posted June 14, 2006 06:56 PM              

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I don't see this argument as rude or personally demeaning to the widows.

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posted June 14, 2006 09:34 PM              

Jwhop, Pidaua, Bear the Leo, Lioneye, Isis..thanks for all your input..and Truth. ...

I have High Hopes..we work all this out..and Re-Verse the Poles..and bring balance back to Earth..

Pax et Bonum..

posted June 14, 2006 10:10 PM            

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hi Jwhop...the evidence seems overwhelming to me...there exist several threads here presenting this. perhaps i'll go in search of them soon. thanks for asking...salome

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Salome, I didn't ask you to PROVE a thing. I asked you why YOU think Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attack on the United States.

Since you made the statement, surely, you must already know why YOU think so.

posted June 14, 2006 10:27 PM              

there are quite a few threads here in GU containing the factors i considered in coming to the conclusions i reached.

perhaps i'll go in search of them sometime soon in order to give you more specfic answers.

posted June 15, 2006 12:52 PM            

What was supposed to be fireworks between Carlin and Coulter fizzled when Carlin had nothing at all to say except..."I'm going to have to move to the right"

Face it leftists; whenever leftist ideas and principles come up against conservative ideas and principles, leftists lose. The broad public is not with leftists. They think leftists are the whining juvenile kooks conservatives have always known leftists are.

There is a moral to this story, in fact to all the failed stories of leftists.

Don't start a group shriek before you do an opinion poll. If you follow this advice, there will be a lot less group shrieks.

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:28 a.m. EDT
Ann Coulter Wows Leno Audience

Liberals may hate Ann Coulter, but the folks in the audience of Jay Leno’s "Tonight Show” roared their approval of the controversial author when she was introduced on Wednesday night.

Asked by Leno to explain all the controversy surrounding her No. 1 bestselling book "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," Coulter said: "Well, I wrote a book and liberals were hysterical. Every time I write a book liberals are hysterical. It happens all the time.”

Noting that Leno had joked about her the night before, saying that like the Wicked Witch in "The Wizard of Oz” she had a house fall on her as a result of her book, Ann countered: "I just dropped my house on the mainstream media.” The audience cheered.

Ann explained that before the book came out she gave it to her friends, including liberals, and not one of them complained about her remarks about the so-called Jersey Girls.

"Not my friends, not my editors, not the lawyers and not the liberals, pulled out the chapter on the Jersey Girls,” she said. Coulter has drawn fire from some – including Hillary Clinton – for attacking the four New Jersey widows who pushed for an independent commission to investigate the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks that killed their husbands. Coulter accused the women of "reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis.”

Commenting on Leno’s complaint that political discourse nowadays is so nasty, Coulter said: "We hear this all the time, about how civil things were back when there were only three TV stations” and nobody could talk back to the liberals.

Now, she said, there has suddenly been an alleged "disruption of civility” only because conservatives can talk back thanks to talk radio, the Internet and Fox News.

Asked if she is hurt by liberal attacks on her, Coulter said she wears them "as a badge of honor.” She added that she was surprised that liberals have failed to object to being called "Godless,” and have concentrated their fire on one small part of one chapter, when she criticized the Jersey Girls.

The much anticipated fireworks between Coulter and acid-tongued comedian George Carlin never came off, with Carlin sitting beside Ann smiling and saying nothing throughout her conversation with Leno except to note that he had to "move to the right” to allow Ann to sit beside her host.

During her 8 1/2 minutes on stage, Ann was interrupted by vigorous applause time and again.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/15/103405.shtml?s=ic

posted June 15, 2006 01:04 PM              

I Love Ann..yeh..they never complained about Godless..

posted June 15, 2006 01:28 PM            

Nice one jwhop LOL...

I wonder how that will actually translate to those on this board. Do they realize that mainstream America is sick and tired of the liberal left telling us how we should live, who we should believe and what we should be thinking?

I wonder what their answer is to how Carlin responded to Coulter and how the audience cheered her? Will they say it's because the audience was filled with Conservatives in order to make it "look" like they were supporting Ann? LMAO... I am sure another conspiracy theory thread will develop based on that.

Salome,

I have to say, that I hope I never have to deal with a payout due to Bear's death. I would rather be poor and have him with me until we are old in wheelcheers sharing space at the Sunshine retirement home, than have money without him.

The crux of this issue, is WHY (and no one has really answered this) is it fair that the pilots that went down in 9-11 are worth more than the TWA terrorist bombing? Why are the firefighters worth more because they died during 9-11 and not for any routine fire? Why did the Jersey women feel compelled to make OUR government spend more that 1.6 MIllion to compensate survivors when the GOVERNMENT did not attack us? How about survivors of USS Cole, the Barracks, the first WTC attack? If they were Soldier their spouses only received the max insurance at that time- YET- these Jersey witches are using their money and influence to promote their political agenda.

THAT is what leaves a bitter taste in most American's mouths- with the exception of a few that would also use this to fuel their hate for the Bush Administration.

I also find it sickening that people would rather believe that the Bush Admin CAUSED 9-11 (for what ungodly reason only THEY seem to know) yet they cannot fathom terrorists that HATE our country would be bold enough to do this. In other words, taking the word of a lying terrorist nation verses the word of our own government.

But I have YET to see one of the fanatical, liberal Bush haters here even attribute any blame to the Clinton Administration when jwhop has detailed "facts" concerning Clinton cutting of the Military, creating the wall between law enforcement and intelligence and so on.

Where is the conspiracy there? Hell, Clinton was in bed with China and Russia, maybe HE and his little buddies conspired with those big countries along with the terrorists in order to pull off this evil caper and somehow work his Wife into office.

Hmmm.. sounds far fetched right? Well, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than blaming Bush for not responding or stopping the attacks because he was reading to children. Was he supposed to push the Nuke button? Maybe he could have used his "Go Go Gadget" arm to stretch across the Eastern Seaboard and "catch" the planes.

Hell, maybe he could have enlisted his superhero friend Storm to stop Katrina - since according to the mouth-breathers here, he is also responsible for that.

LMAO..

posted June 15, 2006 05:38 PM            

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I wonder how that will actually translate to those on this board. Do they realize that mainstream America is sick and tired of the liberal left telling us how we should live, who we should believe and what we should be thinking?

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I personally realize that hardcore Republicans who would post on a debate board would be inclined to believe that. I also believe that a good portion of the middle probably actually sides with the Right. I am aware of the stigma attached to Liberals due to our more activist and hippy members, but I also realize that there's a super educated wing of Liberals that people don't hear much from. I understand that Republican dominance is not a matter of better ideas or policy, but rather linguistics (reframing every bit of information in way that the simple public will believe without looking into). I know that the Republican communications network is larger and more effective. I know that the right must employ it's own scientists in political scientific matters, because otherwise there's a danger of hurting some business.

I don't believe mainstream America is upset with the left telling you how to live, who you should believe, or what you should be thinking. The only people who would hear these kind of ideas are those interested in politics enough to join boards like this one. Most people, and by that I mean mainstream America, don't care enough about politics to get involved in political debate. As such they're not being counseled by anyone except their neighbors whose sense probably seems reasonable to them. With no one challenging how they think, they stick to what they know.

This line about telling you how to live, who you should believe, or what you should be thinking does sound an awful lot like FoxNews and FoxNews programs. CNN may be side with the left, but at least they'll allow the Right to be fully represented. Not so on Fox. On Fox, you've got Combes, who's definitely one of the ugliest pundits I've ever seen, and even when the Left tries to represent Hannity ends up talking over them. In their other shows they may allow the occasional Democrat to speak, but it's always followed up by a dismissive remark. If you want to talk about aggressively pursuing affecting a person's mindset, you need look no further than the Right.

posted June 15, 2006 05:58 PM              

This make-believe left right competition seems so childish to me. Who cares if she got an applause...are the Right winning now? Whoopiedeedooda.

posted June 16, 2006 01:55 PM            

Maybe it's also because you insinuate yourself in our politics, make statements yet all the while you loathe this country?

posted June 16, 2006 02:16 PM              

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I have to say, that I hope I never have to deal with a payout due to Bear's death. I would rather be poor and have him with me until we are old in wheelcheers sharing space at the Sunshine retirement home, than have money without him.

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i'm positive that every 9.11 widow suffers acutely with similar sentiments every day.

i agree, clinton is complicit in his own way as well.

posted June 16, 2006 02:58 PM            

If you look at the last presidential race's actual numbers, you'll realize that voting Democrats aren't so few that they can be ignored or made to look insignificant. You can also look at the Pew Report I've referenced a few times, which states clearly that liberals are the largest self-identified group in the country. That report also states (as I did) that a large portion of the independents vote conservative. Lots of conservative independents reserve the right to change their minds. They don't want to be put in a box. That report also talks about education levels. In other Pew reports we hear about scientists and think tank members being dominantly liberal.

With regard to science, you can look at our threads on global warming/climate change. It's clear that there's two groups looking to make an impact politically. One is doing so in the name of caution, and the other is doing so in the name of preventing the other group from making progress. It doesn't benefit a Democrat for people to pay attention to climate change. It does, however, benefit a Republican to quash talk on climate change.

posted June 16, 2006 04:53 PM              

Well I guess her and Pidua have something in common

posted June 16, 2006 05:23 PM            

acoustic, if leftists are so intelligent and possess superior educations, why can't leftists put together winning political campaigns?

Should be simple to pull the wool over the eyes of the less educated, less intellectually astute if your proposition has any merit.

Yet, the flagship of leftist thought, the NY Times, the self proclaimed bastion of intellectual elitism can't muster more than 36% of leftists who even believe them.

Worse for these intellectual elites, only 21% of those polled believe all or even most of what they print...across all party lines.

Perhaps someone will believe you acoustic...when those you describe as better educated and intellectually superior actually win a national election..or manage to put together a majority in Congress.

Until then, you're just blowing hot air.

posted June 16, 2006 05:31 PM            

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That would require some doing.

This isn't about the NYT. I've already proven you wrong there.

posted June 16, 2006 05:35 PM            

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acoustic, if leftists are so intelligent and possess superior educations, why can't leftists put together winning political campaigns?

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Because the Left has been slow to adopt Republican tactics of blatent misrepresentation of the facts, and our infrastructure isn't as good.

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Should be simple to pull the wool over the eyes of the less educated, less intellectually astute if your proposition has any merit.

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posted June 16, 2006 06:01 PM            

Ogre:

A giant or monster in legends and fairy tales that eats humans.

And since I am what you like to refer to as a "desert" ogre - I must eat Desert humans.

But wait.. I look like a man... no make that a transvestite.. no no.. wait again... a Horse....

Once again Guttersnipe-Troll.... if you think that of me- I can't imagine how you feel about your own face. It has to suck being born then falling out of the Ugly tree and hitting every damn branch... twice.. before you fell into that gutter.

posted June 16, 2006 06:12 PM            

You say when it comes to global warming their are two groups - one that is for caution and one that is for preventing progress.

That is your opinion. First off, one has to presume global warming exists, then one has to prove that democrats have a solution other than making the peons drive hybrid cars so Gore can drive his gas sucker. You have to further prove that Republicans are actually trying to prevent progress instead of what we are really trying to do and that is stop the perpetuation of the myth that global warming actually exists.

You must also prove that Foxnews tells me what to think. That is your opinion. While I will admit the Republican party voices my opinion they do not TELL me what opinion to have. If tomorrow all Conservative leaders said to stone the gay person next to you, allow illegals into this country...etc.. I would reject it 100%.

That is the fundamental difference between us. Liberals repeat the mantra, tow the line, bow down on their prayer rug woven with the lies of eternal prosperity if we all just give up our arms, hold hands and let the few tell the masses how to live. Conservatives fight within our own party- like any strong team we debate before we go to battle. We embrace argument in order to better learn the other side and then come to a conclusion.

If anyone is spoon-fed what to think is the leftest wacknuts that hang on ever world psycho Pelosi spews, believes in all the Lies created by Micheal Moore and worse, would lead the another Crusade to prove them right.

posted June 16, 2006 07:27 PM            

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That is your opinion. First off, one has to presume global warming exists,

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It's not a presumption. It's recorded verifiable information. How is it beneficial to anyone at all to make this stuff up? It's not.

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then one has to prove that democrats have a solution other than making the peons drive hybrid cars so Gore can drive his gas sucker.

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I believe the solution is more than just hybrids, but even if it weren't, what's wrong with driving hybrids? That's not a good argument against global warming/climate change.

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You have to further prove that Republicans are actually trying to prevent progress instead of what we are really trying to do and that is stop the perpetuation of the myth that global warming actually exists.

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What do Republicans have to gain from disproving global warming? Even people who want to disprove global warming agree that it's happened/happening. Some even go so far as to agree to the possibility that it could be caused by CO2 emissions. The MIT professor that was part of the National Academy of Sciences study advocated more research on it, which suggests that though he may not find the study conclusive he believes it warrants more attention.

Bottom line, though, no one has anything to gain from global warming being true. Scientists noticed that the temperature been rising, that the ice caps have been melting, and said, "Hey, we need to look at this." Republicans automatically assume it's going to kill business somehow, and move to delegitimize it.

So which is more absurd? The guy who says, "Hey, it's getting warm," or the guy who says, "It's nothing. Don't pay attention to that." If we take the information from the first guy and act on it, and it turns out he was wrong, we're still ok. If we take the information from the second guy and he's wrong, then we're just screwed. Which is the logical step to take?

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You must also prove that Foxnews tells me what to think.

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I didn't say 'you' in particular. However, to the general masses Fox News is filled with commentary, and not a lot of objectivity. Things aren't presented in a balanced or informative manner.

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Liberals repeat the mantra, tow the line, bow down on their prayer rug woven with the lies of eternal prosperity if we all just give up our arms, hold hands and let the few tell the masses how to live.

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Where do you get that idea? What's our mantra? Who's line is it that we're towing? What 'few' are we promoting, and why don't I see any evidence that backs up that claim.

What you've just said is what the left says about the Right. Does the Right have Mantras? Yes. Marketing is huge in the Republican party. From the little blurbs you used to see behind Bush every time he took the podium away from home, to creating it's own jargon. Petron has shown where Rush Limbaugh says something, and then shortly afterward we see Jwhop use it. Prior to 2000, you didn't here the terms 'leftist' and 'far leftist,' and now they're a regular part of the vocabulary of people like Bill O'Reilly. Same with the lies of eternal prosperity. It's not the Democrats who are having trouble with spending. That's another Republican issue. "Hold hands and let the few tell the masses how to live." I've seen Bill O'Reilly call for a boycott on things (like France) from time to time, but I've not seen any figurehead from the left advocate any change of lifesytle to anyone.

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Conservatives fight within our own party- like any strong team we debate before we go to battle. We embrace argument in order to better learn the other side and then come to a conclusion.

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I must be missing out on that debate. Where does that take place?

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If anyone is spoon-fed what to think is the leftest wacknuts that hang on ever world psycho Pelosi spews, believes in all the Lies created by Micheal Moore and worse, would lead the another Crusade to prove them right.

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posted June 16, 2006 07:43 PM            

LMAO.... I'd love to respond, but after discovering how petty and snively you and your cohorts in Kindred Spirits really are, screw that. I have no respect for people like you.

posted June 16, 2006 07:44 PM              

I've known this since I was born. And no one ever explained it to me.

It's life.

Everyone knows that.

P.s - Cheney's daughter is a lesbian.