posted June 25, 2006 12:16 AM              

Blessings sit strangely beside soul battles.

I don't know if I have ever felt so sinful.

I want to wear the knowledge of my sin as a badge of righteousness.

I polish it, unfix my hair in its reflection.

I wait for Jesus to stand me up (again).

"People grieve and bemoan themselves, but it is not half so bad with them as they say. There are moods in which we court suffering, in the hope that here at least we shall find reality, sharp peaks and edges of truth. But it turns out to be scene-painting and counterfeit. The only thing grief has taught me is to know how shallow it is. That, like all the rest, plays about the surface, and never introduces me into reality, for contact with which we would even pay the costly price of sons and lovers. Was it Boscovich who found out that bodies never come in contact? Well, souls never touch their objects. An innavigable sea washes with silent waves between us and the things we aim at and converse with. Grief too will make us idealists. In the death of my son, now more than two years ago, I seem to have lost a beautiful estate, -- no more. I cannot get it nearer to me. If tomorrow I should be informed of the bankruptcy of my principle debtors, the loss of my property would be a great inconvenience to me, perhaps, for many years; but it would leave me as it found me, -- neither better nor worse. So it is with this calamity; it does not touch me; something which I fancied was a part of me, which could not be torn away without tearing me nor enlarged without enriching me, falls off from me and leaves no scar. It was caducous. I grieve that grief can teach me nothing, nor carry me one step into real nature. The Indian who was laid under a curse that the wind should not blow on him, nor water flow to him, nor fire burn him, is a type of us all. The dearest events are summer-rain, and we the Para coats that shed every drop. Nothing is left us now but death. We look to that with a grim satisfaction, saying, There at least is a reality that will not dodge us.

I take this evanescence and lubricity of all objects, which lets them slip through our fingers then when we clutch hardest, to be the most unhandsome part of our condition. Nature does not like to be observed, and likes that we should be her fool and playmates. We may have the sphere for our cricket-ball, but not a berry for our philosophy. Direct strokes she never gave us power to make; all our blows glance, all our hits are accidents. Our relations to each other are oblique and casual.

Dream delivers us to dream, and there is no end to illusion. Life is a train of moods like a string of beads, and as we pass through them they prove to be many-colored lenses which paint the world their own hue, and each shows only what lies in their focus. From the mountain you see the mountain. We animate what we can, and we see only what we animate. Nature and books belong to the eyes that see them. It depends on the mood of the man whether he shall see the sunset or the fine poem. There are always sunsets, and there is always genius; but only a few hours so serene that we can relish nature or criticism. The more or less depends on structure or temperament. Temperament is the iron wire on which the beads are strung. Of what use is fortune or talent to a cold and defective nature? Who cares what sensibility or discrimination a man has at one time shown, if he falls asleep in his chair? or if he laugh or giggle? or if he apologize? or is infected with egotism? or thinks of his dollar? or cannot go buy food? or has gotten a child in his boyhood? Of what use is genius, if the organ is too convex or too concave and cannot find a focal distance within the actual horizon of human life? Of what use, if the brain is too cold or too hot, and the man does not care enough for results to stimulate him to experiment, and hold him up in it? or if the web is too finely woven, too irritable by pleasure and pain, so that life stagnates from too much reception without due outlet? Of what use to make heroic vows of amendment, if the same old law-breaker is to keep them? What cheer can the religious sentiment yeild, when that is suspected to be secretly dependent on the seasons of the year and the state of the blood? I knew a witty physician who found the creed in the biliary duct, and used to affirm that if there was disease in the liver, the man became a Calvinist, and if that organ was sound, he became a Unitarian. Very mortifying is the reluctant experience that some unfriendly excess or imbecility neutralizes the promise of genius. We see young men who owe us a new world, so readily and lavishly they promise, but never acquit the debt; they die young and dodge the account; or if they live they lose themselves in the crowd.

Temperament also enters fully into the system of illusions and shuts us in a prison of glass which we cannot see. There is an optical illusion about every person we meet. In truth they are all creatures of given temperament, which will appear in a given character, whose boundaries they will never pass; but we look at them, they seem alive, and we presume there is impulse in them. In the moment it seems impulse; in the year, in the lifetime, it turns out to be a certain uniform tune which the revolving barrel of the music-box must play. Men resist the conclusion in the morning, but adopt it as the evening wears on, that temper prevails over everything of time, place and condition, and is inconsumable in the flames of religion. Some modifications the moral sentiment avails to impose, but the individual texture holds its dominion, if not to bias the moral judgements, yet to fix the measure of activity and enjoyment.... Temperament puts all divinity to rout."

posted June 25, 2006 12:26 AM              

we have the Free Wi11 to change. .

Peace on Earth..Our promise for tomorrow
made at the beginning..of each..beginning
and thn fall..and beginning. .

it's up to US. . . .

posted June 26, 2006 02:08 PM            

"We animate what we can, and we see only what we animate."

"There is an optical illusion about every person we meet. In truth they are all creatures of given temperament, which will appear in a given character, whose boundaries they will never pass; but we look at them, they seem alive, and we presume there is impulse in them."

Another gift... I didn't know I liked Ralph Waldo Emerson until today...

posted June 26, 2006 05:37 PM              

Dream delivers us to dream, and there is no end to illusion. Life is a train of moods like a string of beads, and as we pass through them they prove to be many-colored lenses which paint the world their own hue, and each shows only what lies in their focus. From the mountain you see the mountain.

Temperament also enters fully into the system of illusions and shuts us in a prison of glass which we cannot see. There is an optical illusion about every person we meet. In truth they are all creatures of given temperament, which will appear in a given character, whose boundaries they will never pass; but we look at them, they seem alive, and we presume there is impulse in them. In the moment it seems impulse; in the year, in the lifetime, it turns out to be a certain uniform tune which the revolving barrel of the music-box must play. "

posted June 27, 2006 09:40 AM              

"your joy is your sorrow unmasked.
and the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.
and how else can it be?
the deeper that sorrow carves into your being,the more joy you can contain.
is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potters oven?
and is not the lute that soothes your spirit,the very wood that was hollowed with knives?
when you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.
when you are sorrowful look again into your heart,and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.
some of you say "joy is greater than sorrow", and others say "nay, sorrow is the greater."
but i say unto you, they are inseparable.
togather they come, and when one sits with you at your board, remember the other is asleep upon your bed.
verily you are suspended like scales between your sorrow and your joy.
only when you are empty are you at standstill and balanced.
when the treasure-keeper lifts you to weigh his gold and his silver, needs must your joy or your sorrow rise or fall."

THE PROPHET:KAHLIL GIBRAN

posted June 28, 2006 04:53 AM              

MysticMelody,

Emerson is the sh--.

I dont see that we are in a position
to know whether we stand at the
Nexus Point, so to speak,
or if our very transcendence is determined
within the dynamics of a greater program.

I agree, the part has no purpose/meaning
removed from the whole...

But, to imagine personal autonomy,
it seems, would be to do just that;
to imagine oneself as separate from the whole,
as if one were "outside",
acting upon the whole and upon oneself,
with perfect omnipotence and omniscience.

If there is any part of us which is not
omnipotent or omniscient,
it will be that which determines
the nature and extent of our pursuits.

But I am weary (and wary) of philosophy.

lotusheartone,

That is beautiful,
but I must disagree.

The very phenomenon of choice
presupposes the absence of freedom.

I wish I could make this clearer.

Choices are not free,
but are made for this reason or that.
Reasons precede choices,
and therefore cannot be chosen.

Unless I am God,
I am subject to God.
But, if I were God,
I would not choose to live as a man,
and to forget that I am God.

I am not God.
But, like all things
(my will included)
I am from God.

((I think it was Jesus who said that.))

I dont know why belief in "free will"
is so popular these days,
when there is no evidence or argument
offered in support of it;
just plenty of new age heresay.

It seems to appear only to the wide-eyed,
and disappears when so much as squinted at.
Perhaps, it is a matter of faith,
and is absurd only when one attempts
to fit it into the narrow confines of logic.
If this is the case,
I wish people would realize and confess it.
It would save me some breath.
After all, one cannot debate an article of faith.

26taurus,

Long time no see.
I hope you are well.

I like the passages you site.
I only wanted to type out a little,
but its just all so good,
I couldnt stop myself.

This is my favorite part:

"An innavigable sea washes... between us and the things we aim at..."

Hey,
you're cordially invited to
check out my space: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49251475

Devilfish,

I love the prophet.
Very timely selections.
Thank you.
You always reach me.

I think Gibran had a perfect trine
between his Sun in Capricorn
and Neptune in Taurus.
How cool would that be?

take care all,
hsc

------------------

"Your faces are beautiful,
but they are wooden masks.

You had better run from me.
My words are fire."

- Rumi

"Advice doesnt help lovers!
This is not the kind of mountain stream
you can build a damn across."

- Rumi

posted June 28, 2006 06:43 AM              

God always enters into equal partnerships..
God MOther and Father..created
so each female represents MOther
each male represents Father

we are all their children..and equal

yes..choice..we chose to come to Earth
we chose who we would be..for best learning
and then
the choice to accept..your purpose
Free Will Choice..

I don't have to be here writing..and sharing..I could walk away
when things get nasty and bad

But..then I would not be fulfilling my purpose..for we each came to Earth
for a reason..

connecting from Mind to Higher-Self to OverSoul=God..then you will just know
and understand..why. ...

posted June 28, 2006 09:46 AM              

perfect trine ,interesting, off to look up his chart..............TY for the tip.

posted June 28, 2006 10:00 AM              

Do you think he came in, saw you and left?

Sorry to be flippant but that sprang into my head reading this line....you know, when you get stood up and people say that???

Sorry, I wasn't belittling or, you know, making fun of your, as always, enchanting verse.

HSC m'big love I do enjoy reading your posts. I don't always understand you but I do feel you. Ah conflict. Conflict, conflict, conflict. How shall I feel today? Which of my zillion emotions should I act upon?

Call your thread.....
........
....
Gosh I too don't know!!

posted June 28, 2006 01:01 PM              

Hi.

I have difficulty believing I am equal to God,
although, I think that belief might be
either highly beneficial to forming
a connection with God,
or highly detrimental.
Not sure.
I tend to distrust "ideas" about the nature of God.
I like this one, tho:
"God is and is not." - the Upanishads

We may choose to come to Earth,
but I dont think the alternative
is to dwell in paradise, do you?
I think we must have reasons for
choosing to come here.
And no good reasons for choosing
not to come here,
otherwise, we wouldnt come here.

"I don't have to be here writing..and sharing..I could walk away
when things get nasty and bad"

No, you couldn't.
Someone else could.
But people are different.
It is because of your make-up
that you are compelled
to remain here,
although it appears to you
subjectively as a choice.
Ultimately, you would not feel good
if you left, but you feel good
when you stay and speak your truth.
That is why you do it.
For the same reason a determined mouse "chooses"
to fight for a piece of cheese,
rather than walk away.

"But..then I would not be fulfilling my purpose..for we each came to Earth
for a reason.."

Exactly, you feel compelled to live
in accordance with what you deem to be
your purpose.
Some do not.
They make their choice based on
a different set of criterea,
and under different circumstances -
this is why their choice
is DIFFERENT.
It is not arbitrarily chosen,
out of some nebulous "free will",
but is chose according to reason
and circumstance.

"connecting from Mind to Higher-Self to OverSoul=God..then you will just know
and understand..why. ..."

Yes, but, until you make that connection,
there is no higher understanding,
and no such higher choice is possible.
Neither is it your choice to
make that connection, but,
it happens when it is ready,
according to the natural unfoldment
of universal, spiritual laws.

The seed cannot blossom.
It can only sprout a stem.
Only a bud can blossom,
and only a stem can grow into a bud.

We wait upon the grace of God.
All things come in God's time,
not our own.

"Not mine, but THY will be done."

Also, I'm kind of sorry about that
"wide-eyed" comment.
I had trouble getting to sleep
because of it, and thought
of coming down here and deleting it,
but I am still unsure of how I feel about that.
I wasn't trying to be nasty.
I suppose I was a little intoxicated
with making my point,
and that "wide-eyed/squinting" idea
really struck me as a poignant analogy.
I knew it might sting for you to hear it,
but I still thought it was probably the right thing.
I was being my honest self,
and having more regard for truth,
than for persons.
But, I am still unsure.
I like to express myself emphatically
and directly (scorpio sun, mars conjunct merc in sag),
but I don't like to hurt people
(sun conjunct venus, moon in 1st house).
I am still unsure.
Perhaps I ought to have deleted it,
just becuase I was unsure.
But, then, I am unsure of EVERYthing,
and I have yet to delete myself.
Anyway, I am sorry, if that struck you as nasty.
That was far from my intention.

hsc

posted June 28, 2006 01:02 PM              

Happy hunting!
You too,
have a joyous day.

loulou -

Good question, lol.

Yes.

Jesus saw that I was not ready,
that my contrition was not absolute,
that I was still "proud of my humility",
and it is not yet time.
He left, only to purge me of that pride.

"Sorry, I wasn't belittling or, you know, making fun of your, as always, enchanting verse."

I know. Thanks for the compliment.

"I don't always understand you but I do feel you."

Thank you.
That is, at least, equally important.
And, you know, I seldom understand myself.
((Don't tell anyone!))

"Which of my zillion emotions should I act upon?"

F--ing "A".

"Gosh I too don't know."

LOL

posted June 29, 2006 06:58 AM              

"when you have found it..you will know..you will see..past..present and future..you will know thySelf..and all your incarnations..you will know Truth..and GOD..it is so. ..."

Thank you. I hope so.

Have you, personally, had this mystical experience?

If so...
Are there more insights,
or direct observations,
you could share
regarding this experience?
And could I entreat you to do so?

hsc

posted June 29, 2006 07:43 AM              

I love that movie.
I WAS that kid (Bastian).

I can relate, and subscribe,
to the analogy of a cell
in the (diseased?) liver of God.

I also can appreciate the Morla idea,
although I find it difficult
to conceptualize more than a sketch of it.
And, well, something doesn't sit right.

God, bored?

Incapable of amusing "Him/Herself"
by any other means than
with the fleeting joys
and recurring pains
of fragmented, dimly conscious
pockets of limited experience
(i.e. mortals)?

Does God have a split personality disorder?
Is God a schizo?
Or is He/She merely capricious, amoral, sadistic?

This is not encouraging.
But, then, that is no real argument
against the possibility of it's being true.

Perhaps we are still in the infancy
of our spiritual evolution,
and, just as small children regard their parents,
we are fairly incapable of envisioning
a God who is less than perfect.
Perhaps God, like many imperfect parents,
created life from Him/Herself for no better reason
than to still the boredom, malaise, ennui.
Perhaps He/She even abandoned us,
as so many imperfect parents do.

But, M,
was there a misunderstanding...
I was not suggesting that we can operate
as rogue, potentially cancerous, cells,
from "the outside".
On the contrary, it is my contention
that we can do nothing independent
of the will of God.
How that will corresponds to and contains
our personal wills, is still a mystery to me.

Returning to the affore mentioned analogy,
if only for the sake of argument, -
perhaps I am still, like a child,
unable to distinguish my own will,
from the will(s) of my progenitor(s).

I agree that many of my views are "traditional",
if you mean that they are the same views
which have been found, time and again,
in the possession of the great mystics and thinkers of all time.

"[Spiritual understanding is communicated
just as a rose imparts its fragrance;
any self-effort to assist this process,
scatters it to the winds.]"
- Mohandas K. Gandhi

In addition to these,
I would like to think that
I (be)hold a number of views
which are highly individualistic,
and for which I have discovered few,
if any, precedents.

But, at the moment,
I can't think of any.

you are full of light,

hsc

posted June 29, 2006 07:55 AM              

> Hey Steve!

Hey!!

> Great to see you too.

Thank you.

> Yes, I'm well.

> Thanks for the invite to your myspace.

You are welcome.
I think you might find some things of interest.

> I've gotten a few of those but still havent put one up. And it's funny because I was thinking about making one this week!

Coincidence? We think not!

> See you soon.

I always hope so.

> Take care.

You too, kiddo.

posted June 29, 2006 10:20 AM              

finding you..will be different than it was for me finding me..going through alot of pain..and seeing things..that you must accept..
how do I explain..
from your heart to your Mind..to higherSelf to Oversoul..all of our OverSouls..are in Heaven..each one is paired in heaven..so you have never been separated by your twin..for you are side by side in Heaven..Overseeing this mess down below..
up and out the top of your head..up high..not the lower planes, don't dilly dally..go all the way up..to the spiritual web of life..where we exist..you see many things..sometimes..a guide will meet you..show you different things..from your past..or show the future..

asking questions..just during daily routines..and waiting for answers that do surely come..out of nowhere..someOne's comment..a billboard a bumpers sticker..
answer's come all the time..ask and you shall receive..this is happening constantly..

please ask me any questions you have..I'm not sure what you really want to know..I do know..that knowing..and finding Truth..there is no more fear..for you understand..
then you have to deal with people thinking you are being superior..when in reality..all I want is for ALL..to find themSelves..
we need a miracle..an awakening of Truth...

posted June 29, 2006 09:37 PM              

Thank you for responding.

"I have spent the last year here..pouring out..my journey..for all to see.."

Me too. And how.
I'm sorry I havent tuned into your posts sooner.

I was living out my journey here,
falling more or less indiscriminately in love
with another Knowflake
(while Neptune - transiting my 1st house -
squared my sun/venus/mc/uranus stellium in Scorpio)
for all to see.
Everyone but me could see what a doomed mismatch it was.
But I made such a brave ass of myself.

I did love her.
I saw who she really was.
She was magical.
I still cant get her out of my heart/head.
But we were such different people;
the connection was highly spiritual,
but little else.
We both needed love so badly.
She left me with hardly a warning;
I guess, as soon as she got wind of it.
She knew when I had fallen in love
before I did,
and she knew when I had fallen out of love
before I did.
I've had no way to contact her.
All I do is worry (about her).

I'm sorry,
I dont know why I'm telling you this.

It sounds like you've definitely seen some things.

You said our OverSouls
are Overseeing this mess.
Are they causing/choosing it?

If so,
Why?

Do you know what happens to a soul
when the person commits suicide?

"asking questions..just during daily routines..and waiting for answers that do surely come..out of nowhere..someOne's comment..a billboard a bumpers sticker..
answer's come all the time..ask and you shall receive..this is happening constantly.."

I seem to be experiencing this,
but only intermittently.

I can't seem to incorporate my perceptions.
Like, I seem to understand that I am a vessel,
a channel.
But I constantly forget this,
and am not humble, as I should be.
I think, if I believed in free will,
I would have to accept credit and blame.
And I would not be a vessel.

Can this be reconciled?
If so, how?

And how can I develop compassion?

Is it enough to ask for it,
with a strong intention?

How do I strengthen my intention,
when compassion for others
is threatening to my personal ego?

How can I release the blocks
that block me from doing the things
(affirmations, etc.) that would release my blocks?

There's no easy answer is there?

How do I see that clearly,
so I can begin to accept it?

Please, feel free to answer any
or none of these disjointed queries.

"We need a miracle"

I know I do.
Free will would be a miracle.
As would the revelation of God's grace.

I'm trying to be open to it.
Aren't I?
Or, am I just playing games?

confusedly,
hsc

posted June 29, 2006 10:28 PM              

God Bless your sweet soul..you are very close, indeed..to the knowing..so close. ...

Our OverSOul's are trueness..is always guiding US..the Earth life produces karma..when the universal laws are not obeyed..the laws we made..with GOD Mother and Father

the thing is..this human Mind and this Earth with Gravity..caused..us to forget..and allows us to think we know better through mind and physical..but the truth is
this is the world of illusion..
we can live as lone as we choose here..it's a matter of Mind..
this mess was created by all of our actions..we must all come full circl and forgive and give Love..undertake to do all with LOve..knowing we are examples of our parents..you see
each one of us re-united to twin..is a repesentation of them
when we have evolved and achieved mastership..
when you are weary..you must find that space within you..that opens to the Love and the Light that they shine on you..always there to replenish you..
Also connection to your Oversoul (S)
the two of you are together there..

Suicide..the soul..is in a nother plane..of learning..karma can also be worked on in the spirit realm with other soul's..there is learning and growing..suicide..kind of gaurantees a ticket back to Earth..to pay karmic debts..there is no easy way around the Universal Laws..things have to be balanced out..you get what you give..

it is all so simple..that we have complicated it beyond belief..if you ask me...
Just wanting truly wanting..with pureness of heart..and time to yourSelf..to work out how you reach yourSelf..eventually..it happens naturally all the time..
it gets easier
and you get stronger
and there is no Fear..because you see and understand..how simply all of this works. .
and remember the reward of patience..
hehe..is patience

to see you through..please ask me anything..

posted June 30, 2006 03:55 AM            

I never thought you would think we should break away from God. I just "heard" something that gave me the idea that you see God as something outside of us. I'll have to look to see what you said. I'm just interested in where our differences in thought lie because we seem to share many views. I enjoy that, and also enjoy the differences. It's very nice to look at things from different perspectives.
You are not quite getting me on the "bored" part... it's just more difficult to communicate that vast of a concept without writing a chapter or so... hehe or at least a fine work of poetry.

"God, bored?

Incapable of amusing "Him/Herself"
by any other means than
with the fleeting joys
and recurring pains
of fragmented, dimly conscious
pockets of limited experience"

As above
so below

That's what came to my mind when I read that. : )

I'm not sure where this is from, but there is an old myth explaining the creation of existance. It says first there was void (the Nothing! *I am so glad you love that movie too, you should watch it again soon, or better yet, read the book, it is super cool/mystical*) and then in the middle of nothingness there was a thought, and the thought was, "I am" (I exist!).
The second thought (after bazillions of years, but since time doesn't exist/is relative.....) was:
"I'm lonely"

This simple myth strikes something inside me because I remember laying in bed at night as a child pondering what death would be like.
I used to scare myself thinking it would be like I was laying in a coffin in the dark with no way to move my body, or I wouldn't have a body, but would just be alone,
no where, no thing.
Then I would tell myself, "but you wouldn't be able to think, you would just be NOTHING!" Then I would try to wrap my mind around that.

I would try to imagine what it would be like to just not exist... but of course, if I am imagining it, I can't imagine it.

So, the thought of this nothing... and then this spark of Being... and how lonely this Being would become after eternities... that this being might begin to communicate with an "imaginary friend"/other, maybe envisioning a more receptive... (non-responsive hehe since no one is there), that reminded me of the archetypical Feminine... I figured after a bazillion more eternities these split like any cell does (as above, so below) and the basic energies or forces were created, maybe something like earth, air, fire, water or the beginnings of these. Some "cells" denser than others etc... I need to take some physics!!!
There is more but this is getting long. Maybe you see where I am going with this?
And ultimately, we are all this Being, and we CHOOSE (here is Free Will for you )
to believe in our separation in order to experience the joy of company and distraction and imagination...
the more you wish for.... the more beautiful Fantasia will become........