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Topic: Who's the Racist?
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 03:05 PM
  
This is the saddest thread on here  with a rare Potential. One can`t help but see Piduau has a deep love for her Country. Daydreamer a deep love for her Faith. Lioneye a deep love for Equality. Can you imagine if such wonderful Souls combined their Love and Passions to change the world instead of annoying each other???  ------------------
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lioneye68
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posted August 22, 2006 03:19 PM
YEAH!!!  What she said!! Juni, you rock  Gimee a "J"!!!! Of course, first we'd all have to agree on what needs changing in the world.  IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 03:23 PM
Juniper  It's nice that you are trying to bring some peace here...and categorize what we're passionate about...(as if it were so simple and as if Im not passionate about equality?) The fact is Pidaua makes horrendous lies about me. She is trying to draw me as a terrorist, with terrorist views. I have never said anything she claims that I said. And I have never had to edit comments like that because I never made them. The fact is Lioneye makes insulting, and racist comments towards me, which she should be reprimanded for. And I label her insults as racism because there is no other word that quite describes it. Some people call it Islamophobia, but I call it racism. quote:
Wikipedia
Islamophobia is the fear and/or hatred of Islam, Muslims or Islamic culture. Islamophobia can be characterised by the belief that all or most Muslims are religious fanatics, have violent tendencies towards non-Muslims, and reject as directly opposed to Islam such concepts as equality, tolerance, and democracy.
It is viewed as a new form of racism whereby Muslims, an ethno-religious group, not a race, are nevertheless constructed as a race.A set of negative assumptions are made of the entire group to the detriment of members of that group. During the 1990's many sociologists and cultural analysts observed a shift in forms of prejudice from ones based on skin colour to ones based on notions of cultural superiority and otherness.
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Salaam website:
An excellent definition also appears on the Salaam website written by "al-Maktabi":
"the term 'Islamophobia' does not adequately express the full range and depth of antipathy towards Islam and Muslims in the West today. It is an inadequate term.""A more accurate expression would be 'anti-Islamic racism' for it combines the elements of dislike of a religion and active discrimination against the people belonging to that religion."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002584.html
Can you see what Im saying?
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DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 03:31 PM
Cancerrg, I only have love for you my friend  IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 03:37 PM
Isn't Lioneye entitled to believe whatever she does about Islam? Inasmuch as you are entitled to think she's off her rocker about the very same issue?I mean, I personally do not think that Lioneye is an Islamophobe, but even if she were, I believe that is her right, just as much as it's your right to think she's full of it. People here (not you, but others) have come out and fully ridiculed Christianity, posted pictures of its most revered icon in a variety of offensive poses. Hell there's even been videos posted of a psuedo Jesus getting hit by a bus, to which all laughed. Point is, simply stated: if it's ok to bash on one religion, it's ok to bash on all of them. I personally don't think it's cool to bash on any. (But I also don't think that a rational discussion on the drawbacks of a religion or its dogmatic flaws is the same as "bashing" it.) IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 03:43 PM
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Isn't Lioneye entitled to believe whatever she does about Islam? Inasmuch as you are entitled to think she's off her rocker about the very same issue?
Her comments are not the same thing as ridiculing a religion. Her remarks were attacks on me and what I believe. I take this very personally. I think her remarks were worse than being called a wh@re. Her rampant generalizations are racist in nature and only inspires hate. IP: Logged |
Isis
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 03:52 PM
I just think she's entitled to think your religion sucks or an element of your religion or the extreme version of it... And you are entitled to feel offended and/or think America sucks.I'm sorry maybe it's the Libra in me, but I just think everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want so long as they don't encroach on the rights of others to have their own beliefs. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 03:55 PM
No this doesn't have to do with the Libra in you.If that were the case you would be for fairness and justice. But you are not. If we use your type of logic VL would still be here wouldnt she? Why wasn't VL allowed her rights to say as she feels? Lioneye's insults to me are worse than VL's insults to you. IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 03:56 PM
Then I guess we just have hugely differing ideas of what fairness and justice is. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 03:58 PM
It's a relief to know you are not in the field of law or in politics. (I hope)IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 03:59 PM
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Why wasn't VL allowed her rights to say as she feels?
If I feel you are a wh@re, is that ok to say? Just tell me right now and I'll start calling you one and you can tell me that's ok. quote:
Lioneye's insults to me are worse than VL's insults to you.
So says you. When you have your own messageboard you can determine what is and is not ok. I made a complaint to Randall and VL is gone. If you think that is wrong, take it up with Randall, not me. IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:00 PM
<edit> It's sad that you can't even agree to disagree, you just gotta keep going and being insulting.P!ss off if you want to argue, or take it up with someone else. I'm not gonna go in circles with you cause you have a wild hair up your ass about how some people think extreme Islam sucks. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 04:01 PM
Well do you believe it? Do you think people are that gullible to believe what VL said?The difference is people believe what Lioneye says about me, things which are not true. And I have had attacks by other people because of this. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 04:04 PM
Well who called you over to debate what Im insulted about?There is nothing to debate. Her comments are racist. Her comments inspire hate towards me and Muslims in general, particularly those who do not agree with the wars. IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:04 PM
I will continue this discussion but not if you're gonna make snotty comments like: It's a relief to know you are not in the field of law or in politics. (I hope)I'm not going to be baited into a name calling session with you. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 856
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:09 PM
Daydreamer, my buckwheat has been pooped in too, many times. As a Christian I`ve watched Jesus be portrayed in a few ugly displays. Ugly to ME yet obviously not to the portrayer. I`ve been called names too, does Jesus Police,cult peep or Bible thumper sound very nice to a Christian speaking out on the subject?? Is it a lie or truth & according to who?? If we have the fortitude to speak out for our beliefs, we`d better be ready to handle the outcome. We Teach by example! ------------------
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pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:13 PM
One cannot have a rationale discussion with DayDreamer. She isn't rationale and cannot accept that people do not have to adore Islam and can infact hate it with a purple passion.That doesn't make them racist. Questioning a religion may make the person that adores that religion feel bad, but it isn't unethical, immoral or against the law in any way, shape or form. I have noticed something about you DayDreamer, EVERY time someone tries to have a serious dialog and EVEN when someone posts the good and bad about Islam, you freak out and call them names. Then you pretend that you don't call them names. Get it together or people will start to discredit you wholesale. Stating there are major flaws in Islam (as an opinion) is not the equivalent of being called a woman of loose morals that sleeps with anyone on the planet (and that woman would be punished by death in some Islamic counteries). IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 22, 2006 04:14 PM
Ok, DD I will be more tactful and show restraint in the future. But that doesn't mean I won't express outrage at what I see as gross injustices - regardless of the religion of the perpetrators. Especially if the perpetrators justify the unjustifiable with their religion. They are the ones who lay that card on the table in the first place. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 04:15 PM
Juniper,
What do you do when people make assumptions and lie about who you are and what you believe?
What do you do about people who call you a terrorist? What do you do about people that say you are part of a death cult. What do you do about people that spread malicious things about your beliefs? That your beliefs sponsor death, murder, rape, and the most vilest things? Do you sit there, keep quiet and just look pretty. How do you teach by example when people only have unfounded hate and make hateful commments for what you follow and believe in? I care not to talk to or associate with such people, and would prefer to keep on with my business. How do you do that when they keep pestering you? IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:20 PM
I wish the search function worked. We could pull up all the examples of people bashing on and ridiculing Christianity...and let me assure you the examples are plethoric - the responses to that generally vary from silence to outrage, with the original poster/insulter and their supporters always saying pretty much, "get over it". But as for examples of how to deal with such things I will leave that to the ever-wise Juni. She is generally far less volatile than the rest of us. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 22, 2006 04:23 PM
Oi - Ok, maybe we need to give the perverted version of Islam a new name, so as to distiguish it from the version of your faith. I thought death-cult Islam was a good name, but you took offence to that. So, you think of a name then. And you need to stop defending that other version, so we can clearly remove you from any association with it. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 856
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:25 PM
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What do you do when people make assumptions and lie about who you are and what you believe?What do you do about people who call you a terrorist? What do you do about people that say you are part of a death cult. What do you do about people that spread malicious things about your beliefs? That your beliefs sponsor death, murder, rape, and the most vilest things?
As an American Christian, I live with it on a daily basis. One has only to look at the other side of the coin to see it. The mirror reflects the same attitudes/injustices for all Religions. How do I handle it? I have Faith and Know who and what I am. NO ONE can change it with words and opinions. Our Inner Beings are all one and the same and that is what I strive to reflect upon, not the illusion of seperation based on Religion,Politics or Race.
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DayDreamer
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posted August 22, 2006 04:29 PM
Right FAITH. And I guess good Muslims in the world are just going to have to deal with it eh? Im not one to sit around and allow people to get away with attacking my beliefs and religion, whether that be by terrorists or people here that can only ridicule. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 22, 2006 04:36 PM
What beliefs of yours have been attacked? I know you won't answer that. Many of mine have been attacked by the actions and objectives of the people I speak out about. But, I should just suck it up, because you're sooo sensitive.  IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2006 04:36 PM
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And I guess good Muslims in the world are just going to have to deal with it eh?
yes`m, just as all good Jews and Christians have to 
We are tested according to our Faith,yes? The tests for all of us of late have been mighty so we must be a Faithful lot! ------------------
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