posted July 29, 2006 02:54 PM            

People who put the entire United States and every US citizen in jeaporady by disclosing secret/classified information to US enemies are not whistle blowers, they're traitors.

Time to plant some leftist press/publishers/editors @sses in jail cells until they disclose who in the government leaked classified/secret program information to them and then prosecute the hell out of them for endangering everyone in America.

July 29, 2006
Leak of Classified Information Prompts Inquiry
By SCOTT SHANE

WASHINGTON, July 28 — A federal grand jury has begun investigating the leak of classified information about intelligence programs to the press and has subpoenaed a former National Security Agency employee who claims to have witnessed illegal activity while working at the agency.

The former employee, Russell D. Tice, 44, of Linthicum, Md., said two F.B.I. agents approached on Wednesday and handed him the subpoena, which requires him to testify next Wednesday before a grand jury in Alexandria, Va.

The subpoena, which Mr. Tice made public on Friday, says the investigation covers “possible violation of federal criminal laws involving the unauthorized disclosure of classified information.” It specifically mentions the Espionage Act.

For months, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been looking into disclosures of secret intelligence operations, including The New York Times’s reports in December about the N.S.A.’s domestic surveillance program and The Washington Post’s articles on the Central Intelligence Agency’s overseas jails for terror suspects. But the subpoena is the first public confirmation that a grand jury has begun to hear evidence.

The decision to compel testimony before a grand jury is an indication of the seriousness of the inquiry. The Eastern District of Virginia has often been chosen by the Justice Department for national security cases because the federal court there is generally thought to be favorable to the government.

Leaks about secret counterterrorist programs, and the decision of The Times and other news media outlets to publish information on them, have been roundly denounced by President Bush and other administration officials. Some civil libertarians have defended the leaks as acts of conscience on the part of federal workers trying to stop illegal or unethical government activities.

Mr. Tice said in a telephone interview on Friday that he believed that the leak investigation and subpoena were designed to discourage whistle-blowers. “I feel this is an intimidation tactic aimed at me and anyone who’s considering dropping a dime on criminal activity by the government,” he said.

The American Civil Liberties Union denounced the subpoena as part of an effort to cover up government wrongdoing.

“Courageous federal employees like Mr. Tice who bring hidden truths to light, letting lawmakers and the American people know when official misconduct has occurred, perform a valuable public service,” said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the A.C.L.U.’s legislative office in Washington.

A Justice Department official, who would discuss the confidential criminal investigation only on condition of anonymity, said that the leak inquiry was in a preliminary investigative phase and that no journalist had been subpoenaed. The official said federal agents had interviewed officials at several intelligence agencies about their contacts with reporters at The Times and other news organizations.

Mr. Tice was dismissed last year from his job as a space systems specialist at the N.S.A., the eavesdropping agency based at Fort Meade, Md., where he worked on top-secret satellite intelligence collection programs. In a 20-year career, he also worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency and in Air Force intelligence.

By his account, his troubles began after he raised questions inside the agency about various N.S.A. activities. Eventually, Mr. Tice said, agency officials questioned his mental health and stripped him of the security clearance he needed for intelligence work.

He said that his mental health was “perfect” and that his dismissal was retaliation for his whistle-blowing. He said he was now doing housing construction work.

Mr. Tice said that he had discussed unclassified information about the security agency with reporters for The Times and other publications but that he had always been careful not to reveal classified information.

He said he had described what he believed to be illegal security agency activities to Congressional staff members who had the necessary security clearances to receive the information. He declined to describe the activities, but he said he believed that they violated the Constitution and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which governs intelligence eavesdropping inside the United States.

Mr. Tice gave the subpoena to the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, which posted it on its Web site at www.nswbc.org. The group was formed last year by Sibel Edmonds, a former F.B.I. translator who lost a court fight challenging her 2002 dismissal after the government invoked the state-secrets privilege, a legal doctrine it is also using to try to block lawsuits involving the security agency’s domestic surveillance program.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/29/washington/29leak.html?ref=washington&pagewanted=print

posted August 06, 2006 02:58 PM            

Let me suggest something different. The traitorous American press is full of "accidental Americans" engaged in aiding/abetting an enemy of the United States and espionage by tipping the enemy off to secret classified programs the United States is using to locate, thwart, capture and kill them.

The Rabbi is right however, when he says the traitors in the press should be indicted, convicted and sent to the same kind of maximum security prison other traitors are treated to at government expense.

No License for Treason
Rabbi Morton Pomerantz
Wednesday, July 19, 2006

It is bad enough that the despicable New York Times ran a story exposing a government program tracing the financial dealings of the Islamofascists.

It is bad enough that, despite warnings from the government that this would impede the war against the Islamic terrorists, the Times published it anyway.

To make matters worse, elements in the conservative press – that's right, the conservative press – have decided suddenly to become politically correct. They are disturbed, you see, by the notion that part of the press and its representatives could be charged with crimes up to and including treason.

The conservative press has been understandably upset by the publication of war secrets during a time of war; indeed, they feel the source that gave this information from the government was engaging in treasonous activity. The problem comes in their hesitancy to prosecute the Times, its reporters, and its editors for publishing this material.

The editors and reporters of the New York Times so hate President Bush that they are willing to endanger our troops and our country in their sick attempt to bring him down.

Let it be understood that everybody who is an American believes in freedom of the press. Let it also be understood that at this very moment I am engaged in writing an article for periodical distribution. This, however, does not give me the right to publish the details of military secrets.

Let me be blunt: Freedom of the press grants a license to no one to engage in espionage or to publish military secrets in time of war. The miserable attempt by the editors of the Times to argue that the terrorists knew about the program before they published it indicates that the Times understood how serious the transgression was.

They also knew that this made life more difficult for President Bush, so they felt justified in doing what they did.

We hear from some in the conservative press that prosecuting newspapers is a bad precedent. An understanding that newspapers may publish military secrets with impunity in times of war is a far more dangerous precedent.

We are dealing with people who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center in New York and into the Pentagon in the nation's capitol. The government has a right and a duty to keep secrets to wage war on those guilty and to prevent recurrences. When we send troops into the field of battle to put their lives on the line for our country and us, we owe them the diligent keeping of military secrets to protect them from harm's way.

Our esteemed liberal journalists never saw it that way. The liberal hacks at first refused to wear American flags in their lapels; after all, one might infer from such an action that they wanted America to win.

These "heroes of journalism" have informed us that if they knew of a coming attack on American troops, they would not inform American authorities. Their excuse? "We are reporters."

So they are, but they are also American citizens. One would think that they would labor under the same moral demands that all the rest of us labor under. But no, they are neutral. When these neutrals publish secret information that endangers the country and our troops, they should expect to pay the full penalty of the law.

Rep. Michael Oxley, a Republican from Ohio and chairman of the Financial Services Committee, said: "I think, frankly, it's treason. Nobody is happier about those revelations than those who would do us harm."

Freedom of the press does not grant a license to commit espionage, not even for the editors and journalists of the New York Times. Publishing military secrets is a serious business. But what about freedom of the press? Well, do we believe in freedom of speech? If we do, do I have the right to rent a hall, open its doors to the public, and pronounce in a loud voice one military secret after another?

It is not merely the government source that should be prosecuted criminally. Mr. Keller, the editor of the Times, has gone way beyond anything that is acceptable. He and all the journalists involved in this enterprise should be indicted, prosecuted, and sent to jail for a long time – and I mean a jail where we send convicted espionage agents and traitors, not a country club. They should spend many years there, not months or weeks.

And if any members of the Sulzberger family were involved in this disgusting enterprise, they, too, should be indicted, convicted, and sent to the penitentiary.

Either we are serious about fighting a war against the Islamofascists, or we are not. Either we are prepared to take the necessary steps to protect our sons and daughters of the armed forces, or we are not. If we are not, then let's fly a white flag over the Capitol and watch Western civilization sink.

If we are serious, we cannot allow people, including alleged journalists, to publish military secrets that harm our war effort and endanger our troops. Those who do such things should learn a very bitter lesson.

posted August 06, 2006 04:50 PM              

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A federal grand jury has begun investigating the leak of classified information about intelligence programs to the press.....

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No kidding, jwhop???

That's great!

Maybe they'll look into.....

.......THIS "classified information."

.....information about the CIA's TOP SECRET mind control research program code named MK-Ultra......

......information given by "whistle blowers" Cathy O' Brien and Mark Phillips....

.....and revelations of the horrors Cathy (and many others) were subjected to under this program....

But Wait!

That WAS already looked into, wasn't it?

The facts of their case was presented from detailed sworn testimony, derived from hundreds of hours of video and audio recordings, thousands of pages of hand written dated notes, COURTROOM RECORDS, and sworn testimonies by the plaintiffs......

.......to all applicable national and international law enforcement agencies.

.....before both Houses of US Congressional Permanent Select Committees on Intelligence Oversight.......

......The World Court.....

......Interpol........

.....and the united Nations Commission on Human Rights Abuses.

But -

Nobody could do anything about it.....

Why, you ask????

FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY...

Whistle blowers, beware!

posted August 06, 2006 05:00 PM              

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Mr. Tice said in a telephone interview on Friday that he believed that the leak investigation and subpoena were designed to discourage whistle-blowers.

“I feel this is an intimidation tactic aimed at me and anyone who’s considering dropping a dime on criminal activity by the government,” he said.

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Indimidation tactic, indeed....can't let the public know about the criminal activity....like MK Ultra....

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EDITED....added afterthought....

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“Courageous federal employees like Mr. Tice who bring hidden truths to light, letting lawmakers and the American people know when official misconduct has occurred, perform a valuable public service,” said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the A.C.L.U.’s legislative office in Washington.

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Kudos to you Caroline Fredrickson...

posted August 08, 2006 04:38 PM              

Cathy O'Brien
and
Mark Phillips

On August 3rd, 1977 the 95th U.S. Congress opened hearings into the reported abuses concerning the CIA's TOP SECRET mind control research program code named MK-Ultra.

On February 8th, 1988, a top-level MK-Ultra victim, Cathy O'Brien, was covertly rescued from her mind control enslavement by Intelligence insider Mark Phillips.

Their seven year pursuit of Justice was stopped FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

The book TRANCE Formation of America exposes the TRUTH behind this covert government program and its ultimate goal: psychological control of a nation.

TRANCE Formation of America is the first documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control.

Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch operation.

Tracing her path from child pornography and recruitment into the program to serving as a top-level intelligence agent and White House sex slave, TRANCE Formation of America is a definitive eye-witness account of government corruption that implicates some of the most prominent figures in U.S. politics.

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I READ THIS BOOK....

It is not only eye opening.....

.....it's frightening.....

posted August 08, 2006 05:05 PM            

If Cathy weren't a liar she would have her plaintiff copies of the law suits SHE SAYS SHE FILED....like every other plaintiff in America. If she weren't a liar, she would have included copies of those lawsuits in the book she's flogging...properly date and time stamped with the seal of the court in which they were filed.

She has nothing but her totally unsupported word any of her allegations ever happened.

But here you are Rainbow, putting forth another conspiracy out of your hatred...which seems to be all you have in your tank.

You certainly don't have logic, reason or an issue on your side.

Bush has done nothing but protect the United States....and all US citizens within the country. Including those airheads who hate his guts for him doing and having done his job and upholding his oath of office.

posted August 08, 2006 05:44 PM              

quote:

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If Cathy weren't a liar she would have her plaintiff copies of the law suits SHE SAYS SHE FILED

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She DOES have them....

posted August 08, 2006 05:46 PM              

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Bush has done nothing but protect the United States....and all US citizens within the country

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jwhop....if this weren't so serious....it would be laughable...

posted August 08, 2006 05:48 PM              

I didn't mean to imply that you are a liar...

...because I don't think you are....

Sadly, I'm pretty sure YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING....so therefore...it is your opinion

...........which you have the right to...

..............same as me...

(opinion - different from a lie!)

posted August 08, 2006 06:12 PM            

Photocopies of the exact legal documents that SHE filed with the court, that actually have the timestamp and seal? Or are they copies of unsubmitted documents that she "swears" she submitted but didn't get timestamped or stamped with the seal?

Cathy O'brian is a crackpot- just like you. Her diagnosed MPD and Dissociative disorder are enough cause to question anything out of her mouth.

Here are some of her own outrageous transcripts:
http://ic.net/~celano/cathtrans.html

Do I believe she was sexually abused by her father and mother? Yep! Do I believe she developed a mental disorder because of it? Yep.. Do I believe she invented the rest and a real weirdo, Phillips, came to her rescue to actually USE her as a prop to dupe dumba$$es into the theory of mind control - OH YEAH!!

Hmmm.... Stainblow... you have wonderful heros. Not to mention the weird capacity to post 3 posts within 4 minutes in that weird frantic way of yours... all of them still in a mental format.

posted August 08, 2006 06:16 PM            

Debunking Cathy O'Brian

Project Monarch
(thing) by Timeshredder (2.9 min) (print) ? 4 C!s Fri Sep 19 2003 at 1:29:25

World leaders, demons, aliens
no matter what their name
in the name of peace and love
can be stopped just the same.
--from "All Rise" by Cathy O'Brien, http://www.trance-formation.com/Poetry/AllRise.htm

The conspiracy, predictably, involves the CIA, Nazis, the Vatican, Satanists, HAARP, Walt Disney, assorted rock musicians, and Freemasonry. Naturally, childhood sexual abuse plays a key role. According to the escaped sex-slaves of Project Monarch, it all serves the world's (or, it seems, America's) power elite.

And that elite, in some accounts, are the Lizard-People of the Illuminati.

Project Monarch seems to be largely the invention of Cathy O'Brien and her husband, Mark Phillips. O'Brien claims she was victimized by her father, who produced child pornography. Her uncle, privy to the top-secret Project, realized that the girl was perfect fodder for Monarch, which recruits multi-generational incest victims who suffer from Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder). O'Brien makes several unfounded claims about this condition; apparently, it gives one a a photographic memory, superhuman senses, and a high pain tolerance: all requirements for the CIA experiments. This, she explains, is the reality behind those Satanic Cults which suburban myth has performing Satanic Ritual Abuse in every other neighborhood; they're CIA fronts which produce the children Project Monarch requires. Disney films, Steven Spielberg's ET, L. Frank Baum's The Wizard of Oz, and even John Steinbeck novels all play a role in the programming. Of course, the CIA has an elaborate system of coded words, which permit operations to take place in public; bystanders will only hear the innocent words, and not the coded messages.

Their purpose? Well, because the agents have multiple personalities (not to mention their other nifty powers), they can be used as sex slaves, spies, or criminal operatives, without their primary personality ever knowing what they've been doing. This prevents future blackmail and other inconveniences.

Professional comedians, O'Brien assures us, often handle the Monarch slaves.

O'Brien, it turns out, was a "Presidential Model" slave. Her customers included George Bush, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton. "Hillary knew I was a mind-controlled slave," she reports, commenting on their first meeting, "and, like Bill Clinton, just took it in stride as a 'normal' part of life in politics."

And she recalls with horror the memorable day when she saw Bush reveal his true form: a humanoid lizard.

For the sex slaves do not exist only to provide pleasure to their masters. The Illuminati Reptiloids require human DNA, obtained through acts of sex and vampirism, to retain their human disguises.

Then again, perhaps this is not so. O'Brien elsewhere indicates Bush may have simply used a holographic projector to create the illusion that he was a lizard-like alien.

Could this really be happening? Or perhaps this woman suffers from schizophrenia?

Others have testified.

O'Brien's husband, Mark Phillips, has told varying accounts of how he learned about Project Monarch, whence he rescued his future wife. He claims he had a sensitive position with NASA in the 1960s when it seems he could have been, at most, in his early twenties. He also claims to have stumbled onto sensitive information while working for California-based Woodland Hills Research and Development-- a corporation which doesn't seem to exist. According to reporter/conspiracy theorist Martin Cannon, Phillips' most impressive job for which any record can be found involved the sale of recreational vehicles.

Another woman, Brice Tayler, tells tales similar to O'Brien's. As a bonus, she implicates the late Bob Hope in the conspiracy. It must be noted, however, that her stories appeared after Cathy O'Brien's were available for inspiration.

Granted, the CIA, in the past, has experimented with mind control, hired former Nazis, used torture, infiltrated news sources, and set up a brothel with a hidden camera to film the effects LSD had on the unwary patrons to whom it was given. They also left a trail of evidence (and shredded documents). Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof; proof exists for MKUltra. Evidence of Project Monarch is, at best, sketchy. Yes, the CIA attempted to create programable humans; no, there's no evidence they succeeded in doing anything but warping people's minds to no good end. An FBI investigation into reports of Satanic Ritual Abuse, prompted by the notorious Satanic Panic of the late 1980s/early 1990s (actually a review of other investigations) found no corroborative evidence that ritually-abusive transgenerational Satanic cults exist. Evidence and identifiable survivors of the CIA's established attrocities exist. Credible evidence and survivors of CIA-sponsored, decades-long sexual abuse do not, despite the fact that such a project would be considerably more difficult to conceal. O'Brien, Phillips, and Taylor, have provided nothing apart from their testimony. Little Cathy O'Brien sex videos have never surfaced.

What, then, to make of this strange mix of conspiracy paranoia and the 1980s alien invasion mini-series V?

Our world leaders are, let us say, not consistently forthright with the general populace. "Deals with the devil" occur daily. Metaphorically, at least, a few of the world's political giants might be described as monsters and rapists.

And O'Brien's talk of Neuro Linguistic Programming, whereby we are subtley influenced to do things which work against our own interests, likely resonates with anyone who has endured the omnipresent advertising of our era.

I do not for an instant believe in the reality of these conspiratorial claims. But the people making them may well have suffered; perhaps they are victims of serious abuse, or perhaps they suffer from organic brain disorders. But through their delusions, they may be seeing a kind of truth. The principal effect of their hypothetical mental disorder may be that they see metaphors and symbols with such blinding clarity that they do not recognize the more mundane truths which these metaphors and symbols might point to and illuminate.

Dreamvirus, among others, note that the "Illuminati Reptilians" have been cited in the paranoic fantasies of others, most notably David Icke.

I should also note, with reference to oakling's wu below, that I am describing the popular account of Project Monarch, which assumes that the CIA used certain methods successfully to create programable humans. While some present-day continuation of MKUltra is theoretically possible, it is nearly impossible to find accounts of Monarch which do not include (1) successful human sex-slave programming and (2) People of note, who may or may not be Reptilians. Monarch would be unique indeed among the CIA's projects of so many big names were involved-- even more so if they have an alien lineage. It is not enough to repeat documented facts and newer allegations about MKUltra and other CIA attrocities. We know they used extreme techniques, decades ago, in an effort to reprogram people. Those who believe that a specific "Project Monarch" exits need to provide a compelling reason why we should believe the theoretically possible half of O'Brien and Taylor's testimony, while ignoring their fantastic claims. And given the term's dubious and (seemingly) recent origins, it seems a poor choice to adopt as a catch-all for real and alleged torture and skullduggery by the CIA.

Martin Cannon. "Project Monarch: the Tangled Web." http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project123.html

Cathy O'Brien. Trance Formation of America. http://www.trance-formation.com/NewMain.htm

Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories: the Truth has Set me Free. 1999.

Brice Taylor. Interviewed by Wayne Morris. CKLN 88.1 FM Ryerson Polytechnical University Toronto, Ontario. http://mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln23.htm

posted August 09, 2006 01:42 AM              

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Here are some of her own outrageous transcripts:
http://ic.net/~celano/cathtrans.html

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I ALREADY posted that link, Pid.... It's on another thread where Cathy O'Brien was also being discussed.

Good link....tho not pretty....

You refer to the transcript as "outrageous."

I gotta admit that I thought the Cathy O'Brien story was "outrageous" too, when I first stumbled on it about five years ago.....

It's not something that I suddenly jumped into and accepted...

so -

...it's taken me quite awhile to come to terms with the possibility of this being the truth - as horrible and ugly as it is!

And even more so after having read the book.

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Anyway, I'm glad to see that you had the moxie to get into the meat of this thing......even if it WAS because you were looking for ways to debunk Cathy.....

By the way, I might point out that the "expert" doing the debunking made a comment that it TOTALLY FALSE.

I know, because I read BOTH books by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips....

The thing he talked about in the following quote.....never, ever was in either book that I read...

He says....

quote:

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For the sex slaves do not exist only to provide pleasure to their masters. The Illuminati Reptiloids require human DNA, obtained through acts of sex and vampirism, to retain their human disguises.

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This also never happened....

quote:

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And she recalls with horror the memorable day when she saw Bush reveal his true form: a humanoid lizard.

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This also is wrong......he used a trick - a holographic projector to try and frighten her. She does not say HE REVEALED HIS TRUE FORM!

If this guy wants some credibility he'd better get his facts straight!

....and who is this guy, anyway?

You don't give us any indication of who is doing the "debunking."

I am surprised that he did say this, tho....

quote:

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Granted, the CIA, in the past, has experimented with mind control, hired former Nazis, used torture, infiltrated news sources, and set up a brothel with a hidden camera to film the effects LSD had on the unwary patrons to whom it was given. They also left a trail of evidence (and shredded documents

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That right there, is pretty incriminating stuff about our CIA....(who'd a thunk it?)

He admits this?

quote:

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Yes, the CIA attempted to create programable humans;

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....and this too?

quote:

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Evidence and identifiable survivors of the CIA's established attrocities exist.

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Wow!

.....and then "Mr. Debunker" says this....

quote:

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I do not for an instant believe in the reality of these conspiratorial claims

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And neither do a lot of other people, but their "disbelief" does not add up to "debunking."

jwhop says he's in real estate....

If I said I didn't believe it, that would in no way be "debunking" his claim...

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I went to Martin Cannon's link which you posted......and read what he had to say....
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project123.html

and found this....

quote:

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He [Mark Phillips] also briefly joined forces with a Tennessee businessman named Alex Houston. Houston, in a telephone interview with researcher Mike Knight, claims that he was married to Cathy O'Brien in 1988. Oddly, she never mentioned this marriage in her voluminous autobiographical writings

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This is in error....

Cathy most definitely DOES mention her marriage to Alex Houston -in BOTH her books...

TRANCE Formation of America

and

ACCESS DENIED For Reasons of National Security

I found this interesting too....

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Houston reports that he and Mark Phillips once traveled to China to sell capacitors, and were briefly detained on suspicion of espionage by the Chinese government. After returning to the United States, Houston found that Cathy had gone off with Mark

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If Mark had just returned to the U.S. WITH Houston....how could Houston have "discovered" upon his return, that his wife had run off with Mark?

That doesn't make sense...

Cannon also says....

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.....to be fair, Mark and Cathy never seemed to be "in it for the money" - in fact, they spent a tremendous amount on their mailings, while the potential for libel suits placed them at some financial risk. I doubt that sales of their book (published by a small firm, and undistributed, so far, in the larger stores) will fetch them much monetary benefit....

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In spite of everyone Mark and Cathy implicated, there were NEVER any libel suits.....

I wonder why?

Cannon concludes with....

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How, then, do we assess their claims? Some believe that Cathy's testimony is essentially true, while others damn it as a pack of lies. Still others suspect that Mark and Cathy have played out a clever disinformation gambit, mixing fact and fiction in order to discredit any genuine victims who "break program."

Worth noting: "Mr. A" has never attempted to sue the couple, even though they have accused him publicly of numerous crimes, and even though he is notorious for having his lawyers write intimidating letters to anyone he perceives as injuring his reputation.

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I don't know that their story was exactly "debunked!" here, Pid.....

posted August 09, 2006 02:00 AM              

You tell me this, Pid.....

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Do I believe she was sexually abused by her father and mother? Yep! Do I believe she developed a mental disorder because of it? Yep.. Do I believe she invented the rest and a real weirdo, Phillips, came to her rescue to actually USE her as a prop to dupe dumba$$es into the theory of mind control - OH YEAH!!

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Why would they want to do that?

How would it benefit them?

If what they've disclosed in those two books are lies.....why have they not been sued????

posted August 09, 2006 04:34 PM              

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Only a misguided incompetent fool would believe in Cathy O'Brian. Only a person with a limited brain capacity, matyr complex and bi-polar syndrome would deem her words as truth.

If the shoe fits......

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Yes, this is tactic number five.....on the 25 TACTICS FOR TRUTH SUPPRESSION list..

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", "brain dead morons" "whacknuts" and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

posted August 09, 2006 05:29 PM            

You wouldn't even be worthy of a mind control experiment let alone be useful to anyone in a position of power. Having you on "our" so called mind control team makes about as much sense as a one legged man at an a$$ kicking contest.

Nah.... let the Cathy O'Brians of the world be your hero.

For the rest of us reasonable, productive citizens, we'll forgo the "bush is a reptile" BS, the induced schizophrenia and Disney as a mind control cartoon tool crap.

That belongs in your realm. And you just make yourself look more and more like a mindless idiot when you keep trying to advocate that crap.

Then, like the weak coward that you are, you try to use a fake tactic ,as written by a mentally disturbed woman, to say my calling you mindless, idiot, etc.. is due to my trying to control your mind.

Hey, psycho.. it's because you are KOO KOO for COCOA PUFFS insane.

posted August 09, 2006 06:08 PM            

I can't believe any sane person could believe a word of what "Cathy" says...whether she's just a phony trying to cash in on a book deal, likes the attention, is in the grip of a con artist or just plain crazy, it doesn't matter.

I noticed they never came up with the documentation to prove anything they said when the writers pressed them to do so. The cat ate all the documents??...apparently they didn't produce them.

I had to laugh when I saw they named Bob Hope to their list of oppressors.

posted August 09, 2006 10:36 PM              

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First....Pid in her miscomprehension says......

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LMAO.... so you think I would even try to exert mind control over YOU?

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Pid, that you drew a dim-witted conclusion like the idiocy you typed above....... pitiully reveals your limited ability to comprehend...

Where did you get the dumb idea that I thought you were trying to "exert mind control over me?"

duh!

I'm assuming that you must be referring to my mention of tactic number five.....on the 25 TACTICS FOR TRUTH SUPPRESSION list.

Pid......no where was MIND CONTROL mentioned in the TRUTH SUPRESSION list.

My god...mind control is not as simple as one using those 25 tactics that I mentioned!

Those tactics are used by one, when they want to distract opponents......as a way of supressing the truth....

NOT mind control for heaven's sake!

More of your jumping to "delusions."

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.....and yes the Bob Hope thing is funny....but not for the reasons that jwhop and Isis seem to think.....

You see, I read the books TRANCE Formation of America as well as ACCESS DENIED For Reasons of National Security

...both written by Cathy O'Brien and her husband Mark Phillips....

I read them both - not once - but twice so I have a pretty good idea of what is in those books....

......and those people here, who are so ready to have fun with "the Bob Hope thing," should be informed that THEY are the ones who look foolish.....

because....

NO WHERE WAS BOB HOPE EVER MENTIONED IN EITHER BOOK!

I know....because I read them both!

Wouldn't I look foolish trying to quote Shakespeare if I HAD NEVER READ ANY OF HIS WORKS!

Untill you guys do your homework....it's better for your own image, to not try and make "mocking" comments about something you know nothing about.

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posted August 09, 2006 11:37 PM            

These people just go from one conspiracy theory to another. Never a bit of proof but they believe nevertheless. Mainly because they want so badly to believe it's true.

This would make a hell of a skit on Saturday Night Live....strickly for it's entertainment value.

posted August 10, 2006 12:23 AM              

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I know Isis, it's a real scream. Bush a lizard man alien and Bob Hope one of the oppressors who partied with the sex slaves

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You're making yourself look quite foolish to keep referring to things that were NEVER in the book...

I READ THE BOOK!

YOU DIDN'T!

posted August 10, 2006 12:46 AM            

The Illuminati Reptiloids require human DNA, obtained through acts of sex and vampirism, to retain their human disguises."

Huh, what's that you say Rainbow. Poor little Cathy never said Bush was a lizard man alien?

posted August 10, 2006 12:57 AM              

That's not to say that they don't make serious faux-pas...but to be involved this deeply, in something this sinister...if they have any hope or ambition for a political future, they wouldn't want to have anything to do with this, and wouldn't hesitate to sound the alarm on anyone else who they knew WAS involved in something like this...There's always been symbolic "cannibolism" that goes on amongst politicians, and they keep each other in line with it...

posted August 10, 2006 02:20 AM              

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"And she recalls with horror the memorable day when she saw Bush reveal his true form: a humanoid lizard. For the sex slaves do not exist only to provide pleasure to their masters.
The Illuminati Reptiloids require human DNA, obtained through acts of sex and vampirism, to retain their human disguises."
Huh, what's that you say Rainbow. Poor little Cathy never said Bush was a lizard man alien?

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jwhop....when are you going to get it in your head that I read the damn book and THOSE THING YOU QUOTED ABOVE - ARE NOT IN IT!

.....and since YOU didn't read the book, you're taking the word of someone who obviously DIDN'T read the book either. Don't you think that's kind of a careless thing to do?

....it more or less tells me now, how you come by all your authentic information...second hand and not reliable...

...and you need to retract your "attempt" at mockery, since you have nothing concrete to back up what you say...