posted May 09, 2015 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
For LeeLoo

PM's conscious feelings for you:
judgment rev 2 of wands 6 of cups

For me this looks like a man who does not want to accept the verdict and so he nevertheless looks for an opportunity to court his love interest
i think that pm knows that he wants you back

his unconsious feelings for you:
judgment rev 8 of wands and knight of cups rev

uncons. matches with the consc.
here i see that he still has some anger issues with you he is not aware of to the complete extent.
Maybe the knight of cups show he unconsciously feels he shall approach more manly and more emotional? he would like to conquer you in a more emotional way, i think that it is

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posted May 09, 2015 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
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conscious feelings/attraction

3 of pentacles 2 of cups page of cups

unconscious/ more like subconscious lol unconscious sounds weird hahahaha

page of wands world knight of cups

on both levels, he wants to have a relationship with you, the first string: wants to try and have a serious relationship with you, really wants to try it and make it work

subconscious is aligned with conscious; with all the pages and the first pentacles maybe he is a bit unsure on how to do it, a bit shy, but the desire to do it very strong with world and knight

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posted May 09, 2015 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
and why did you have to use reversals with me, knowing I can't read them?
what is Judgment rev for you, for instance?

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i know and then i thought it works both ways then

posted May 09, 2015 02:31 PM            

Yes I do think we like each other, and maybe I was dumb and blind before, but there can`t be more than that (that awareness that we do like each other) now.

Hanged man and 4 of swords are interesting cards as to me they seem to both relate to a "timeout, pause"-phase.

posted May 09, 2015 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
not really. with the two reversals it would mean he has no "unconscious" feelings for me.

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posted May 09, 2015 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
i know and then i thought it works both ways then

Judgment rev is an indicator that a verdict will be broken, it is like fighting against it of having achieved a victory alreay

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what do you mean both ways?
to me, Judgment rev means sleeping, being dead, not "calling" wanting to call to wake up etc.

but of course, what matters is what it means to you.

posted May 09, 2015 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
that could be a possible interpretation but since the unc. matches with the consc anyway I would say he has no subconscious feelings for you but a some anger feelings

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posted May 09, 2015 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
for B

conscious

10 of cups 8 of pentacles Queen of Wands

he either sees you as the QoWands, which came up as your court card, or maybe there's another woman involved, with two "marriage" cards? and he's aware of that? anyway, he likes you, he feels happy with you, you are a breath of fresh air. if the 8 of pentacles is for you, he wants to build up your relationship

unconscious

3 of swords star wheel of fortune

powerful spread! he is evidently depressed and with a broken heart, in a process of healing, or with a strong desire to heal. for this, he is throwing himself out there in the world, trying his chances to accomplish this healing (unless it's something from the past and this broken heart left him with an adventurous, "so be it!" or looking for excitement attitude) and you are part of this powerful process of healing/seeking healing for him. he is open to whatever happens in your relationship, somehow leaving to chance and the "gods" or inspiration (star WoF). he may be quite desperate for a change, for the sake of changing, with this combo, so watch out!

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you know, i wanted to him to become my buddy and he is taken and i don't mind at all. And that is what he said: he expressed how thankful he is about or friendship and he looks forward to expand all that if we get along

posted May 09, 2015 02:38 PM            

let me do a spread for you, too.

Conscous feelings for you

King of Swords - 4 of swords - 2 of cups

Pause button. He is away in his corner pouting and licking his wounds (though of course with the King he does nto want anyone to see that), but with the 2 of cups coming up I see that he KNOWS he wants to patch it up with you again (very great card for trying again btw). And he knows he loves you and you are his match.

Subconscious
Hermit - Star - Hierophant

posted May 09, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I don't understand. feelings are not intentions, what someone wants to do, but what he feels.
With PM, everything is about feelings, he is a "feelings" person.

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posted May 09, 2015 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
i think he thinks that he wants you back and if i ask him "any things with leeloo you still are angry about"? he would reply "no" but the wands card show me that there are some anger feelings he is not aware of

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Thank you, sweetie, you are sometimes driving me crazy with the reversals but I see what you mean.

posted May 09, 2015 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you, sweetie, you are sometimes driving me crazy with the reversals but I see what you mean.

So for you, 8 of wands is anger sometimes?

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posted May 09, 2015 03:06 PM            

2 of Swords Chariot 3 of Wands

we see this theme here, you pointed out in Venus's spread (quite brilliant BTW) of being torn between two things. This conflict gives this a "just observing from a distance" attitude. However, with the Chariot in the middle, I tend to see this as a strong pull towards someone, a drive, something makes you go their way.

It is interesting that 2 of sw is actually an "unconscious" card. It sometimes says to the querent: you know the truth, it's inside, in the heart you are guarding.

Subconscious feelings:

Fool 3 of Cups 9 of Cups

haha cool spread. We see a bit of a threesome theme here as well, however the general vibe is that of very positive, happy, cheerful, carefree feelings. Someone who makes you happy, has an upbeat vibe for you, someone you would like to see again, interact with, get close, be friends, celebrate, very warm feelings, perhaps even a wish. There is a bit of a dissonance with the conscious layer, apart from the Chariot, so perhaps he is wearing a mask when interacting with you. I think he would like to know you better, to have you in his daily circle of friends.

posted May 09, 2015 03:44 PM            

"quite brilliant BTW"
Thank you.
And personally I know everything about that being internally torn myself.

" I tend to see this as a strong pull towards someone, a drive,"
That is how he acts on concerts, too. Something makes him address me, at least sort of.
Even though it`s like pushing a bit of a red button. You know when everyone tells you do NOT press this button, but it is so red and shiny, I suppose, us Sags are not doing well in NOT pushing it. lol

"It is interesting that 2 of sw is actually an "unconscious" card. It sometimes says to the querent: you know the truth, it's inside, in the heart you are guarding."
Yes, that is how I see it too. It`s not that the querent does not really know. They donīt want to know. They turn a blind eye, cause if they admitted they knew the truth, they maybe would have to decide how to deal with it.

"Fool 3 of Cups 9 of Cups"
Fun Fun Fun

Reminds me of this one here

LOL
I don`t know why I thought of this one, I really just had the melody in the back of my mind all at once, so disregard the lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCf2AkMEmyQ

It`s just fun.

" We see a bit of a threesome theme here as well,"
But for once a happy one. Party-time. lol

" however the general vibe is that of very positive, happy, cheerful, carefree feelings."
That is actually how he made me feel when he came into my life. That summer was special for me, too, cause all at once I felt so carefree again, like I remembered suddenly how I felt as a child, or maybe even what it means to feel like a Sagittarius, and just enjoy the moment though it`s not meant to last. There will be a different moment after that anyway.

That vibe, I had buried it rather deep, but it was there then. It still is.
At the end of the day, if we strip away all the overanalyzing and yes, also heartpinching, but underneath it all it just feels good to be around him, or see him or I donīt know. It just feels better than chocolate, and that is a LOT to say.

"apart from the Chariot, so perhaps he is wearing a mask when interacting with you."
Yes, he has to. But sometimes the mask slips, and sends me reeling. lol

posted May 09, 2015 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXhO5pfF0k

okay that is about the degree of my maturity today

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posted May 09, 2015 04:34 PM            

Enneline, you drew revealing cards and I thank you very much!

posted May 09, 2015 04:51 PM            

I felt like asking my cards the question you asked about in the other thread: what is the path for Ceri to find true mutual love?

Fool Page of Cups 2 of Cups

Be yourself! enjoy being yourself. Love is on your path now, already. Be playful, young and innocent, don't be afraid to show your innocence, your candor, to express your emotions and feelings in their raw form, with their candor. Don't be afraid to be a little girl. Seek to be close to the ones you like and love and to share this with them, take your cup to them, show them what you feel
I have a quote here, I think it's from an osho card, I believe it suits this spread for you: "Innocence means childlike wonder, awe. The enlightened person is one who is continuously wondering — because he knows nothing, so everything becomes again a mystery. Innocence regained is paradise regained; you enter again into the Garden of men.

JUST WATCH, BE ALERT, AND FUNCTION FROM A STATE OF INNOCENCE."

posted May 10, 2015 09:58 AM            

I do think that is the new step Child and STork were hinting at, too, in my reading on this. Opening up and being more expressive emotionally, not putting a censor on them. While I have improved in that regard decidedly, there is always more to accomplish

Though accomplish is too much of an analytical workterm, it`s just about finding joy in what I do.

I love that feeilng of wonder and awe, it feels very positive to me.