posted September 07, 2004 12:09 AM         

But Aselzion, a bit off the beaten path; I have a problem with the polarity comparison. Is that theory, a theory that is all - encompassing in the human experience?

posted September 07, 2004 10:32 PM         

Hrmmm... I'm probably not at my most lucid this evening, but if I am understanding at least one facet of your question, about the Law of Polarity being all encompassing...

From my studies, I conclude that any of the "Laws" mentioned in The Kybalion, a little treatise on the 7 Hermetic Principles, by Three Initiates apply to us when we are incarnated in the 3rd dimensional level. The Physical World.

Spirit is above this level in vibration, so I would say that there would be a similar, yet different Law on the next vibratory level and so forth.

The Second Principle states: As above, so below. As within, so without. So.. I should say that yes, Polarity is all encompassing... relative to the rate of vibration on the dimensional level that you are operating on.

If that doesn't make any sense, I can try to elaborate.

Now.. I do believe that at the God level... the rules of the Physical Dimension cease to operate.. but there must be some Laws governing that level as well, no?

Clear as mud?

Blessings...
A

posted September 07, 2004 11:26 PM         

Aselzion, clear as mud.... I wish .

For someone out here who isn`t up to snuff :

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From my studies, I conclude that any of the "Laws" mentioned in The Kybalion, a little treatise on the 7 Hermetic Principles, by Three Initiates apply to us when we are incarnated in the 3rd dimensional level. The Physical World.

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may get lost. Can you tell us a bit about the 7 Hermetic Principles et al. .

How goes the new studies & responsibilities

posted September 08, 2004 10:55 PM         

My last post was confusing.

juniperb

posted September 09, 2004 06:44 PM         

Juniper... try looking at this thread for more info on the 7 Hermetic Principles:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000055.html

That might be enough of an introduction to help clarify my muddy post!

Silverbells.. From my understanding a Soul can only "know" what it experiences in Physical Reality. For a much clearer and fuller explanation, I would refer you to Conversations With God by Neale Donald Walsch. I am very much impressed, and have felt very much enlightened by the clarity of the information as presented in that material.

Hope that helps...
A

posted September 13, 2004 07:21 PM         

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6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. 7 "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread; 12 And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; 13 And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. 14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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I knew it was about praying, but didn't know where. But then as I read the intro to CWG Book 2, It stated "even before you ask, I will have answered". This could be different from "for your Father knows what you need before you ask him". Anyhow I thought it aws the passage you quoted, but it felt different. That's why I thought "Why pray, if God answers before we ask?"

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

posted September 13, 2004 10:43 PM         

Dean... you're already into Book 2! Very nice!

I will have to admit, with one remarkably moving exception, I didn't appreciate Book 2 with the same enthusiasm as I did Books 1 and 3, but I tend to be a relatively a-political person. Though I agree with the concept of transparency that God discusses in Book 2, I was much more enlightened by the other volumes.

My head is telling me that we should talk sometime outside of this forum... and I'm not exactly sure why. Perhaps we ought to exchange e-mails?

Blessings...
A

posted September 15, 2004 02:22 PM         

Well my current thoughts about enlightenment is as follows. Its short and simple understanding yet we do not seem to understand and search for it. You will understand it when you stop searching.

Enlightment is knowing that the divine consciousness flows thru you, me and every being (plants, animals). We are all connected to each other.

If we enjoy thru our senses then that divine consciousness who in us also enjoys it.

Imagine, we have eyes so that we can see and enjoy. The creator also enjoys since the created enjoys.

We have 6 billion times 2 eyes at the moment on earth that are also the eyes of God. It is the will of God that he enjoys most on this planet thru humans (not animals or trees ). Don't ask me why he chose to do this. Life is all about change, we humans will become something else after billions of years or may be become extinct.
But this superentity will never die. It is self contained. It has no beginning nor an end. It is infinite yet finite. I can go on on describing the attributes of this supreme being, but no words can do justice so I better stop.

It has always been like this and will always be like this.

Heavens and earth may pass away but this truth will not.

And well the yogis are medidating because they are in tune with that higher self. We humans do drugs for temporaty enjoyment and these yogis meditate. It gives them happiness

Also, its your duty to keep this divine conscioness holy (lead a perfect life). May you obey his/her will and not the other way round. Thats the essence of this being. Good must conquer evil. Be good all times.

Also, feel the divinity every where for the moment, look at the trees and talk to it. Ask the mountains to move, it will move. Its quite around you, no ones screaming, because like you they don't think about why they are here for. They are all only enjoying the present moment.

WHOEVER HAS READ THIS WILL RECEIVE ENLIGHTENMENT VERY SOON. WHOEVER SHARES THIS ALSO WILL RECEIVE LOTS OF GRACES.

posted September 15, 2004 08:35 PM         

I had to ask you, do you always have like a half smile happening? I can't help doing that everytime I think of how everything is one. That we live to experience. When I think of Tibetans though, I wonder what they experience exactly. Is it bliss? They just don't seem too real, but then they are far realer than us... Do you believe they are serving the Earth in a higher purpose?

posted September 15, 2004 10:32 PM         

People have always noticed my smile. I never asked them to describe it. May be I should. I have to tell, I never got a vision or experienced supernatural. I do not know what it means to be enlightened. I really hope I am on right track.

posted September 17, 2004 12:49 PM         

The enlightened one always hear a divine sound in their ears. Its called Annahta (sound of divine).

Regards

posted September 17, 2004 11:34 PM         

1. look at water.
It exists as steam, water, ice.
But its still H2O.

2. Look at the waves of ocean, it thinks its seperate from the ocean, but in reality its not.

3. Look at a tree, it has so many leaves all connected to the one stem. Don't forget the roots that are hidden, but common sense tells us it is the roots that really nourishes the tree.

posted September 18, 2004 03:33 AM         

Is that really all it takes to reach enlightement? To read your post and then by sharing a few words lots of graces will be received?

I am curious where did you hear about the divine sound that only the enlightened ones can hear between their ears? This is not something I have heard of before.

Do you really beleive that everyone is truly aware of the present moment? I have spent some time considering this, hence the delay in my reply to your post, and I think that most people are unaware of what is the present moment. In order to feel the moment we have to learn to just "be"

You say "feel the divinity everywhere" I think that most people do not even recognise the divinity within themselves, so how can they appreciate the divinity within all other things?

Surely we not only need to look at the water, steam etc we really need to "see" it.

posted September 18, 2004 08:31 AM         

A young boy went to his dad and said "How do I know that which is?"

His dad replied, "Ah, first you must obtain the highest schooling" and hence sent him to school and college. He arrived after graduation and said "Dad, I still don't know what that is?"

His dad said "after all I've paid for your schooling? You're still asking me questions?" Then he noticed something. His sons eyes contained somthing. He said "ah, but you haven't learnt anything yet of real value, I know, I'll send you off into the country. There you will find a herd of cows. Once you've spent ten years with the cows come back."

So his son trotted off. Ten years latter he forgot who he was or where he came from. The time spent with the cows had erased his memory of his past. Eventually he found his way back to his dad. He walked in, and looked at his dad. He has forgotten verbal language. His dad looked down on him and smiled "Ah, now you have truly learnt!". His sons face was expressionless.

Now, this appears to be your average Eastern story about understanding life (or lack there of) and maybe I butchered it, and missed the point in the retelling, but the basic impression I received when reading this the first time was "huh?". I mean, what? Why erase memory? To prove time doesn't exist? Well, how will you obtain food other than eating grass? I know there's more to life than modernisation, but erasing everything can't be the answer? We are here to experience, not just exist as bodies devoid of emotion or comprehension.

Anyhow, maybe Meilis around to explain that story better ( )

orchidspirit, indeed I do, but then what do I know? I just read recently that some groups of people were connected to higher "frequencies" of the Earth. I can't remember where, but I thought maybe the yogis helped the Earth, while we all did our thing to it.

posted September 18, 2004 02:22 PM         

When I meant by sharing it and receiving grace meant that the OUR Father who is in heaven, knows what you are doing and will reward you.

You need to be purify yourself before you , receive the knowledge...GOD please forgive me if I have broadcast it in a way to defame you. But, the reason I posted it is this:

I liked the title of this message...and thought to myself "I may pass away, but the words written on this post, might help others who has asked the same question in their life at some point of time".

Also please this is a reminder , as I have said in the beginning of my first post "These are my thoughts only. I may be wrong. I am still on that journey to meet God." If others have found the way, please let me know too. Lets learn from each other.

Hi Sesame, My name is apt. By saying my name you are also being reminded of what you really are. That is you, me and everyone are all part of that one divine.

Imagine 10 container filled with water...
When a sun passes over it. Theres 10 reflections of it...

Each one of that reflection is screaming I am That (I am that sun). Likewise when you listen to yourself you will hear it screaming I am that. But the big fat ego, blinds you from reality. It tells you that you are seperate from the creator.

To enjoy everlasting peace, we need to narrow this ego and destroy it. Only then we shall be really awake and never experience death.

Orchidspirit , you are right, we need to understand ourselves first before we even try to understand others.

"To know thyself is to know God."

Peace be upon all.

posted September 19, 2004 10:21 AM         

its quite a long page so if you cba to read it all, heres a small quote that may be relivant.
"The lowest level of the self, the ego or lower personality, is made up of impulses, or drives, to satisfy desires. These drives dominate reason or judgment and are defined as the forces in one's nature that must be brought under control. The self is a product of the self-centered consciousness - the ego, the "I." The self must be transformed - this is the ideal. The self is like a wild horse; it is powerful and virtually uncontrollable. As the self becomes trained, or transformed, it becomes capable of serving the individual. Sheikh Muzaffer has written,

The self is not bad in itself. Never blame your self. Part of the work of Sufism is to change the state of your self. The lowest state is that of being completely dominated by your wants and desires. The next state is to struggle with yourself, to seek to act according to reason and higher ideals and to criticize yourself when you fail. A much higher state is to be satisfied with whatever God provides for you, whether it means comfort or discomfort, fulfillment of physical needs or not."

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you kill a man in my name
when all i teach is not to mame. --unknown--