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Topic: L.G. contradicts herself
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The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 17, 2004 08:06 PM
 
How can a mother be so indifferent about her child's/children's welfare? This is astonishing!bases loaded posted a message in my section entitled 'Abortions' in the Health and Healing forum, I think you should take a look. 'And I still haven't found what I'm looking for (which is the answer!)...' ------------------
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majenta
Knowflake Posts: 92
From: Oz
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted March 18, 2004 02:58 AM
I remeber back in primary school when we had our sex education class. The teachers words were 'If you get pregnant there are 3 choices, termination, adoption or keeping the baby'. Society has made termination as common as eating a pie and the younger we are, the more acceptable it is. Girls no that it is ok if they are promiscuous or do not practice safe sex, 'it is ok, I will have an abortion'. We need a paradigm shift in our thinking, prevention is better than the cure. We need to be taught that if we have sex there are outcomes such as STD's and pregnancy and this is what we can do to PREVENT the this. Not, ok once you have had sex and gotten pregnant then you can abort.In the case of rape, the females body has been violated and she must have the right to choose. It is her body, no one elses and we do not have the right to make judgment on her choice. There are approximatley 100,000 abortions in Australia each year which goes to show that some just do not care about the consequences of their actions. ------------------
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Harpyr
Moderator Posts: 1904
From: land of the midnight sun
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted March 18, 2004 11:12 AM
y'know, I don't know any sane woman that takes having an abortion lightly. It is a traumatic experience. Even if she takes a lighthearted attitude towards it at first, I guarantee the ethical ramifications of it eventually come to haunt her. So the only women that use it as birth control are seriously disturbed.. often addicted to hard drugs.. and would make terrible mothers in the first place. Even if schools teach that 'termination' is perfectly normal or whatnot I am not concerned that average, healthy women would seriously think this way. Even if they do for a time, after faced with the choice they come to see things very differently. I have yet to meet a woman who is flippant about an abortion she has had. All speak of it somberly and with a wrenched soul.  IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Moderator Posts: 1904
From: land of the midnight sun
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted March 18, 2004 11:15 AM
"It is her body, no one elses and we do not have the right to make judgment on her choice."C'mon majenta.. Even if she hasn't been raped it's still her body and she has every right to be free from some male dominated gov't imposing their will upon her body. IP: Logged |
The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 18, 2004 12:21 PM
What about the life right of the child?------------------
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Eleanore
Moderator Posts: 1196
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 18, 2004 01:18 PM
I believe the child's rights come into effect when it is born.  After all, if an immigrant woman conceives a child in the US, for example, that child is not granted rights as a citizen unless it is actually born in the US ... conception isn't enough. I wonder, if a child's rights are supposed to be upheld so much before it is born/alive as far as the issue of abortions is concerned, how come their rights aren't upheld in other cases such as this? There are plenty of women, for example, who cross over from Mexico and conceive a child while on US territory. Of course, the mother doesn't have any rights as a US citizen, but by this illogic then that child, who is not even born/alive yet, should have full rights as a US citizen! Nevertheless, we continue to deport mothers and the arguably US-citizen-by-conception fetuses all the time! I guess our lawmakers just missed that one, huh?  IP: Logged |
Isis
Knowflake Posts: 1138
From: CA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 18, 2004 05:03 PM
I personally think that the point at which the fetus resembles a human (because a human fetus seems to resemble every possible life form as it progresses in the womb), is the point at which it is a human life, and thus wrong to take.My understanding is that by the end of the second trimester, the fetus is completely formed and is just growing over the next 3 months or so. If this is in fact true, than my personal preference would be pro-choice up to that point, at which time IMHO it should only be considered if the mother's life is in danger. I believe both camps have a total and complete right to be either pro-life or pro-choice so long as they don't berate or lambaste the opposition about their view. IP: Logged |
lovely libra
Knowflake Posts: 132
From: garland texas usa
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted March 18, 2004 11:25 PM
i was pregnant the first time at 19 and the second time at 21. Neither was planned and both scared hell out of me. I kept my babies but i would defend to the death anyones right to make decisions about their own body. I know it's tough but think about the life these aborted fetuses could concievable lead. Abuse in the extream(i used to work with extream abuse cases in an emergency foster center, you would not believe what people do to kids:jawdrop neglect in the extream ( a friend of mines mom left her and her sister alone while she went to another state for a month they ate garbage and ketchup)i know people would argu for adoption and most of the time this is a happy ending but some of the kids in the home were removed from adoptive homes. I think i would rather an unborn child suffer a moment of pain than a lifetime. I would rather see more responsible people and i think there should be some sort of education programe for "serial abortionists" but i have seen so much pain( i myself come from an extream background of violence and abuse) i do think that everybody has the right to their own opinion defantly and i don't think i have the right answer by any stretch of the mmagination. this is just the opinion of one little person  ------------------
~Renee
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majenta
Knowflake Posts: 92
From: Oz
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted March 19, 2004 12:35 AM
LOL Harpyr, the amount of girls I know who have had abortions and were so releived to 'get rid of it' are astounding.1 friend in particular who sleeps around and does not practice safe sex has had three abortions, her attitude is flippant and pregnancy is just a hindrance. I agree that abortion should be available to all woman who want an abortion but I still concur that education is the key in changing the attitudes of the people who are nopt accountable for their behaviour. Please do not misconstrue what I say harpyr. ------------------
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The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 19, 2004 07:42 AM
Not that I'm saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but...I believe we are challenging the entire system of the Roman Catholic Church. I think people should be aware of the fact that they are responsible for what they do and conception and pregnancy, in my opinion, are about responsibility, if not be put as 'immense responsibility'. In our time, whether it's lust and attraction or love and passion, a matter upon a life form should not be taken lightly. More thinking (or even meditation) is required. Here are some of my questions: Does an embryo or a foetus not possess a soul? Does an embryo or a foetus not feel pain? Does it not matter whether an embryo or a foetus feels pain or not? An abortion brings potential physical harm and emotional trauma (albeit the decision to have the baby may as well cause horrendous consequences). It should not be done repeatedly. In the case of rape, I believe the victim does have the right to terminate the result of violence and hate. In other cases, more debates are on the way. But in the Aquarian Age, there IS a ray of hope, I know. Too big a family is not ideal, not healthy both physically and financially, as well as raising the children properly. I am all for birth control. ------------------
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theFajita3
Moderator Posts: 1457
From: Sunny South Florida, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted March 19, 2004 01:04 PM
Yeah birth control helps protect against diseases as well!------------------
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quiksilver
Moderator Posts: 568
From: new jersey, usa
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted March 19, 2004 11:39 PM
Wow.........As much as I really find a full-on debate to be particularly educational and telling in most cases, I find myself more exhausted than ever after reading all of the above and (as Passenger had posted earlier)still find myself without answers to my satisfaction. Eleanor - I don't necessarily believe or agree with all of your beliefs on the matter however I DO agree that there must be some Universal Truths, some RIGHT and WRONG. Otherwise, as you pointed out, there doesn't seem to be much purpose to this existance. Why strive to get to the next level if "better" and/or "good" really do not mean anything or bear any significance in the grand scheme of things? And as we know, there must be a "grand scheme" of sorts, else we would not be of the mindset that the stars are patterned in such a way that they affect lives.
Kudos to you for at least taking a stand! And Passenger, many of your concerns and thoughts on the matter are similar to my own. Regarding the moment in time when "life" comes into existance, consider that, (interestingly enough)- in China the 9 months of conception prior to birth are INCLUDED in the calculation of one's chronological age. Contrarily enough (is that even a word? Not sure but I like the ring of it!) China is also notorius for it's draconian measures taken to ensure a limited population growth rate. Abortion in some cases is forced on the woman, especially if the first born is a female. Now how do they justify that contradiction? Anyway, for the moment at least, I personally am suspending all further debates. The reason, simply put, is that I could quite easily write a novel on the topic and I have a feeling some of you all out there are beginning to grow weary of the endless back-and-forth at present; though we all have much to say. For the moment I am going to put this issue "on ice" as they say, to return to another day. Hoever, I think the fact that we are QUESTIONING our beliefs and really forcing ourselves to justify the way we think (not to others necessarily but to ourselves) is really the most important part of what is going on here. After all, why go through life with a bunch of hazy, baseless notions that are never challenged? If we are going to take a stand on the issue- any issue- let's know exactly where and why we stand there. This involves taking a much deeper look at who we are and what we believe. And as long as we continue to do this, I mean really do this - then no matter the outcome, right or wrong - we will have learned and progressed. IP: Logged |
The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 20, 2004 02:00 PM
I find myself suddenly enlightened. Mystery solved.An embryo/foetus is not conscious. A child only becomes conscious when it draws its first breath, therefore, an embryo/foetus is just part of the woman's body. The lexigram of 'abortions': IT IS NOT BORN. IT IS TORN. IT IS NOT A SIN and so forth. Someone said in this forum that the lexigram contains both IT IS A SIN and IT IS NOT A SIN. This is the wrong interpretaiton. Remember what Linda said? When the lexigram contains NO or NOT, than it should be interpreted with NO or NOT. It is high time that I abandoned my old faith. Randall was right. ------------------
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quiksilver
Moderator Posts: 568
From: new jersey, usa
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted March 20, 2004 02:59 PM
Ummmm..... ok, I did say that I was going to give it a rest but I really do not think it is that simple. However, I am glad to see that you have found an answer and seem to be at peace with it.IP: Logged |
quiksilver
Moderator Posts: 568
From: new jersey, usa
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted March 20, 2004 03:02 PM
Also, while this site is without question a tribute to Linda, let's do remember that she was only human as we all are and that her answers to some of the more profound questions in life are still subject to fallibility.....IP: Logged |
The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 20, 2004 03:03 PM
It is still an enigma WHEN life begins...But I've found the truth. Full stop. ------------------
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The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 20, 2004 03:05 PM
quiksilver, I COMPLETELY agree with you about Linda.------------------
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The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 21, 2004 02:13 AM
I apologise for being so inconsistent...JustAmanda has just posted a message in the section entitled 'Abortions' under the Health and Healing forum, I think you guys OUGHT TO take a look. ~~~'Tis a matter of life and death. ------------------
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The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 22, 2004 06:50 AM
As long as we are will to find THE solution together in peace, there is hope lol------------------
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Eleanore
Moderator Posts: 1196
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 22, 2004 01:08 PM
 Of course Linda was human! All the knowledge, wisdom, and magic (which she never claimed was supernatural; they are natural, although perhaps beyond physics  ) that she selflessly shared with us were meant for humans, too. I don't think she ever portrayed herself as anything but fully human ... and I think one of her points was that humans haven't even begun to realize all their amazing potential ... so she gave us some clues and hints to get us started. IP: Logged |
The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 24, 2004 11:12 AM
Dear fellow Knowflakes,Please do take time to read my latest message upon the issue which has been posted on 24 March in the section entitled 'Abortions' in the Health and Healing forum. I am sorry that I am not going to re-type it here. Many thanks. Love
Peace
Joy ------------------
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The passenger
Knowflake Posts: 370
From: Taipei, Taiwan
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 24, 2004 11:14 AM
It's on page 2 BTW...------------------
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 2817
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted November 17, 2005 06:08 PM
ABORTION LEXIno I on to abort, not bad, reboot We chose where we are going, when we come to earth, sometimes there is no Ion board, til
the fetus is 6 months,
those that are aborted, do not have a soul, as of yet, you see
why would we choose, a useless trip as this??? Karma, A Stern Saturn Teacher, realize all hardships are merely lessons
you get what you give.
Love and Light to ALL
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Charlotte
Knowflake Posts: 458
From: Tn. USA
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted November 18, 2005 03:55 AM
quiksilver,
How right you are!
I can see both sides of this issue and I'm never afraid of the difference of opinion, debate is one of the major way's that we learn. I am only afraid of the staunch extremists on either side of this issue-
I believe that extremism on any issue hinders the thought and learning process of the soul.IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
Knowflake Posts: 395
From: Chennai
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted November 18, 2005 05:27 AM
ABORTION Lexis:A BOON TO ORION ORION BAIT ORION NAB BRAIN ORION BARON BORON BATON IN BRAIN ROOT
[The vocal supporters of Abortion may have Boron based microchips in their brain root or reptile complex, planted by Orion Alien Barons?] ORION TRAIN A ROBOT BRAIN TO ABORT
[Mass mind control of girls to accept abortion] ABORTION (is) ORION RATION [4th dimensional lower Astral Reptilians "eat" the energy of the dead foetus. Abortion is all about feeding evil aliens with charged enthusiastic energu of new souls who must sadly depart.]
ROOT BRAIN ROT
A BOON TO BAN IT Notes:
Orion is the origin of the Reptilian ALien controllers of Earth's miseries. All harmful acts are programmed by them from the "Matrix", many of whom pretend to be Masters. CLue: Orion Pictures Hollywood. More Clues, the spaceship to rescue Earth in the Bruce Willis Asteroid movie was named Orion, the cat in Men in Black 1 that holds the Universe Jewel is Orion. Subconscious programming. Beware!
Linda was unaware of the alien conspiracies. If she read this Lexi she would really freak out. Anyway, best of luck to Abortion supporters to get a better Lexi in it's support.
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