghanistan to protect the drug trade and the Caspian Sea Pipeline

The Air Force was derelict in their duty in not stopping the 9/11 attack

NORAD ignored the hijacked civilian airplanes and let them carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Little effort was made to save the victims in the WTC

The NY Port Authority was partly responsible for not responding properly to 9/11

Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice and other administration officials were responsible for letting bin Laden escape from Afghanistan.

Now, who don't the 4 wretches from New Jersey blame for 9/11?

Not the terrorists who attacked the United States

Not the one person in America, a person on the 9/11 Commission who bears the utmost responsibility..Jamie Goerlick. Jamie Goerlick who as Deputy Attorney General authored the infamous memo which prevented the FBI from talking to intelligence services about what they knew and also prevented intelligence services from telling the FBI or any other law enforcement agency what they knew.

Not Bill Clinton who hired Jamie Goerlick and approved her wall of separation between law enforcement and intelligence services.

Not Bill Clinton on whose watch the 9/11 attack was hatched in 1998.

Not Bill Clinton who ignored the Airline Safety and Security Report he himself commissioned...commonly known as the Gore Report which was finalized in 1997...about 4 years before the attack. The same Bill Clinton who did absolutely nothing to implement the findings of the Gore Report which included recommendations for passenger screenings AND strengthening cockpit doors in civilian aircraft to prevent hijackings.

Not Bill Clinton who refused to accept custody of bin Laden and his entire cadre of top al-Qaeda planners and group leaders...along with their computers, their notebooks, their papers, their membership lists and their telephone numbers. Sudan made 3 separate efforts to turn bin Laden and all the aforementioned over to the United States starting in about 1997 and Clinton Refused.

Not Bill Clinton who stood by with his finger up his ass while the United States was being attacked from 1993 on mostly by al-Qaeda and in fact, bin Laden was an unindicted coconspirator named in the 1993 WTC attack.

Not Bill Clinton who reduced the size of the US military by 40% during his administration and reduced the budget of the CIA at a time when the US was under attack at home and abroad.

Not Bill Clinton who closed air bases and Air National Guard bases, some in the East and one in particular in New Jersey which...had it been manned and part of the air cap over the area would have had pilots and aircraft with which to intercept the aircraft used in the attack.

Now, the 9/11 Commission AND 2 other independent Commissions investigating 9/11...what happened, how did it happen, who did what, who said what...through direct testimony, declassified secret documents and direct questioning of members of the Bush Administration, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA and others. The finding of the various Commissions did not find ANY of the charges of the 4 wretches from New Jersey to have any merit...though their allegations were not directly addressed in the written report...they were used to frame questions the Commissioners put to witnesses.

Even though the 9/11 Commission Report was released on July 22, 2004....and the 4 wretches from New Jersey were kept fully informed of the findings, testimony and documents by Committee members well before the report was released to the public; these lying airhead twits went on tours with John Kerry and campaigned with him all across America during the summer before the 2004 election AND these politically motivated liars kept making the same charges...those charges which the 9/11 Commission Report refuted...that Bush was responsible for 9/11.

Now, I sure as hell hope that answers your questions about the 4 lying wretches from New Jersey.

posted June 14, 2006 04:30 PM              

therefore, my belief in them relieves them of the status of 'liar'. i say that they are speaking truth.

and if one chooses to disagree with me, am i lying? shall we discuss the ontology of my existence vs. those who disagree with me? whose existence is more superior in the celestial realm of mother and father and the nebulous world 'within', to which you and lotus have omniscient access, but that the rest of us do not?

and again, in what way have these truths garnered more money for the widows?

posted June 14, 2006 04:50 PM              

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Now, I sure as hell hope that answers your questions about the 4 lying wretches from New Jersey.

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nice?

about women who lost their entire worlds in this administration's power play?

slandering, insulting and demeaning the widows because they sit on a different side of an imaginary political fence?

nice?

posted June 14, 2006 05:00 PM              

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these lying airhead twits went on tours with John Kerry and campaigned with him all across America during the summer before the 2004 election AND these politically motivated liars kept making the same charges...

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really, there's nothing nice whatsoever in this diatribe.

i commend them for using their tragedy in a constructive fashion...for transforming their grief into a the very necessary effort of ensuring that such power-hungry madmen never will be allowed to murder and destroy a significant portion of humanity and civilization ever again.

posted June 14, 2006 05:03 PM            

Enjoy your psychotic delusion and when that one gets stale for you, just ask and I'll give you some other heads-up-their-@sses delusions of the left.

In the mean time, Coulter has it exactly right, she has the lefts number, has them salivating on demand...which is every time she exposes leftist hypocrisy, leftist treason, leftist corruption, leftist lies, the intellectual inability of leftists to think and leftist insanity.

posted June 14, 2006 05:14 PM              

i suppose those with vested monetary interests in covering up the reality of 9.11 will always resort to the lowest, most vile form of subterfuge.

posted June 14, 2006 05:22 PM              

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You dont see any of the widows of Soldiers that have died defending our country against terrorism complaining about how much they received. Come on now isnt $1.6 million is a little ridiculous? What makes their life any more valuable than mine?

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oh, mr. leo, pidaua is very lucky to be with someone like you. she's very pretty and fiery, isn't she?

and well, i agree with you....i believe your life just as valuable...i believe that once you and pidaua marry, that she very well should be eligible for the same compensation as the 9.11 widows, should the unfortunate situation, goddess forbid, ever occur. she would deserve it.

posted June 14, 2006 05:23 PM            

This is the ONLY metaphysical site I've come across where that doesn't occur on a wholesale basis, and that is IMO only because of yourself, Pid, Lioneye, Tink and others who stand firm against many of those here that would love to shut up those who disagree with them (I include people like Tink because while they may not be conservatives, they don't come across as wanting to shut up the opposition).

posted June 14, 2006 05:27 PM              

i agree with you...it would be a sad day that would find any of your esteemed list of earth-dwelling stalwarts here silenced by anyone.

they are valuable and delightful and i always enjoy having the benefit of their perspective.

posted June 14, 2006 05:33 PM            

jwhop, isis - yes we are lucky in that we can be on one of the few metaphysical sites that won't shut up the opposition, but I would say "not for a lack of trying".

Randall is very open and is against censorship in most fashions (with the exception of below the belt tactics such as race, gender etc...) He is also a bit on the conservative side from what I remember. He wants all views to be represented and works hard to keep that going.

Sadly enough, if it was NOT for him and his values, there are many lefties here (and we know them) that would ban the Conservatives in a heartbeat. Yet, I am confident that we wouldn't do the same, with the exception of the guttersnipe because she is just rude.

posted June 14, 2006 05:47 PM            

I think there are a few here who would just love for us to go away so that their views could stand unchallenged. Fortunately that's not the majority. While we are still in the minority for sure, there are enough people in the middle to keep it somewhat anchored.

posted June 14, 2006 06:42 PM            

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well i believe them...and i don't think they're the first ones to submit these truths.therefore, my belief in them relieves them of the status of 'liar'. i say that they are speaking truth....salome

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OK salome, you haven't offered any reason for believing the quartet from Jersey are right...that 9/11 was the fault of George W. Bush.

So, what are your reasons for thinking so?

Nice to meet you too Bear

The left is always whining someone is trying to suppress their speech, to shut them up; when in reality, the best course of action for conservatives is to make sure they get as much camera time as possible to make their absurd charges and simply refute them.

In the case of Ann Coulter and other conservatives, the left always attempts to shut them up, to talk over them in interviews or to conduct a group shriek in outrage over a conservative who has refuted a leftists absurdity.

The very same thing which has happened here....every time an Ann Coulter article is posted

The left would have everyone believe people are so outraged over Coulters comments and books that she's turning everyone off. I guess that's the reason her new book is #1 on Amazon.com and if not at the top of the NY Times best seller list, it's very close to it.

posted June 14, 2006 06:48 PM            

"<edit> actually come to think of it, on this particular forum I think it is majority that would like us to go away."

LOL.. isn't that the truth? I especially love what jwhop has pointed out, many time opinions are offered up as facts, but when you challenge those facts another argument (usually have nothing to do with the task at hand) ensues and then degrades into some awful hate fest LOL...

The other option (or tactic) used by the left is to just throw out insults "You're ugly, you look fat, um.. yeah, you're just stupid and a hick". Real intelligent I might add.

posted June 14, 2006 06:49 PM            

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The question here is why should these widows get more money than any other person that dies working in or fighting for our country that has a life insurance plan? The Soldiers in the military only get $350,000 for life insurance and that is only if the military deems that you werent at fault. You dont see any of the widows of Soldiers that have died defending our country against terrorism complaining about how much they received. Come on now isnt $1.6 million is a little ridiculous? What makes their life any more valuable than mine? Riddle me this.

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posted June 14, 2006 06:53 PM            

Party of rapist proud to be godless
Posted: June 14, 2006
6:33 p.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

Ann Coulter

I thought I'd put off that column on ethanol subsidies I'd been planning to write this week and instead address the topic that has so riveted the nation – the hot new book "Godless: The Church of Liberalism."

First of all, I'm getting a little fed up with people trying to make money off my book. Worthless little cable TV shows with teeny-tiny audiences, ridiculous legislators and tabloid newspapers are all trying to make a name for themselves off the profundity of "Godless."

Second, let's pause for a moment to observe that two facts are now universally accepted: Liberals are godless and Hillary's husband is a rapist.

My book makes a stark assertion: Liberalism is a godless religion. Hello! Anyone there? I've leapt beyond calling you traitors and am now calling you GODLESS. Apparently, everybody's cool with that. The fact that liberals are godless is not even a controversial point anymore.

In addition to the consensus position that liberals are godless, no one has made a peep about that swipe I took at Hillary, proposing that she have a chat with her husband before accusing others of being "mean" to women in light of Juanita Broaddrick's charge that Bill Clinton raped her. Hillary beat a hasty retreat on her chubby little legs and is now hiding behind Rahm "Don't Touch My Tutu" Emanuel.

Yes, the Democrats' pit bull, Rahm Emanuel, is a former ballerina. And they wonder why the concerted effort of the MSM (as we call the mainstream media) and the Democratic Party can't lay a finger on me. A ballerina. Hey, if the padded, silky shoe fits ...

The establishment's current obsession with me is the MSM's last stand. They've deployed the whole lineup of yesterday's power brokers against me, and all they've accomplished is to make my book the No. 1 book in the country. In other words, their efforts to defeat me have just created more people like me. Now who's stuck in an unwinnable quagmire, losers?

Take note, conservatives: No American need ever fear the liberal establishment again. It's all over but the sobbing.

Back when there were only three TV stations and no Internet, talk radio or Fox News, it used to be so easy for the MSM to destroy reputations – Joe McCarthy, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Robert Bork, Dan Quayle, Oliver North, Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, Paula Jones and Linda Tripp, to name a few of the MSM's prey.

Liberals aren't having so much fun now that the rabbit has the gun.

Last Wednesday, Brian Williams began the "NBC Nightly News" – currently watched exclusively by old ladies in nursing homes – with a report on "civility" in America, which has apparently been horribly despoiled by my book. Williams complained that the "explosion in our media, our deafening national noise level and our changing mores have made this a much different era in America than the one our parents grew up in."

Oh, the civility of having only three TV stations back in our parents' day! It was even more civil in the Soviet Union where there was only one TV station.

In precisely five minutes on the Media Research Center's website, I turned up some random examples of the sort of civility we got from the MSM before the alternative media allowed conservatives to be heard, too. These are all-new quotes I've never even seen before. There are about a hundred more in my book "Slander."

– On Ronald Reagan: "I predict historians are going to be totally baffled by how the American people fell in love with this man (Ronald Reagan) and followed him the way we did."– CBS News White House reporter Lesley Stahl on NBC's "Later With Bob Costas," Jan. 11, 1989

– On Pat Buchanan: "On the road I travel to the mall in Wheaton, Md., two white men severely beat two black women Tuesday. One was doused with lighter fluid, and her attacker tried to set her afire. Both men cursed the women for being black. I couldn't help but shudder: That could have been me. This heinous act happened only hours after Pat Buchanan voters gave him 30 percent of the vote in the Maryland GOP presidential primary." – USA Today columnist and former "Inquiry" page editor Barbara Reynolds, March 6, 1992

– On Lee Atwater: "(Lee Atwater) was a scoundrel, one of the darkest figures to dominate our recent politics, a man with a comprehensively cynical view of his fellow creatures. ... He made it in the most improbable way, learning to dress at Brooks Brothers and keep his funky white trash wickedness too. ... In running campaigns that played on racial divisions, he was something worse than a bigot; he was a man who pretended to be a bigot in hope that it would sell." – Washington Post op-ed by reporter Marjorie Williams, March 30, 1991

– On Newt Gingrich: "So how do you put an end to what Jim Wright called 'mindless cannibalism'? Do you put a muzzle on Newt Gingrich?" – "CBS This Morning" co-host Kathleen Sullivan, June 1, 1989