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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 07:11 AM
  
I got a bit stuck on this one, it looks intriguing.I've had this when asking how X (man) sees Y as a woman, does he find her attractive? (it's not for me, I'm not emotionally involved - well apart from not feeling so good about delivering the message - so feel free to comment openly) Is it a simple no, how would you read those? ------------------
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Aunt Anomalia
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posted May 09, 2015 07:32 AM
I think he's attracted to her strongly (Devil) but he finds her out his league/unavailable in some way/intimidating. Maybe she's very smart or acts too proper around him (Hierophant), maybe he knows she needs to heal emotionally before anything can happen (10 of Swords). 10oS could stand for his pain caused by the negative perception of his chances with her.------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 07:49 AM
She`s acting so proper that it devastates him because of this not so proper attraction to her? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 07:52 AM
That's the problem, the Devil. Is it supposed to always show strong attraction? It also means "hatred".
I see the very strong reaction here, and the classical antagonism Hierophant Devil (good vs evil, "proper" vs forbidden, traditional vs antagonistic).It could also mean : I have a type (Hierophant) and she is the very opposite of it, the exact thing I don't like (10 of sw Devil "yuck") Why not this version? What made you choose Devil as attraction, in the context? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 07:54 AM
I have never seen Devil coming up as hatred. But of course with the 10 of swords in the middle it could also mean that. Being bound (devil) by disgust or at least something really not good (10 of swords). IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 07:54 AM
Very interesting idea too, Ceri.
BTW, the question was focused on physical type, type of woman.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have never seen Devil coming up as hatred.
Really? it's a major hate card for me. What do you think stands for hate? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 07:59 AM
BTW, AA, I'm not sure Hierophant can be "out of one's league" because it represents something familiar to us, our upbringing, conformity, peer group, something you've been taught to like. Interesting point nevertheless.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 08:01 AM
Does something have to stand for hate?BTW Devil does come up as doubts, anxiety, fear, addiction, obsession and so on for me, too. so it is not always attraction.
Actually I think it depends on the surrounding cards.
Here with the 10 of swords it could actually be something nasty.
In fact I think if a negative answer in terms of feelings is to be expected, we might get some major arcanas like DEATH, JUSTICE, JUDGEMENT coupled maybe with a 5 of swords or 10 of swords. Death and 10 of swords as how he sees a woman?
She clearly is dead to him.
Or
she has an earthshatering influence on him.
For the "nah not really" I would expect more cards that i consider boring. lol
Hate is not the opposite of love, Indifference is.
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Aunt Anomalia
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posted May 09, 2015 08:01 AM
"Out of his league" would have more to do with the Devil if this card means he finds her very sexy.------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Does something have to stand for hate?BTW Devil does come up as doubts, anxiety, fear, addiction, obsession and so on for me, too. so it is not always attraction.
Actually I think it depends on the surrounding cards.
Here with the 10 of swords it could actually be something nasty.
In fact I think if a negative answer in terms of feelings is to be expected, we might get some major arcanas like DEATH, JUSTICE, JUDGEMENT coupled maybe with a 5 of swords or 10 of swords. Death and 10 of swords as how he sees a woman?
She clearly is dead to him.
Or
she has an earthshatering influence on him.
For the "nah not really" I would expect more cards that i consider boring. lol
Hate is not the opposite of love, Indifference is.
You are right, it's a very strong reaction, which is suspicious hahaha
On the other hand, I had a negative reaction myself, to the question: it's a very sensitive question/topic for women. I like to explore this question as describing how a man sees a woman's physical type in a more lets' say...relaxed manner lol I felt these cards don't give me this chance. Some people however have very strong reaction of attraction/repulsion. I remember I was once with two friends and told them I find David Bowie intriguing and mesmerizing, physically, and they both turned pale and shivered with disgust lol I think they find him repulsive. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 08:20 AM
That's the problem with the Devil and physical attraction/beauty; because there's also - in my language and I think many other languages - "ugly as the devil". I think in English it's "ugly as sin"  (which is pretty cool considering Hierophant Devil wow I haven't noticed that)IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted May 09, 2015 08:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's the problem with the Devil and physical attraction/beauty; because there's also - in my language and I think many other languages - "ugly as the devil". I think in English it's "ugly as sin" (which is pretty cool considering Hierophant Devil wow I haven't noticed that)
Yeah, I think this is the case here... It's the 10/S : The attraction is out of the question. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:17 AM
Leeloo,you could use me as a guinea pig.
Ask your cards if or how I am attracted to Mr Sag.
it`s not even such a dumb question actually. lol
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Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:20 AM
and I agree with you two. the 10/S just looks devastating (and not quite devastatingly beautiful).
The thing is I can se that with the 8 of swords (being captivated by.... followed by certain wands or cup cards), I can see that even with the 9 of swords (tossing and turning, no sleep etc.), but the 10 of swords? it is not a good card for that in my book. But neither is the hierophant to be honnest. I am not particularly fond of him in terms of attraction-questions (neither of the hermit, though I see their positives in other questions)IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Yeah, I think this is the case here... It's the 10/S : The attraction is out of the question.
I'm afraid so...I thought so too, Venus, and Ceri; it's practically a classical pair (Hierophant Devil-perhaps it shows familiar/unfamiliar here, or yes/no) clarified by 10 of sw (mental "collapse", emotional no or very down). I think the Devil is involved yes (not indifferent, he has a strong reaction) but in order for the involvement to be of the "attraction" kind, it needs some attraction (liking) cards. Which takes me to the topic of plain "dislike" cards; which ones do you think have this possible connotation?
10 of sw is definitely one of them, and the Devil, so it seems. It is interesting the Devil is also a gut reaction, that wild side expressing itself without moral constraints. IT is also interesting to consider the Lovers as "like" card and the Devil with the "shadow" side of the Lovers ( a possible "dislike", "not like" card). What else?
OK, Ceri, so what shall it be? you about him or him about you?
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VenusDiSirius
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posted May 09, 2015 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The thing is I can se that with the 8 of swords (being captivated by.... followed by certain wands or cup cards), (...) But neither is the hierophant to be honnest. I am not particularly fond of him in terms of attraction-questions (neither of the hermit, though I see their positives in other questions)
!!  I had 8/S + 6/W for a very captivating story indeed. I can vouch for Hierophant, however.  If you want another guinea pig, LL2014, - I am up for that as well. I offer a certain Mr. T IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:43 AM
Leeloo,both of course IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 09, 2015 09:45 AM
haha OK
You too, Venus? Both? I also realized Devil is Pluto. so it's strong attraction/repulsion, yeah. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:46 AM
who is Mr T, Venus?
How he sees you as a woman/ in an attraction scenario?
2 of swords - 2 of cups - chariot
Interesting spread.
Conflicting. 2 of swords is a difficult card for me. He doesn`t quite see you?
he is a little unaware of hsi fondness for you?
Cause 2 of cups certainly speaks of a strong affection or affinity there, emotionally based.
Maybe he also sees you as a woman who is just blind to his determination to win you over. But I am getting carried away. I think there is a strong liking and affection, as 2 of cups is the central card, but he might not be sure about it or not quite as aware, maybe he even feels drawn into two directions.
Buts eriously?
difficult spread to interprete for me. lol sorry
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VenusDiSirius
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posted May 09, 2015 09:46 AM
You know what - both, as well. I shall claim to my last breath I didn't like him, but hey...  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:51 AM
HAHA, Venus
Devil - 7 of swords - Empress
Deny it all you want! The cards don`t lie.  Central card 7 of swords, but flanked by Devil and Empress, you are sneaking around, something to hide in terms of your feelings for him.
Had there be different cards around it, I would have said you do not like him (7 of swords highly dependent on surrounding cards). but Devil and Empress? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:52 AM
Leeloo, what aboout you?
You want one, too? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted May 09, 2015 09:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
who is Mr T, Venus?
How he sees you as a woman/ in an attraction scenario?
2 of swords - 2 of cups - chariot
Interesting spread.
Conflicting. 2 of swords is a difficult card for me. He doesn`t quite see you?
he is a little unaware of hsi fondness for you?
Cause 2 of cups certainly speaks of a strong affection or affinity there, emotionally based.
Maybe he also sees you as a woman who is just blind to his determination to win you over. But I am getting carried away. I think there is a strong liking and affection, as 2 of cups is the central card, but he might not be sure about it or not quite as aware, maybe he even feels drawn into two directions.
Buts eriously?
difficult spread to interprete for me. lol sorry
He's a person of past. There was 3rd person involved, he moved on/towards her (The Chariot). Emotional choice into another direction.
(I realise this isn't the answer to the question but you've been able to pick up more from me on previous readings for me, so... ) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 09, 2015 09:54 AM
interesting, as the spread was about you and him, really.
Then maybe she is the Empress in your perspective as well?IP: Logged |
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