posted September 10, 2002 01:17 PM            

From the Gospel of St. Thomas

No longer in the Bible ... for a good reason.

posted September 10, 2002 01:20 PM            

I will have to get back to you!

posted September 10, 2002 03:47 PM              

Mary, welcome. About your question, let me tell you that I have to find those words, because I don't remember them right now; I wanted to answer your request quickly. I'll try to give you a better answer later. Now I want you remember that Christians need a place to meet and worship. In 1st century, some times they did it in brothers' homes (Colos.4:15).

It's good we notice this: "church" is "iglesia" in Spanish, from Greek "eclessia". Its meaning is not "place to meet", but "congregation", or "group of faithful" people. Anyway, it's necessary to have that place (Hebrews 10:24,25).

I agree with all those who express against the priests' (and a lot of believers') behaviors. That's why I don't belong to any church. However, I am a Christian, and I do believe in the Bible. It's a big mistake to say the Bible has been changed by the church. What really happened was that the church has changed the interpretation of Bible's teachings. But the Book is the same. "The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever" (Isaiah 40:8).

There is a great future in front of us. Don't let that "Christian" conduct makes you lose it. Jesus said about them: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea" (Matthew 18:6).

This topic is about Jesus' second coming. Will he come? Ask him. He'll surely answer (Luke 11:9); "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open" (Luke 8:17).

posted September 13, 2002 05:25 PM            

Just as an aside, did anyone know that Initiates (beings farther along the path than we) were known as the "little ones", so often mentioned in the Bible? All of the great prophets and sages were known as "liitle ones", occultly.

Changes the meaning of these Biblical phrases a bit.

posted September 13, 2002 06:19 PM              

The teaching I've come away with is that, barring the rapid spiritual (and common sensical!!! - okay, sometimes I'm bitter...) evolution of humans - very, very much including myself here... the YEAR WHEN THE OTHER SHOE DROPS, if you will.... is 2012.

I would suggest reading "Spirit Visions: the Edlers Speak" by Denison Tsoosi - his wife, actually... but I can't seem to recall her name at this moment... was the one who technically scribed the information, and Cloud Dancing: the Hopi Way (webiste) and the Native Teachings Section of http://www.sacredgarden.com.

Love and light, and all things good.

posted December 09, 2002 02:06 AM            

I don't want to alarm you, but the book that we know now as THE BIBLE has undergone several purges and prunings over the ages. The church is not changing the interpretation but the entire TEXT.

They removed entire BOOKS! The Apocrypha, The Lost Books of Eden to name but a few... the CHURCH did not want some of this information in the hands of the masses.. so they just removed ENTIRE BOOKS.

These purges occured during various COUNCILS, whose names I cannot recall at present, but that they removed these books is very well documented.

God Bless...

Aselzion

posted December 10, 2002 11:54 AM              

Because of the censorship of the original text of the bible and ht edistortion of it's true meaning by misguided people over time, i have come to the conclusions that:

1. There IS a higher being (or several)
2. We will all be fine of we keep an open mind, follow what we KNOW deep inside to be the right path
3. Abide by the golden rule `Do unto others...'

Although, as everyone is not the same, it should read:

`Place yourself into the minds of others and do unto them what you would have them do unto you if you WERE them'

My particular purpose here, I believe, is to REDUCE SUFFERING. Unreservedly. This precludes creating suffering of some to reduce the suffering of many as the means DO NOT justify the end.

I also cannot buy the idea of a God who requires WORSHIP and to be FEARED by his children. This speaks of ego and arrogance and an ugly sense of POWER to me and the Creator (in my puny human mind) would not be burdened with such pathetic and fundamental failings as these. I once heard it said that `the thing God hates most is arrogance.' and I truly believe that this is be the case.

There is also an ancient Hebrew Qabbalist saying that I try very hard to live by that states (and pls ignore the sexist connotation):

"THE GREATEST MAN IS HE WHO CAN ACHIEVE THE GREATEST THING AND NOT BREATHE A WORD TO A SOUL".

This is not to be interpreted as `keep quiet about everything you do' obviously, but as `Do not display pride in an accomplishment, but be happy in yourself that you tread the right path, and do not gloat over your achievements as you see others who have achieved less'....or something along those lines...

The second coming is a quandry to me. I believe the bible is merely a vehicle by which good principles are taught to errant people (all of us) through an interesting story. The idea of a second coming may be something akin to `Don't make me tell you again or I'll stop the car and pull over, kids, I will! I mean it!'

I agree wholeheartedly with many of the other posts here that the churches are worshipping the false idols (money, power). At great risk of offending someone, I have to say that when i look at the pope's eyes, even through a TV screen, I don't see a kindly, well-meaning old man. I see something else entirely and it scares me. I mean it. It scares me.

posted December 13, 2002 03:53 PM              

However, its message is hidden from those who doesnīt want to do what they read they have to do. A positive mind and a true desire of understanding are the best help to notice the great information kept during a lot of centuries safe for us. Our best gratitude is to appreciate that treasure we are receiving for free. Letīs remember that many honest people lost their lives due to the love they felt for the Bible.

posted December 14, 2002 11:40 AM            

Bases loaded can you please explain to me who gave anyone the right to remove ANY SACRED DOCUMENT that comprised the Bible, by the Author Himself? Whatever it is in our hearts to understand and believe will be seen and understood regardless of how simple or complicated the message might be.
I agree wholeheartedly with Aselzion and a few others mentioned it as well...the Bible has been tampered with by people wishing to control how the masses think...this has happened through the ages.
I agree with you Bases loaded the Bible is a mystery yes, but so are many of the Sacred Scriptures that were removed by fearful humans, who took it upon themselves to decide for us what we should or should not read/believe/know/understand etc.
The Sacred Scriptures that remain hidden from us are part of God's gift to ALL his children...and they are missing from the Bible!
Just adding my humble opinion to this discussion

posted December 16, 2002 12:04 PM              

The whole information for us starts in Gen. 3:4 and finishes in Revel. 22:17. I repeat: nothing is missing to understand the Bible. Now we only need a true desire of understanding the biblical information and a positive mind to find the important truth contained in the Book.

I grew up as an atheist. I didnīt believe in God nor in the Bible. But I always had an open mind to consider every explanation about our origin, our planet, our universe... whatever I felt as mine and connected to me. Evolution was the classic disappointment for me. Ten years ago I found the Bible had interesting explanations and I decided to study that Book. Since then, every time I read it I thank God for giving us that source of knowledge. As Abraham Lincoln said, `the Bible is the best gift given by God to humankindī.

posted December 16, 2002 01:47 PM              

Bases Loaded, you seem like a very smart individual...and you really know your bible, but it is obvious you are missing many valuable points and information to complete what you are looking for. I strongly suggest you find the book of Apocrypha online and read it. For example the church does not recognize that book, yet that book has almost as many words as does the Bible of today!!! They talk about King David in the new bible, and how great he is and was, yet they omit the book that has King Davids father...King Solomon's words of wisdom....You must acknowledge the greatness of King David, for he spoke the word of God right??? Than what did his father speak to him?? The word of Satan??? Must be apparently, cause his King Solomon's words are ommitted from the bible....why??? It is because they don't want people to know the real truth. Sad but true...

Suggested reading for all....read The Lost Scroll's Of King Solomon...the book is truly amazing...not a bible book, a book you can order and buy at any major bookstore...as King Solomon, believed that Satan was God's servant and that he still is, he is actually an Angel of Light...the man that is trying to take over the world, the Antichrist, is not Satan, and is not empowered by Satan....Satan has been misrepresented by the mainstream and Church because it instills FEAR into the public, and it furthers their objectives, world domination....

Back to the topic of the Second Coming...no doubt he will be back, Jesus that is...just know this, the first man portrayed as Jesus, WILL NOT be Jesus, he will be worshipped by many millions of people, but he will be the false messiah...and all who fall prey to the false messiah have little hope of being redeemed by the REAL Jesus Christ.

posted December 16, 2002 05:12 PM              

As I said before, itīs very easy to understand why those other books (Solomonīs included) are lost. To see this a little clearer, please read John 21:25 "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written".

Do you see the reason? We donīt know many things Jesus said and did, but when we read the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament, we notice that the meaning and the purpose of his first coming are completly clear. The Bible itself has told us why those other words and facts of Jesus are "lost". Now, please read Acts 20:35. Paul says we must remember "the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " I ask you: where do the Gospels register those Jesusī words? Read and youīll never find those words in the Gospels. But we can be sure Jesus did say those words, even if the Gospels donīt mention them.

Therefore we can see that the Bible has everything God wants we know, not every book written by Jews. If an important detail is missing here, it will be recovered later by other writer. God is watching. With Solomonīs scrolls the subject is the same: among the things Solomon said, the Bible (with Godīs supervision) registered those we need to understand what God (not Solomon)wanted to tell us. Please just understand this: the Bible belongs to God, not to Solomon. If you wanted to tell me only three or four things, why should you send an illustrated dictionary to me, saying the words I might look up to understand those three or four things? Once more the Bible says why many Solomonīs books are "missing", and Solomon himself is who writes: "Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body" (Eclessiastes 12:12). So only those books with God message were conserved for us.

Today the Bible has 66 books. Iīm sure you know the church also forbade those books were read and translated many centuries ago. But those books did survive, in spite of the attacks received, because they had the complete message. Remember, from Genesis 3:4 to Revelation 22:17 we can find and understand the message of the Bible, Godīs message for us.

Many men lost their lives because they loved the Bible and wanted the common people have the Scriptures. Now we only have to read and study it. Do not lose that trasure.

Take care. Bases Loaded

posted December 16, 2002 07:03 PM            

God Bless you and your family during this Holy Season