posted February 22, 2009 06:14 PM            

I appreciate you for your candid response!

Finally, somebody with Black ancestry besides me responded in this thread. Honestly,I was afraid to be slammed for expressing my feelings about the matter.

I agree with you 100 percent!

Thanks again for your straightforwardness.

Raymond

posted February 23, 2009 01:51 PM            

The cartoon under discussion is in no way racist.

But, where were all you racists, both closet and overt racists when cartoons were being circulated...in print for all the world to see, of Condoleezza Rice. Hint, you were no where to be found. Not one of you ever denounced cartoons of Rice and Thomas as being racist. At least one of those was posted on this site...one of the worst examples I've seen.

Now, this is racism, it fits the stereotype you're attempting to force into the monkey mold and it's from the left...as usual.

So, until you can formulate an adequate response, defend this abortion of a cartoon as being anything other than overt racism...which among others, you've chosen to retain your right to "be silent" about...you can take your charges of racism and stuff them into your lower orifice(s).

posted February 23, 2009 03:42 PM            

You've missed the point completely. That cartoon nor any other was posted here as an example of racism. There was at least one cartoon posted here but not as an example of racism but as a caricature of Rice...because she's a conservative and was at the time, a minority working in the Bush administration.

Now, there are/were racist cartoons all over the biggest newspapers in America and on the Internet. Cartoons which no one who now claims the cartoon posted on this thread is racist could possibly have missed. Yet, not one member here ever posted one of those and made any comment as to the overt racism they contained. The reason is simply that they agreed with the cartoonist. Now, these very same people screech, scream, howl and shriek racism over a cartoon which is in no way racist...where they were entirely silent before.

Here's a racist cartoon straight from Jeff Danziger, syndicated by the New York Times Syndicate. Others which should be explored were penned by the mindless, leftist little geek Ted Rall. No outcry over those by leftists. There was outrage but not from leftists, not from the black community but from conservatives.

posted February 23, 2009 04:19 PM            

also..just because a democrat is racist doesn't mean that all democrats nor liberals are racist. Just because a democrat is being racist doesn't mean that he's a liberal.

That's like saying that I get annoyed with democrats making fun of Bush's speech problems because I am a conservative,Republican which I am not. I have a history of speech problems because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia and I know what it's like to be viewed as being stupid because of my speech problems. Therefore, I don't believe that people should view people as stupid because they have speech problems including President Bush. I am liberal democrat that dislikes intellectual snobs regardless of their political party,beliefs just like I am liberal democrat that dislikes racism regardless of their political party,beliefs.

Just because democrat makes fun of speech and says that he's stupid because of it doesn't mean that all democrats are intellectual snobs nor is intellectual snobbery a democrat nor a liberal thing
There are intellectuals snobs that are democrats and liberals, but not all democrats nor liberals are intellectual snobs.Just because a democrat is being an intellectual snob doesn't mean that he's a liberal.

you're logic make very little sense which is a common thing for people that generalize too much about people. Nobody in here said that racism was a conservative nor Republican thing. Nobody generalized about conservatives,Republicans being racist.

posted February 23, 2009 05:58 PM            

The fact also remains that at least one racist cartoon was posted on this forum by a leftist...not for purposes of pointing out the inherent racism it contained but rather to ridicule the person depicted in the cartoon. Not one word of protest came from even one of those who identify with democrats or ideological leftists. Not one.

posted February 23, 2009 07:32 PM            

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To all the leftist racists, those whose every waking moment is consumed by race to the point of obsession. Racism is primarily a leftist trait as evidenced by the last 8 years of cartoons of Rice, Thomas and other minorities.

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How about nowhere? I don't recall ever seeing racist cartoons directed at Rice or Thomas.

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The cartoon under discussion is in no way racist.

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In as much as you feel confident saying that, so do other people feel confident in thinking otherwise. Who decided that YOU are the judge of what is racist?

posted February 23, 2009 07:58 PM            

The Club of the Perpetually Offended routinely declare everything in our society racist. A black congressional member declared that states not taking the Porkulus package money was directed against black people...i.e., racist.

posted February 23, 2009 08:01 PM            

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You're aware of Howard Cosell's big monkey gaff, right?

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Howard Cosell along with Sean Delonas are both light years away from fitting the title of "racist".

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I could be interested in hearing how you link a monkey attack to a stimulus package attacking people. I think only time can tell if your sentiment is correct in that instance.

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You seem to be complicating the concept of the cartoon. Once again, as has been stated by jwhop several times now, the quote on the cartoon says it all. Clearly, the chimp is being portrayed as the writer of the stimulus bill, not the stimulus bill itself. It's a very simple joke. The cartoonist is simply saying whoever wrote the stimulus bill has the same level of genius as a chimpanzee.

Time can tell whether or not my sentiments are correct, but it is not the only thing that can. The Ego can too.

posted February 23, 2009 08:47 PM            

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I am black myself and the whole monkey issue is DEFINITELY a reference to blacks and Obama, at least that is how most blacks would view this.

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The words in bold are some pretty key words there. You admit that "most blacks" would see this as racist, but not all. If a compelling majority of blacks can't get behind the claims of this cartoon being racist, that fact alone puts quite a damper on those claims doesn't it?
The result is really only one of two things here: either

A) There really isn't any evidence of this cartoon being racist. Or,

B) This cartoon really is racist, but nobody other than Sharpton's masses really care enough to organize against it.

So which is it? Because I can guarantee that if this was actually a racist cartoon, all of America (not just blacks) would be enraged and the NY Post would be in much deeper trouble than it is now.

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I don't care what the cartoonist said, that is absolutely what he meant to do.

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This kind of arrogance is blinding. Not all monkeys are a reference to black people and not all cartoonists who draw a monkey as a metaphor for the U.S. Congress are racists. Some people don't see the connections they might put out there when they create something. Some people don't think about what other people might percieve or what message might be communicated to a different mindset when they make something like a drawing. They don't think about that because they're creating it with their own mindset. Not because they're racists.

posted February 24, 2009 02:23 AM            

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The words in bold are some pretty key words there. You admit that "most blacks" would see this as racist, but not all. If a compelling majority of blacks can't get behind the claims of this cartoon being racist, that fact alone puts quite a damper on those claims doesn't it?

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I think maybe you should research a little more whether black people enjoy the slightest implication that they're monkeys before you start thinking you have a damper for these claims. Maybe YouTube could help you with that.

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Not all monkeys are a reference to black people and not all cartoonists who draw a monkey as a metaphor for the U.S. Congress are racists.

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Make that "Not all monkeys are a reference to black people and not all cartoonists who draw a police-gunned-down, dead monkey as a metaphor for the U.S. Congress are racists."

"But the reaction shouldn’t be a surprise. I’d suggest that every cartoonist should make a list of every racial stereotype to avoid regarding African-Americans, and assume that every cartoon will be considered to be a metaphor for Obama — then go through the check list before putting pen to paper, like a pilot goes through a check list before taking off in his plane."

- Daryl Cagle, a political cartoonist and blogger for MSNBC.com; he is a past president of the National Cartoonists Society and his cartoons are syndicated to more than 850 newspapers, including the Tribune. http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/135863

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Some people don't think about what other people might percieve or what message might be communicated to a different mindset when they make something like a drawing. They don't think about that because they're creating it with their own mindset.

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posted February 24, 2009 05:12 AM            

And for the record, I don't claim a political party you halfwit. This is exactly why I don't participate in these wannabe political discussions. There are too many armchair politicians who are experts at copy and pasting there favorite bullschiesse from their favorite bullschiesse artist (cough cough Jgwop).

If anyone doesn't believe this weak-minded individual who calls himself jwip isn't a Michael Savage clone, tune into Savage's show and see for yourself. In the northeast, it's on 710 AM WOR at 4pm EST. But I bid you fair warning, this Savage idiot is one of the most nacisistic, self-absorbed, racist, far-right, radical neocons out there, who regurlarly spews such hatred as "we have to save the middle aged white male in America who is in danger of becoming extinct.". I assume jpuppet copycat feels the same.

And please jpuppet, don't assume my nonreply to any of your future horseschit as a copout but rather a decision not to participate in your Savage nuthuggery.

posted February 24, 2009 09:54 AM            

For those here and elsewhere who are not black but buy into and attempt to spread the notion black people are a form of monkey or chimp, I'm not responsible for that either, you are.

To me, a monkey is just a monkey, a chimp is just a chimp and black people are neither one...nor is any other race. Still, if you insist on carrying those associations in your minds and permit enablers to enable you in your outrage when you see a depiction of a monkey or chimp and self identify with that depiction, then, I'm not responsible for that either.

I'm a hell of a lot more focused on and interested in what people actually do..and say than the color of their skin.

To me, the cartoon in question is crystal clear. The analysis NosiS made of the cartoon and what it meant is both right and clear.

posted February 24, 2009 10:10 AM              

I grew up imagining the stereotypes of my community as money harding businessmen was derogatory - then i grew up.

And found out that the stereotypes were not only true - they were a gift from my community .

And i fail to see how anyone stressing that stereotype can hurt me unless i imagine it in my head to do so.

posted February 24, 2009 01:25 PM            

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Venusdeindia, I have forwarded all your posts in this forum along with your picture to authorities at US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services with the sincere hope they revoke any Visa they have allowed you, and deport you back to where you have come from. This way you can worship that snake you found in your window and spew all the hate you want from your homeland. Lord knows we absolutely DO NOT need any more people like you in this country as we have enough here already that must be dealt with.

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What gotgemini exhibited besides being a case of xenophobia is also case of modern liberalism which differs much from classic liberalism. IMO, all modern liberal americans are socialists. VDI has every right to speak her point of view with no fear. In this country many years ago, it used to be treason to show any form of killing of the president. But not anymore and therefore Delano could dare such cartoons which is so open to interpretation. That is why I said earlier, "Now, who is coward?".

VDI please ignore gotgemini - she is the kind of person who got Obama elected. Ever remember how "Joe the plumber's" privacy was breached by a liberal in Ohio and all she got was few weeks suspension?

Check this out www.howobamagotelected.com

and see what a shame the diretion the country has gone into.

Some of his supporters are p1ssed because ever since he is in office he has created records of all sorts say when it comes to stock indexes. Check out SAP index if you can. These liberals are known to throw more money into a problem when all it needs is a solution. These liberals cannot create any wealth but soak in their bath tub of misery and jealousy and fake love. They have made their host country poor in which ever country they reside in. As conservatives we should break away from this viral crowd mentality and be more individualistic.

I have experience of these "liberals" on other forums that I visit occassionally. And even the moderators of those sites belittle Stalin and Hitler when it comes to freedom of speech. Also the Rabbis of "Amish community" is better who only warns you not to gossip, than some 2 celled liberal brains here who threatens you with consequences if you engage in any. They are so full of drama and crap.

GU is great and we must really thank Randall for allowing us to vent, rant, ramble or whatever.

Its so healthy.

posted February 24, 2009 01:44 PM            

of course venus is entitled to her opinion. she can say whatever she likes but she considers anyone who says different to be braindead devil's commie spawn - guess what, those people also have a right to their opinion and to express it!!