posted August 12, 2006 12:25 PM              

TP doesn't bother me in the slightest anymore. Lotus either. We're supposed to be spiritually inclined folk here, right? If something as inconsequential and irrelevant as a TP or Lotus post upsets me, I'm going to ask myself why before I shoot back. I don't consider that lacking in self-respect. I consider it being rational. *shrugs* Call me crazy.

posted August 12, 2006 01:02 PM            

For some reason these lying bullsh*t artists think they should not personally be subjected to the same kind of attacks they dish out daily. The difference is that there are some here who examine what these lying leftists say and then tell the truth about them, their motives and their political associations.

There's nothing worse for a leftist than for someone to tell the truth about them and the truth about leftists doesn't paint a pretty picture.

Cicero talked about a nation being able to survive it's fools and that's true. He also talked about the enemy within, traitors who poison the political atmosphere within nations with their lies all the while pulling for, promoting enemies and attempting divide to destroy the very nation in which they live.

The only reason I don't consider you an outright traitor Mirandee is that no one in their right mind would ever tell you anything you could use to sell out the United States. Nor will you ever rise to any position of influence from which you can preach your poison.

You are in my opinion an incipient traitor, having the mindset of a traitor but lacking the means to sell out the United States.

Nevertheless Mirandee, I would bring you and all like you up on charges of sedition, convict you and give you a choice; 10-15 years in a maximum security federal prison or renounce your US citizenship and you get the hell out of the United States within 30 days.

For the rest of the whining, lying, libeling leftists and supporters of terrorists and terrorist regimes here; if you can't take it, then don't dish it out because it will be returned to you in equal measure.

There is a place for differences of "opinion" here and rational discussion of issues. Launching lying personal attacks against the President's character, state of spiritual development, integrity, physical characteristics and intellectual capacity..or the United States or the people of the United States, that will get you impaled on your own lies...as you should be.

posted August 12, 2006 01:14 PM              

I don't defend anyone's personnel attacks, not even my own. Even as I do it in return to Pidaua and Jwhop I know it is wrong. But I feel it seems to be the only way to deal with Pidaua and Jwhop. And since Randall, for whatever reason he has, forces the rest of us to daily doses of venom from Jwhop and Pidaua simply for giving our opinions or posting articles that contradict the ones they want people to believe there is no other choice as far as I am concerned.

In their own way both Jwhop and Pidaua are terrorists. Think about it. Don't they do the same things that they condemn terrorists for? Just as they claim that terrorists are naturally just violent people who attack others don't they do the same? Just as they claim that terrorists attack others just for disagreeing with their views don't Jwhop and Pidaua do the same thing here? Just as they claim that terrorists are cowardly and attack people without warning don't they do the same thing?

I do agree with what Juniperb said. And what Tink said except about TP. TP is brutally honest and that is her approach. While I don't condone calling people a ***** and things like that, at least I give her credit for her directness and her honesty. I prefer that to Jwhop and Pidaua's approach. I prefer it to "gang ups" on others in teams. That is a the method of bullies.

Very well said, salome. Whitewashing behavior does not change what it is at all. What is Pidaua's and Jwhop's gripe about you posting a spoof on Bush? Just what they stated. They don't want it here as it gives us "liberals" reasons to laugh at their leader. It gives us ammunition.

They are saying just what is in their hearts. They think only they have the right to cut down any Democrat or any liberal and only they have a right to speak their opinions and post articles that support their beliefs. They are saying it is okay for Ann Coulter to do it and it's okay for them to post articles such as yours but not okay for us.

posted August 12, 2006 01:20 PM              

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I stand behind every word I've had to say here about those who have made a career out of launching vile, venomous lying attacks on the United States and personal attacks on Bush.

For some reason these lying bullsh*t artists think they should not personally be subjected to the same kind of attacks they dish out daily. The difference is that there are some here who examine what these lying leftists say and then tell the truth about them, their motives and their political associations.

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That is sick Jwhop. What about your personnel attacks and lies about John Kerry and Democrats? What makes it okay for you to do it but not us? What about the numerous articles you post slandering and lying about Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton? What about the recent article by Ann Coulter that you posted the day after Lieberman lost the primary in Conn. slandering Lamont and calling him a communist with ties to Stalin? But we cannot bring up the fact that Bush and his family are tight with the House of Saud and that his uncle supported Chinese communism?

That is why your thinking is so twisted and sick. You actually believe that anything you think, believe or post here is the truth and that anything we post that differs from that is lies. Thus making us "lying leftists."

posted August 12, 2006 01:25 PM              

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Launching lying personal attacks against the President's character, state of spiritual development, integrity, physical characteristics and intellectual capacity..or the United States or the people of the United States, that will get you impaled on your own lies...as you should be.

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which president?

posted August 12, 2006 01:31 PM              

Because personally I and others here believe it is Bush and all the Neo-cons and their agenda which an attack on the U.S.

posted August 12, 2006 01:37 PM              

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I don't defend anyone's personnel attacks, not even my own. Even as I do it in return to Pidaua and Jwhop I know it is wrong. But I feel it seems to be the only way to deal with Pidaua and Jwhop.

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You might want to try another strategy, Mirandee. That one doesn't seem to be working.

feeling a wee bit dramatic today, Jwhop?

posted August 12, 2006 01:40 PM            

One cannot have an opinion about something which is a total lie...except the opinion that it is a total lie.

One who puts forth total lies is not stating an opinion...which requires belief. No one could possibly be so stupid as to believe the lies you post here Mirandee, which leaves you in the position of being a flaming liar.

Take your terrorist bullsh*t and stuff it. You can spout that nonsense the day Pid or I strap on a bomb and detonate it to kill civilians. You have a way of speaking through the wrong orifice Mirandee and I'm not talking about your ears.

posted August 12, 2006 02:23 PM            

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As far as banning people goes ... the only person I remember that I've taken issue with in the past is the person currently known as VL (though there is someone else that comes to mind but I can't put my finger on their name). And it isn't even something personal. But her behavior hasn't changed much at all since her original ban ... she is banned. That's all there is to it. She banned herself. It's not like the rules of conduct here are that hard to follow. I'm tired of posting the same information for it be ignored here or for it to be interpreted differently and self servingly by people with feelings against one imaginary group here or another.
How hard is it to not use personal attacks?
But then someone is going to argue, "well, such and such counts as a personal attack" and someone else will argue, "no, no, only x,y and z count as personal attacks" ... as though no one on this forum understands the english language or has any idea what a personal attack is.
I would actually try to go back to the numerous posts wherein these same issues have come up and, once again, bring up "what counts" and "what doesn't count" according to our very own webmaster here who makes the rules that we all agreed to by registering here for those who still do not seem to understand what is being discussed ad naseum here .... but the search function is being silly.
So what is left for us to do besides watch another molehill be blown into a mountain with no one caring to understand anyone else's point of view and only trying to goad each other into more outbursts with yet more insults and believe that these words apply to everyone but themselves?
I think I'll go for a walk with my family. It's a lovely day out.

posted August 12, 2006 03:08 PM            

Easy yes? Actually no. The reason is anyone w/the savvy can reroute their IP.
They could use one from Spain, Florida or where ever. They could (if clever enough) use your IP.

I have seen banning based soley on material w/ a certain IP. and with very sad results.

A very tough call but one that is indeed available.

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posted August 12, 2006 06:09 PM            

edited to add,

as far as i can see, all e mails and activeties on the net logs IP`s. Somehow it keeps all the traffic accountable?I`m making a feeble attempt in explaining it correct & hope someone will step in and explain IP`s , the why & hows.

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posted August 12, 2006 08:32 PM              

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So you think that VL should be banned for being direct and honest...

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(from VL)

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Nasty dirty wh*re

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Tell me, Mirandee - HOW is that "telling it like it is????". Is it true and relevant then, that Isis is in fact a dirty nasty wh*ore? What on earth justifies saying this in the context of that conversation??

posted August 12, 2006 09:14 PM              

I certainly don't understand all this computer nonsense. Where's Petron?

C'mon Mirandee, I can't believe you're defending this. It's a sad day when that sort of rude and uncultured gutter language is considered "direct and honest". God forbid any of us attempt to communicate in an eloquent fashion. We wouldn't wish to appear elitist, now would we? And a extensive vocabulary? Heaven's no! Don't be usin' them there "big words" and confusin' the neighbors.

posted August 14, 2006 01:49 PM            

If Pid or I or anyone who isn't a Bush Hater is called a name you defend the person, but if it's one of your cronies you would be all up in arms. You're full of $hit.

posted August 14, 2006 03:25 PM              

i understand what you mean...i know that you're not condoning or defending VL's abusive language.

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TP is brutally honest and that is her approach. While I don't condone calling people a ***** and things like that, at least I give her credit for her directness and her honesty. I prefer that to Jwhop and Pidaua's approach.

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you're comapring the nature of the insults among all parties, not saying that either side is right to engage such behavior. and i agree, it's a little easier to stomach the insult of one or two words, than paragraph after paragraphic of nasty, graphic, explicit language, describing in the most pornographic and/or degrading manner the most vile things about a person. words and paragraphs about nothing other than sheer personal attack. it is usually these tactics that are used to provoke insults, and often in response to a dislike of the impersonal contents of a person's post.

it's draining and sickening to read such things, and seems more insidious than a single trite and typical curseword. even though the use of such of words is indeed unacceptable as well.

posted August 14, 2006 03:48 PM            

Being called a wh*re by someone with a few bulbs short of a fixture is just mildly annoying. But having a bunch of hypocrites defend it because I don't typically agree with their politics, is infuriating.

What's even more twisted is that some support VL's "right" to call me a wh*re NOT because I go around verbally bashing others on the board, but because Pid and Jwhop do and I don't disagree with their politics.

posted August 14, 2006 04:03 PM            

You are not part of the leftist brigade and are therefore subject to attack...in their minds and never mind that you don't use attack language yourself.

I have found what you say on this forum thoughtful...worthy of thought and quite moderate in style and language.

You are right again. Pid and I and sometimes lioneye are much more pointed in our remarks.

Sorry you've caught some of the fallout.

posted August 16, 2006 06:47 PM            

"Yes, pid I do have a question, what about stem cell research? Bush is for that, so he's allegedly taking innocent lives, even if they are already aborted."

No, Bush is not for stem cell research from aborted fetuses. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion since he vetoed the Bill and actually ANGERED people here at LL.

Bush IS for stem cell research with cells that are extracted from the umbilical cords of LIVE births. Stem cell does not automatically mean fetus and abortion.

I hope I helped clear that up for you.

posted August 16, 2006 06:53 PM            

I am still waiting for your proof that I have written derogatory posts about the Muslim people.

Guess you couldn't find anything huh? Probably because it wasn't there. I am alot of things, but I am not a racist nor do I lump a group of people under one category based on the actions of a few.

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

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