posted August 24, 2004 12:03 AM         

What I would like to know though, is why we exist? Some people say to learn, but then who do we teach - if anyone, and then this forms a circle. Is the point that eventually all will know and hence the world will evolve into love? Or is the point of exist to feel? To help others feel, to experience all that God has to offer? But why?

What do you think? I'm eternally curious.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

ps. I mean this in the most positive way and for the purpose of debate, and in no way mean this to sound depressing, though it may appear

posted August 24, 2004 12:08 AM         

I think we are hear to learn and teach. I think we're here to evolve spiritually, not just physically. Keep coming back until you get it right, kinda theory.

The higher we vibrate, and the more human consiousness grows... the closer to God/ess we are.

But why? Why are we evolving? What's the point of it all? *shrug* That I don't know about.

posted August 24, 2004 12:34 AM         

But anyhow, this question is for you guys. I'd love to know what people think their why is...

Librasparkle, I'm trying to understand. Are you saying it's like all of Earth will evolve at the same pace, or that people move to different dimensions dependant on their level of spiritual evolution? What happens when we are at the highest level? These questions may be considered rhetoric if you wish

posted August 24, 2004 01:48 AM         

On one hand I'd like to say no. I think it's pretty clear that some people are more evolved than others.

On the other hand, maybe the two things are not one in the same. Individual evolution, and the evolution of human consiousness seem to be two different topics.

posted August 24, 2004 01:57 AM         

I was just poking through your website. Was reading your bio and saw that one of your goals is to prove the string theory.

posted August 24, 2004 02:54 AM         

I heard my name

I think that perhaps I was not clear in my previous communications. Review the following passage...

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I alluded to this process in a story posted here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000161.html . In the story, soul designs are described. One of the many aspects of “meaningful suffering” is detailed in this story. If one was designed to “run from hell” and is conditioned by the environment to “run to heaven” then the suffering of that soul following an inappropriate path will not have “meaning” for them. If a soul was designed to exist in the shadow of God, and is taught to “run from hell” or “run to heaven” that suffering to will not have “meaning”. Know thyself and you will know your lord. We shall leave those running to the world for another discussion.

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In this, I should clarify a few things. First, when I say the soul is “following an inappropriate path”, it should be understood that this is the surface perception. So, for example, the person in a southern Baptist congregation listening to hell fire preached each Sunday is, on the surface, following a Baptist path and his/her perception is that he/she is a Baptist. However, if the design of the soul is one who longs for heaven, or “runs to heaven”, this person will still spend much time contemplating that which is in alignment with his/her soul. I.e. this person’s prayers and contemplations will center on or focus on heaven. However, because the inner, true path is misaligned with the outer manifestation, the person will “suffer”. So, we can say that that person is “following an inappropriate path in its external manifestation and according to the person’s perception”. The reality, internally, however, is that the person is perfectly following the “right” path.

How do we solve this dilemma? That too is addressed in this paragraph. You must Know yourself. Your contemplation should focus inwardly so that you can discern your own misalignment. As always you may contact me at oriontriquetra@yahoo.com or ask for an elaboration here.

posted August 24, 2004 08:13 AM         

The thing is, I don't know enough to ask you questions. Much of which you speak flies over my head - including your vocabulary, but I mean this in the nicest possible way.

So, yeah, I wanted a thread that bluntly put this topic on the table. Why are we here? Now, I read that thread, and likewise didn't understand everything, but then, I don't expect to. Maybe that's why, maybe the fact that I can always hear my modem, and feel this world with all its distractions and time constraints is another reason (I have to go to bed soon). But maybe the main reason is that I'm not ready yet, which I know with much sadness and regret, but I will ask you questions while you are here, and ponder the answers for over my life in order that I learn something. If I don't ask, then you may leave, and hence, I haven't had the opportunity to learn anything.

However, here we have a paradox, for as I've mentioned, how does one ask something, when one does not know how to speak?

You seem to warn at the need to "know thyself". I feel this need most keenly as life is like a box of chocolates. Once you've eaten them, you might just feel sick My point is that life can be over before its begun. But regardless of that, how much influence do we have - not just on life, but on this Earth? I often think in terms of ten thousand years. What will happen in ten thousand years? There's an awesome Pearl Jam song called Insignificance which sort of hints at this, but it's more the Insignificance of the pathetic world leaders that create war. I understand what you say in Free Will (as Juniperb thankfully brought up again) regarding living a pointless life. Now, I don't think you're necessarily talking about careers, but how does one be productive? Do you think meditation is compulsory? The problem is that life seems to require so much time and energy just to live, let alone being productive. I will read your other post more thoroughly, as I should with all your posts. They'll sink in eventually. Hopefully.

I'm still thinking about the why though

posted August 25, 2004 01:52 PM         

I think meaning is a human concept, only we are concerned with it, and as we grow we give the Universe meaning by our understanding of it. If evolution hadn't put us in this position, the Universe would never have "known" itself. Maybe that is meaning in itself.

posted August 25, 2004 03:50 PM         

Dean... Have you read Conversations With God: An Uncommon Dialogue by Neale Donald Walsch? That material makes infinitely more sense than any mumbo jumbo I have come across to date.

There are 3 books, of which the 1st and 3rd are most helpful in my personal opinion. All of the books tackle this issue that you are inquiring into, and I think they do it well and with a modicum of humor. I laughed out loud many times throughout... and I cried. (tears of awe and joy)

They are thought-provoking indeed,and I think well worth the time.

Teaching and learning are but part of the answer. EXPERIENCE, now that, I think, is more apropos!

Have a read and let me know what you think. I wish that they will be enlightening for you as they have been for me.

Blessed Be...
A

P.S. I put these books on par with Linda's, and perhaps they speak with more clarity and erudition than even our beloved matriarch.

posted August 25, 2004 07:48 PM         

Hi FishKitten, nice to see you around too I saw "Adventures with FishKitten" in free-for-all, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. I'm looking forward to it

posted August 25, 2004 11:46 PM         

Thank you so much for your greetings. I am very well thank you. As for my world, it is in excellent shape It seems we share a similar time...I am on vacation as well

Aselzion, thank you for your greeting. It is always a pleasure to visit Linda Land.

Hello Irish, Swerve and Libra Sparkle, lovely names you have chosen for yourselves.

Dean, I do look forward to hearing your thoughts about any readings you may enjoy, past, present or future.

posted August 26, 2004 02:40 AM         

We are here because there is no where else to go.

The majority of us don't even consider the possibilities of transformation. It is totally intangible to us. So we live ordinary lives and die ordinary deaths, repetitiously.

We are wrong in thinking that the mind, body and spirit are parts of a dualism that exists in us. We divide ourselves constantly and it keeps our energy in a state of total separation. When we are divided we live in chaos, and we are not complete. This is where I think the term "fallen" is appropriate.

Transformation is the total integration of all parts of you. I believe that unity is the true purpose of life. We are here to learn how to transform those divisions into one glorious potential. It is the perfect word "potential" because it actually means coming into being using all capabilities.

If the kingdom is within you, and it is divided within itself, it will not stand.

All other attainments, however important they may seem in one life, can never truly equal the unity of the soul with it's creator. That is why I think we are here.
Just one more opinion in a sea of many.

Gia

posted August 28, 2004 12:19 AM         

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A quote from his book..."He who thinks he knows...does not know, but he who knows he doesn't know, really knows.

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Gia, always a pleasure to read your posts

May I ask what you mean when you say

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We are here because there is no where else to go.

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The post was informative but didn`t fullfill the statement for me. Isn`t there always somewhere else to go? Another alternative to the repetitive humdrum existance you`ve laid out?

There must be more.

posted August 29, 2004 06:17 AM         

Everyone, I'm thinking this is a must read! I've read about thirty pages so far, and it has blown me away. So much of what I believe and have stated was repeated in this book. It is just so true, so far. Aselzion, thanks so much for recommending this book, I LOVE IT! It has provoked many thoughts I want to share here, but all in good time. I will start with one thread though...

posted August 29, 2004 11:26 PM         

Dean, that is how I felt when I read the stuff originally...

Wait til you get to Book 3!

Glad you found it a helpful recommendation!

In the Light...
A

posted August 30, 2004 08:56 AM         

Deep Sam, on reading the entire quote, it forms a clearer picture

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He who doesn't know and doesn't know that he doesn't know, he is a fool, shun him.

He who doesn't know and knows that he doesn't know, he is a child, teach him.

He who knows and doesn't know that he knows, he is asleep, wake him.

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Any ideas where Campbell got the quote

posted September 02, 2004 07:27 PM         

Perhaps we are here so that God may experience reality. Many perspectives many times over to get a larger "feel" for existence.

Perhaps we were a mistake. A bi-product of something that just kinda got a life of it's own.

I personally doubt it, but perhaps we only exist to maintain the procreation of our species.
Is the concept of God merely a personification of the things that we cannot explain? Our thoughts, feelings, memories, etc. nothing more than chemical reactions? Again I don't believe it, but I still must try to consider all perspectives.