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26taurus
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posted December 02, 2007 11:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nearly all the best things that came to me in life have been unexpected, unplanned by me.

- Carl Sandburg

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posted December 02, 2007 12:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fault is in the blamer

Spirit sees nothing to criticize

- Rumi

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posted December 02, 2007 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daughters of Nyx the goddess of Night, or Erda the Earthmother, they are called Moirai or Erinyes or Norms or Graiai or Triple-faced Hekate, and they are three in form and aspect: the three lunar phases. The promising waxing crescent, the fertile full face and the sinister dark of the moon are in mythic image the thee guises of woman: maiden, fruitful wife, old crone. Clotho weaves the thread, Lachesis measures it, and Atropos cuts it, and the gods themselves are bound by these three, for they were first out of inchoate Mother Night, before Zeus and Apollo brought the revelation of man's eternal and incorruptible spirit out of the sky.

The spindle (of the universe) turns on the knees of Necessity;
and on the upper surface of each circle is a siren,
who goes round with them, hymning a single tone or note.
The eight together form one harmony;
and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band,
three in number, each sitting upon her throne:
these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity,
who are clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads.

[~ Plato, 'The Spindle of Necessity" THE REPUBLIC]

Plato's intricate geometric vision of the cosmos, with Necessity and the Fates enthroned at the centre governing all, is echoed by Aeschylos in Prometheus Bound:

Chorus: Who guides the helm, then, of Necessity?
Prometheus: Fates triple-formed, Erinyes unforgetting.
Chorus: Is Zues, then, weaker in his might than these?
Prometheus: Not even He can escape the thing decreed.

And the philosopher Heraclitus, in the Cosmic Fragments,
declares with less than his usual ambiguity:

Sun will not overstep his measures;
if he does, the Erinyes,
the minions of Justice,
will find him out.

Greek thought, as Russell states, is full of fate. It can, of course, be argued that these sentiments are the expressions of an archaic culture or world view which died two thousand years ago, prolonged through the medieval epoch because of ignorance of the natural universe, and that we know better now. In one sense this is true, but one of the more important and disturbing insights of depth psychology is the revelation that the mythic and undifferentiated consciousness of our ancestors, which animated the natural world with images of gods and daimones, does not belong to chronological history alone. It also belongs to the psyche of modern man, and represents a stratum which, although layered over by increasing consciousness and the hyper-rationality of the last two centuries, is as potent as it was two millenia ago or even ten millenia ago. Perhaps it is even more potent because its only voice now is the neglected dream-world of childhood, and the incubae and succubae of the night which are better forgotten in the clear ligth of morning. We understand, from our much more sophisticated knowledge of the physical universe, that the sun is not a 'he', and that it is not the snake-tressed screaming Erinyes who prevent it from overstepping its measures. At least, the ego understands: which is to say, that is only one way of looking at it.

The language of myth is still, as ever, the secret speech of the inarticulate human soul; and if one has learned to listen to this speech with the heart, then it is not surprising that Aeschylos and Plato and Heraclitus are eternal voices and not merely relics of a bygone and primitive era. Perhaps it is now more than ever important to hear these poetic visions of the orderly nature of the universe, because we have grown so dangerously far from them. The mythic perception of a universe governed by immutable moral as well as physical law is alive and well in the unconscious, ans so too are the Erinyes, the 'minions of Justice'. Fate, in the writings of the Greeks, is portrayed in images which are psychologically relevant to us. Fate in the archaic imagination is, of course, that which writes the irrevocable law of the future: beginnings and endings which are the inevitable products of those beginnings. This implies an orderly pattern of growth, rather than a random caprice ro chance. It is only the limits of human consciousness which prevent us from perceiving the full implications of a beginning, so that we are unable to foresee the inescapable end. The second cnetury gnostic text, the Corpus Hermeticum, phrases this with beautiful succinctness:

And so these two, Fate and Necessity,
are bound to one another mutually,
to inseperable cohesion.
The former of them, Heimarmene,
gives birth to the beginning of things.
Necessity compels the end of all depending from these principles.
On these does Order follow,
that is their warp and woof,
and times perfection of all things.
For there is naught without the interblend of Order.


-- Liz Greene "The Astrology of Fate"

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posted December 04, 2007 02:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great quote! Thanks for sharing.

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posted December 04, 2007 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"is as potent as it was"

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posted December 07, 2007 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Few people think more than two or three times a year;
I have made an international reputation for myself
by thinking once or twice a week."

~ George Bernard Shaw

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posted December 07, 2007 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation.

The man who writes about himself and his own time is the only man who writes about all people and all time.

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.

Silence is the most perfect expression of scorn.

It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid.


~ G.B. Shaw

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posted December 07, 2007 01:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Miracles, in the sense of phenomena we cannot explain, surround us on every hand: life itself is the miracle of miracles.
George Bernard Shaw

Most people do not pray; they only beg.
George Bernard Shaw

A gentleman is one who puts more into the world than he takes out.
George Bernard Shaw


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posted December 07, 2007 01:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The art of being wise is the art of knowing what to overlook.
- William James

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posted December 07, 2007 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great many people think they are thinking
when they are really rearranging their prejudices.

-- William James

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posted December 07, 2007 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At 18 our convictions are hills from which we look;
At 45 they are caves in which we hide.
- F. Scott Fitzgerald

The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
- Flannery O'Connor

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posted December 07, 2007 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many years ago, there lived an emperor who was quite an average fairy tale ruler, with one exception: he cared much about his clothes. One day he heard from two swindlers named Guido and Luigi Farabutto that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position.

Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the cloth, the emperor first sent two of his trusted men to see it. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the cloth and so praised it. All the townspeople had also heard of the cloth and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.

The emperor then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. He was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid.

Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the emperor, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until a small child said:

"But he has nothing on!"

This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the emperor had nothing on. The emperor heard it and felt that they were correct, but held his head high and finished the procession.


-- Wikipedia

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posted December 07, 2007 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I discovered that I scream the same way whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White
or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot."

- Axl Rose (Pisces)

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posted December 07, 2007 06:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"A little madness in the Spring Is wholesome even for the King."

Emily Dickinson

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How hard it is to escape from places. However carefully one goes they hold you - you leave little bits of yourself fluttering on the fences - like rags and shreds of your very life.

~Katherine Mansfield

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posted December 07, 2007 06:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have nothing to say, I am saying it, and that is poetry.

John Cage

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posted December 07, 2007 06:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When an ordinary man attains knowledge, he is a sage; when a sage attains understanding, he is an ordinary man.
Zen Saying

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posted December 07, 2007 08:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment."
— Rumi

"It takes a long time to understand nothing."
— Edward Dahlberg

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"Even a good thing isn’t as good as nothing."
— Zen saying

"In the end one only experiences oneself."
— Nietzsche

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posted December 07, 2007 09:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

One must be aware that one is continually being tested in what one wishes most in order to make clear whether one's heart is on earth or in heaven.

Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan

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posted December 07, 2007 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A person is not called father, unless he has produced a son, similarly, one has no right to be called a guru unless guru’s disciple has acquired Self-knowledge. To give Self-knowledge is the only job of a guru....

A guru should never desire to have many chelas just to run and support guru’s Ashram. A guru who has desire to obtain money from chelas to run his organization becomes a slave to money or a slave to his rich chela. One who has desires --- desire to make money, have chelas, build Ashram, to get fame --- cannot save himself let alone to save the chela.

A person who expects anything from you --- including money, respect, obedience --- cannot be your guru, but your chela only! A real saint does not need anything from anybody and does not want to become a guru. His only desire is the welfare of all,... A real guru does not want one to obey him, but obey the scriptures.... How many chelas do you know who have a guru and have realized the Self? One cannot see any difference among the people who have a guru and those who don’t.

Until one has the capability to save the chela, one should never be a guru, because if a guru cannot save his chela, guru incurs sin for sure. The guru who lets chela wash his feet, eat the leftover from the guru’s dinner plate, worship his/her picture is certainly leading towards his own as well as chela’s downfall. Such gurus neither help the chela nor let the chela go elsewhere to another guru. It’s like going to a shop, paying the money, but not getting the goods. If one becomes a guru, then he must help chela realize the Self, otherwise one has no right to be a guru.

[sanskrit verse]

This verse from Guru-Gita says that there are many gurus who take away the money from the chela, but very few who removes the darkness of ignorance from the chela....

At present it has become a profession to become a guru. These days guru and chela both are greedy and both get drowned like they are sitting in a boat made of stone. A chela goes to a guru who is famous so that he can boast when someone asks who your guru is...

In Vedantic philosophy Vivek is power of the intellect that distinguishes between the visible world and the invisible reality. I always advise people to go to a satsang and use the power of intellect and discrimination, vivek, instead of getting trapped by a human guru.

- Swami Ramsukh Das

http://www.gita-society.com/section2/2_aboutgurus.htm

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posted December 07, 2007 09:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bravo!

"A real saint does not need anything from anybody and does not want to become a guru."

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“We cannot learn real patience and tolerance from a guru or a friend. They can be practiced only when we come in contact with someone who creates unpleasant experiences. According to Shantideva, enemies are really good for us as we can learn a lot from them and build our inner strength."”

Dalai Lama

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"Rajneesh/Osho is the worst thing that ever happened to spirituality in the west. He rode herd over a mob of naive, idealistic spiritual seekers, but definitely lacked the traits of an enlightened master.

"Enlightened masters are not drug addicts. They do not turn Dharma on its head -- like calling "sannyasins" those who adopt a path exactly opposite of Indian sannyas. They generally don't get arrested and have their mug shots taken, and ignomiously deported -- especially the Indian saints. (Christ was one notable historical exception to this rule.) A true saint, by his spiritual power, is never humiliated or bested. He has sufficient merit to receive protection and is honored in his lifetime.

"More to the core, an enlightened master does not encourage his disciples to abandon time-honored moral norms -- especially the dharma concerning sex restraint. Osho was basically a kind of pimp who used the base desires of average people, along with their beautiful hunger for real spirituality, to build a financial empire and a following of worshippers who would do whatever he asked.

"When I think back about that 'baby boomer generation' of sincere spiritual seekers -- all those intelligent, skilled young men and women of European descent like me -- it makes me so sad. What a harvest of potential saints that was! How much good might have arisen if all those young, idealistic westerners could have fallen in with a legitimate spiritual master -- say, a Vivekananda or a Ramakrishna. We will never know! I look at them today, and their condition, and they have missed the boat.

"Thousands of sincere western seekers were misled and harmed by the novel teachings of Osho. I have seen many of them in the aftermath. They always lack the satvic glow that comes from yogic sex restraint; they look like spent rakes aged well beyond their actual years. Even in their age -- when they might show some spiritual attainment -- many still crave sex, and all the ordinary base things. Despite Osho's "indulgence technique," they never got over sex addiction and lust.

"This was one of the Big Lies that Osho told: That by indulging your sex desire you would transcend it. The great sages of Yoga spoke the real and opposite truth: You get over sexual lust not by feeding it, but by restraining it until you encounter the higher thrill of meditative bliss. Meanwhile, it is only that renunciation -- the storing of the sexual energy -- that enables one to contact the transcendental bliss. This has been the message of the sages through all time, including Lord Buddha, who was frequently ripped off by "the Bhagwan." Osho's teachings, though sprinkled here and there with mystical truths, were dead wrong in the most basic ways, and ultimately spiritually destructive.

"The proof is in the pudding. Christ said that one can know a true Master by the "fruit" that emerges from him. Through his disciples Osho gave us moral and family breakdown, drug addiction, a disturbed childhood for many, and crime -- even terrorism. Osho set Yoga back in the west perhaps hundreds of years.

"The saddest thing is what happened to all those children of Osho followers. Osho wanted them to grow up not knowing who their Fathers were; raised by a mob, with no particular person as Parent. I can't think of anything much more ignorant, or more cruel. Krishnamurti was right:
Osho was a criminal."

-- Julian Lee
http://rajneesh.info

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posted December 07, 2007 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to think that the early Acharya Rajneesh would have approved of my essay, but who can say for sure. For those who suggest I am not being loyal to Osho, I counter that I am honestly trying to be loyal to Acharya Rajneesh, the man I took sannyas from, not Osho. He was a man I still deeply love and respect. But that Acharya Rajneesh died along time before Osho was even born and the two men were as different as day and night.

My message to letter writers is to go ahead and write me. You can vent anger or thank me, but neither will have much effect on me as I have heard it all before, from both sides. I can only sigh and ask myself how Acharya Rajneesh, who started out as an anti-guru extraordinaire, ended up as he did with this current crop of disciples. Perhaps it shows that power does corrupt and that the means rarely justifies the ends.

In the end where is meditation in all of this? "Color Puncture," "Tantric Tarot Readings," encounter groups, and every phony crackpot scam in the book is being peddled by Osho disciples for large sums of money. But what about meditation? Then I think back to the day when the just turned 40 year old Acharya wisely instructed a friendly Japanese woman, who was starting a new Rajneesh meditation center in Tokyo, that "Meditation must not be made into a business." The corrupt means have gotten so far out of hand that the original intent of the ends, Acharya Rajneesh's original noble vision, has long been forgotten by many, but not by me.

-- Christopher Calder
http://rajneesh.info/

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posted December 08, 2007 11:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The bartender who isn't a fool is a philosopher, and the bartender who isn't a philosopher is a fool."

I just spent the last four hours talking to...wait a minute, listening to, a seventy-five year old man with one of the thickest southern accents i've ever heard...
or tried to decipher rather.
I fell in love with him and i'm oh so tired now.

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