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Topic: L.G. contradicts herself
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silverbells
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From: maryland
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posted December 10, 2003 05:21 PM
 
I am confused about what Linda's veiws on abortion were/are because in the afterword (or something lie that) of Love Signs she says that abortion is a sin against nature. Then in Star Signs, she does a Lexigram of abortion and comes up with the Lexiram of it and concludes that it is not a sin. What did she mean by this contradiction? Does anyone have any ideas or know for sure (met her or read something). In which she addresses this. ------------------
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Randall
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posted December 10, 2003 07:09 PM
Not a contradiction at all. She changed her mind. Having lost a few children, one could expect Linda to be against abortion. But she was always open to new ideas, and through one of her GURUs and the discovery of Lexigrams, she was forced to alter her belief system.  ------------------
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Aselzion
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posted December 11, 2003 10:32 AM
Greetings...What Randall said... Though I might also add that we all do evolve and change, and in the course of expanding our awareness, we drop or re-verse beliefs that are outmoded or limiting. So again, not really a contradiction, but an evidence of growth and enlightenment. Unfortunately when authors put their thoughts into words on the printed page, they take on the appearance of being "carved in stone" as it were. Still this does not negate growth; and remember.. it is always a woman's prerogative to change her mind!  In the Light...
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"Aum bhoor buvah svaha
Tat savitur varenyam
Bhargo devasaya dheemahi
Dhiyo yo naha prachodayat." ****Gayatri Mantra**** "We meditate on the glory of the Creator
Who has created the Universe;
Who is worthy of worship;
Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light;
Who is the remover of Sin and Ignorance;
May He enlighten our intellect." IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Big Dipper
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posted December 11, 2003 10:44 AM
 A., you are be a wonderful insightful knowflake!  juniperb  ------------------
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silverbells
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From: maryland
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posted December 11, 2003 06:02 PM
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Ra
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posted December 12, 2003 04:02 AM
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silverbells
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posted December 12, 2003 03:18 PM
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scorpioncrystal
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From: where the crystals grow
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posted December 14, 2003 10:45 AM
hmmmm....I never thought of it that way...that she changed her mind.I interpreted her to say that abortion was okay if you had to do it. But not to abuse that decision in a repeated, unloving nature. IP: Logged |
scorpioncrystal
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posted December 14, 2003 10:47 AM
Of course...that is just my opinion...IP: Logged |
silverbells
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posted December 19, 2003 03:43 PM
At the end of "Love Signs" she specifically says that it is wrong; a crime against Nature, no matter how you cut it (paraphrase) and then in Star Signs the Lexigram indicated something else, I don't know if I agree with the lexigram though, I'm not sure.------------------
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grayheart
Knowflake Posts: 215
From: Land O Love
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted December 19, 2003 06:35 PM
Look at it from a stand point of karma, is there negative karma attached? Probably, would that negative karma be greater or less than the negative karma attached to giving birth to an unwanted child and neglecting them? I would say that it would be less. How about giving the kid up for adoption, would that be greater or less negative karma? Well, if you facter in the resenment that the mother would feel at having to go through all of it, and the possible hurt that the child feels when they find out they were adopted, this could be more or less depending on circumstances. Either way there is Karma, but the way I see it, the karma attached to aborting, would be significantly less than raising a child in an environment that is not one where they are wanted, or where they are regarded as a mistake or burden. And while adoption seems like a good alternative, there is heavy karma in that too, as well as the possibility of resentment from one or both parties, which would only add to the karmic burden, so it may not be a truely better option. The only real way to protect Karma would be to avoid the situation in the first place, but that is the obvious part, and Passion has a way of making you do crazy and even stupid things sometimes. Personally, I don't believe anyone is truely fit to say whether it is the right or wrong thing to do until they have been in that situation themselves, and seen it from both sides. Even then every situation is unique, It is more right than the alternatives in some instances and wrong in others. IP: Logged |
Aselzion
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posted December 20, 2003 06:35 AM
Greetings...As I have said, though there is an apparent contradiction between Love Signs (copyright 1978) and Star Signs (copyright 1987), it is merely evidence of Linda's own personal enlightenment and growth. Hrmmm, now Karma... I was waiting for someone to play that card. The Law of Cause and Effect, like all Laws, can be neutralized or transmuted by utilizing a Higher Law. This is the true process of Alchemy, by the way. I don't believe that most people have a balanced idea of Karma, and thus perceive it as some form of punishment and reward. I belive that the Sanskrit word implies action, but it also has the additional connotation of work. True we cannot escape the Law of Cause and Effect, but by our subsequent actions and "works" we may modify the consequences. The Lexigram speaks the truth about the word abortions, and it states both: IT IS A SIN and IT IS NOT A SIN. It is a matter of perception. It is a conundrum until we step a level above and view the topic with the Heart, and the Eyes and Ears of the Higher Self.. which is part and parcel of the purpose for even working a Lexigram. After having spiraled on this Lexigram for many years , it is my contention that ABORTION IS NOT A SIN, and that Karma is not created or incurred by the action (or choice) of having an abortion. It is my challenge to any of the knowflakes concerned with this issue, to spiral for themselves the intracacies of ABORTION, and share the results of such spiraling here. At a later date I will explain, though the explanation may delve into some pretty murky esoteric waters, how I arrived at my conclusions. Sound fair?  In L.V.X. eternal...
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silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1432
From: maryland
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posted February 20, 2004 02:50 PM
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aquaspryt69
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From: Arizona
Registered: Feb 2004
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posted February 23, 2004 09:39 AM
Linda Goodman also read in newspapers and probably heard on TV the rise in young women's deaths due to abortion not being legal. This may have helped to make her more open to it, too.
Yes? At least, that's my take on it. 
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silverbells
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posted February 23, 2004 06:24 PM
Perhaps...I hadn't thought of that. What makes me wonder about this issue and issues like this is would the Lexi results or reading results come out the way things should be ideally, or would the results point to the maximum of what is most "possible" and what is best for the situation at the "moment".My use of the words in quotations just now, made me cringe a little bit. ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 25, 2004 03:05 PM
Having a deep love for children and having lost several of her own, I'm sure Linda had good reason to be against abortion--especially since she was raised Catholic. But as she explored higher Truths, a different perspective was reached. ------------------
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quiksilver
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posted March 09, 2004 09:27 PM
Could the answer be that abortion is wrong if you think it is wrong but if you don't see it as playing god and taking life, then it's not wrong, since that intent is not there? But this seems to be a circular argument because there is never any one "truth", just perception. That doesn't seem acceptable to me.... Surely there must be right and wrong? If it is wrong to kill a person and punishable by law, abortion only seems defensible if one can be sure that they are not ending life? And it what point does someone decide when life begins? For example, an abortion of an 8 mth pregnancy seems murderous. Surely, the baby can feel pain at this point as nerves are highly developed. And the methods used in this instance are barbaric, to put it euphemistically. Is it wrong to inflict this pain at 8 mths but ok at 8 days since no pain is felt? The argument can be used that it is still the mothers body and as such the child is still dependent, unable to live on its own and therefore the mother is within her rights. However what about retarded children who are also physically dependent on their parents and unable to live on their own? I don't know about the right and wrong issue but it seems to me that in some cases at least, it is clearly wrong, especially given the medical brutality involved. (I don't want to be graphic). Also, I noticed that in cases where a mother-to- be (think, Lacy Peterson)and thus the unborn child is murdered, people on the whole are generally much more distraught over the death of the unborn child than they would be in the instance of an abortion. It is tragic, they say, because the child was "wanted". But who's to say a particular mother's view of "wanting" or "not wanting" the child should come into play when assigning value to the unborn's life. In other words, is the death less tolerable when the child is "wanted" by mother as opposed to "unwanted" by the mother? (Meanwhile, in the latter case,the child might very well be wanted by hundreds of loving parents who would do anything to have a son or daughther?) I'm not saying much either way, just commenting on people's perceptions based on various situations.....
The whole issue seem very much a grey area which I find disturbing.....IP: Logged |
sesame
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From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 10, 2004 10:14 PM
Yes, all things are really just shades. What seems black is very dark grey In this case I have no idea either. I also try to look at the bigger picture of karma - ie what happened last life to give people this quandary this life? Maybe a soul search through regression is needed to find out how to balance that karma adequately. It is my opinion that the mother is ultimately in the hot seat and hence her decision should be treated respectfully - ie also based on intuition. I sure wouldn't want to be in that situation...Dean. ------------------
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Aselzion
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posted March 10, 2004 11:38 PM
Greetings...Ok.. to put it as simply as I can... 1) What if the Soul only needs to channel into Physical reality to experience cell division and a certain stage of growth? What if that Soul also chose to learn what it felt like to be aborted? 2) What if nothing is really GOOD or BAD, but only the perception made it so? 3) What if you were God, and you gave people the Gift of Free Will Choice. How Free would that Will really be, if you set up a bunch of rules that made some things WRONG and others RIGHT? 4) What if Karma isn't what we think it is? Just some thoughts to ponder... Bright Blessings...
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pixelpixie
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posted March 10, 2004 11:45 PM
wow....... 
That is deeper than I care to go on a full stomach and an empty brain.
Would that be food for thought? Hmmmm.....IP: Logged |
sesame
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From: Oz
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posted March 11, 2004 01:54 AM
Yes indeed, what is Karma? Some might even say it is the "rule book" of God, others that it is God, etc. I like to think of Eastern ideas that everything is, well, everything else. What you choose affects the universe as it's events affect you, and help create your thoughts, in order that you might make other choices... etc. "what is this tangled web we weave?..." All is all. Your decisions are both imposed and impose. You may consequently be offended, or in turn, offend. I believe a lot of actions/decisions should be based on intuition - or as Linda said, the tutor within, likewise faith and optimism should be undertaken wherever/whenever possible in order to help God be nice Who's to say you aren't living off negative karma obtained hundreds (to keep it simple) life times ago, and this life your cashing in only on those events? Every other life could've been good, I believe this is why really nice people sometimes have the worst UNEXPECTED luck... What goes around goes round and comes around...OK, I'm going now,
Dean. ------------------
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Aselzion
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posted March 11, 2004 11:26 AM
Greetings...Alright, for those that are heavily involved in the whole KARMA thang... What if Karma were NOT incurred in your "past lives" alone? We know that Time is an illusion, and is most certainly NOT linear. Linda herself discussed this in both Love Signs and Star Signs. Alternatively.. what if something just is what it is? So many people seem to see Karma as a system of punishments and rewards... something that we are reaping from the past, and that things we do now, will affect our future lives. True there is an Universal Law of Action and Reaction; or Cause and Effect. But what if the Effect is just a feeling of sorrow or remorse (or as easily joy and peace)? What if that was the entirety of the Lesson? Why must something continually dog us from "lifetime" to "lifetime"? What if we just learn the lesson as we go along? I know... more questions than answers to be sure, but also I think some valuable food for thought. May Light be extended upon you all...
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theFajita3
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posted March 11, 2004 11:50 AM
WOW deep thread....------------------
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Blazini
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From: boulder, co, usa
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 13, 2004 10:00 PM
I think I found a type-o  in my copy of Love Signs. On page 506 in the Leo-Libra section it states that this is a 3-11 sun sign pattern, but on page 509 it states that it is a 2-12 sun sign pattern. Have any of you noticed this?IP: Logged |
Aselzion
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posted March 13, 2004 10:47 PM
Greetings...The typos abound in all manner of publications, but it is a 3-11. All those aspect patterns are merely house designations for aspects: 1-1 = Conjunction (same sign)
2-12 = SemiSextile (30 degrees apart)
3-11 = Sextile (60 degrees apart)
4-10 = Square (90 degrees apart) Same Modality <Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable>
5-9 = Trine (120 degrees apart) Same Element
6-8 = Inconjunct (150 degrees apart)
7-7 = Opposition (180 degrees apart) So, regardless of what the typos said, and there are others that I have found in various copies of Love Signs... if you know the Aspect, you know the "pattern". Hope that helps...
A P.S. My copy of Love Signs contains that same error you are talking about, and another fairly comical one on page 892 where under the 1-1 pattern, the first line states: You are influenced by the 2-12 Sun Sign Pattern... ------------------
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