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Hedgewitch
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posted October 14, 2005 06:50 PM
 
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Hedgewitch
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posted October 14, 2005 06:54 PM
A new command I give you:
Love one another.
As I have loved you,
so you must love one another.
Matthew 13:34JC  IP: Logged |
Hedgewitch
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posted October 14, 2005 07:03 PM
Now abideth faith, hope, love;
these three;
but the greatest of these
is love.(I Corinthians 13:13)
Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
It does not boast,
It is not proud.
It is not rude,
It is not self-seeking,
It is not easily angered,
It keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects,
always trusts,
always hopes,
always perseveres.
Love never fails. (I Corinthians 13:4-8)
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sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted October 14, 2005 07:44 PM
Thanks a million all ye guys !!!! It has been interesting reading all your posts......not sure about the bible quotes (reminds me of my mother preaching at me).........but everyone to their own.....I can live with that!! I still feel that paganism and the bible dont go together at all....my intuition says if you are gonna be a christian, then it seems a bit futile to ignore the parts that dont please ye.....I am sure there are references to occult practices......as in condemning them....no I dont think they mix......wished they did....for ye guys that have a need to follow the book.....and dabble in the occult at the same time (even the word occult sounds very unholy doesnt it.....although I lean more to mysticism than religion myself so this isnt disapproval I show)! It somewhat reminds me of catholic religion......ignore what dont suit and just practice what does......feels a bit hypocritical somehow... Ive very strong past life recall of being a pagan and the catholic church banishing me........that is why I feel they dont marry up......opposite ends of the spectrum so to speak!!! I can see myself running out of church, followed by a stream of children.......I was a herb women, a witch if you like!!! Sorry guys, just my memory coming back to me........and the things that have come out very strong in this thread is the way the great book can be SO misconstrued/misinterpreted. I still think it is down to the individuals conscience to do what one feels is right......and not to depend on a book that was written thousands of years ago, that at times, human beings dont really understand......... Love to ye all
Sue xxx
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sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted October 14, 2005 07:44 PM
Thanks a million all ye guys !!!! It has been interesting reading all your posts......not sure about the bible quotes (reminds me of my mother preaching at me).........but everyone to their own.....I can live with that!! I still feel that paganism and the bible dont go together at all....my intuition says if you are gonna be a christian, then it seems a bit futile to ignore the parts that dont please ye.....I am sure there are references to occult practices......as in condemning them....no I dont think they mix......wished they did....for ye guys that have a need to follow the book.....and dabble in the occult at the same time (even the word occult sounds very unholy doesnt it.....although I lean more to mysticism than religion myself so this isnt disapproval I show)! It somewhat reminds me of catholic religion......ignore what dont suit and just practice what does......feels a bit hypocritical somehow... Ive very strong past life recall of being a pagan and the catholic church banishing me........that is why I feel they dont marry up......opposite ends of the spectrum so to speak!!! I can see myself running out of church, followed by a stream of children.......I was a herb women, a witch if you like!!! Sorry guys, just my memory coming back to me........and the things that have come out very strong in this thread is the way the great book can be SO misconstrued/misinterpreted. I still think it is down to the individuals conscience to do what one feels is right......and not to depend on a book that was written thousands of years ago, that at times, human beings dont really understand......... Love to ye all
Sue xxx
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sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted October 14, 2005 07:50 PM
PetronSorry I didnt say thanks for your quote......that is exactly what I was trying to pinpoint.......the bible does condemn divination, witchcraft etc.....hence my argument......the two dont marry. Thanks for that ...and by the look of that picture......a lot of us here are going "down"......repent.......repent......and throw away thos tarot cards if you wanna enter the KOH... xxxx IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted October 14, 2005 07:52 PM
Hey Petron,Nice to see you again, stirring the pot as usual.  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
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posted October 14, 2005 07:52 PM
OCCULT 
Means hidden or secret....
this can be knowlege..
this can be medical..as in hidden blood leakage..
Where it got the evil connotation is most likely the paranoid dogmatics who were afraid that they were wrong and "those other people" knew "something" they did not...so..it must be evil!
As with the first Genesis story..without restrictions...knowlege was a God given right.
But in the second version..LORD God..wanted sheep minded ones in his Eden Zoo.
Knowlege is power...Wisdom is the knowlege to use that power wisely.
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sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted October 14, 2005 07:55 PM
NO HOPEfor you and me fayte girl........see you down there then......  with our two husbands of course LOL and Magus with a bit of luck.........hehehehehe !!!! IP: Logged |
iAmThat
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From: third rock from the Sun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 14, 2005 11:08 PM
Even I believe they cannot exist together. Even though we exist as we are, and we ever will, we all have potentials to be greater than ourselves. In the story of Exodus, the serpent of Moses eats the Egyptians priests serpent.
Meaning, the God of Israel is powerful than the God of Egypt. The Pharoah (represents Satan) chases the Israelites(represents ourselves) and Moses/Pillar of Cloud (represents the Holy One who cares for us and has a plan for each one of us) guides us thru Nile. It does not mean the Egyptians do not belong to God. We are all His/Hers children, its just that events happens so that a story unfolds for us and we can understand. Israel represents what God expects us to be. The new Jerusalem in story of Revelation is within our heart. We are supposed to clean ourselves so that the holy one will dwell with us. Some even believe that Zion is the new city that God has build for those clean ones. Again it all boils down to faith. Besides what Petron quoted there are many verses in the Bible about a powerful God than the God worshipped by Egyptians / Babylons / Canaanites..... And Isaiah walked naked thru Jerusalem as a sign that Assyria will defeat and shame Egypt. (Isaiah 20:2-6) The sign is also for the Jewish nation who still put their trust in political alliances than in God. There are several instances where God tells clearly for us to put our trust only in Him. Divination,etc...all those tools weakens us. Again to each its own. This was an interesting thread indeed, I enjoyed it much.
*Edited later* I also believe that the world needs councellors(advisors) than divinators.
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sesame
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From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 15, 2005 01:04 PM
OI! Why can't they be compatible. All things being subjective, the book and the occult may be too - anyone remember Linda talking about Jesus learning from the Essenes for 18 years? About numerology and astrology etc? I get the feeling he was taught not to ram it down peoples throats, but to use them as tools, but hey, my interpretations! Likewise, anything i read is mine too. To say everything boils down to peadophilic preists is a bit simple. It's not so easy. If certain presist feel above the law and Jesus, well may they rot a thousand lives on Earth, but to say the book is faulty for it. Or to say the book is crap because of personal experiences is akin to saying the dictionary is crap because certain words offend. EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE. You can't say anything without the clause "In My Opinion". I'm sure certain Zen Monks are offended by some teachings, but they'd learn from them, not dismiss them as crap. How does anyone know what the truth is? EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE. That said, I've found cristians in my local neighborhood to be quite friendly, and non-believers sometimes to be harsh. Is this to say ALL christians are holier than thow? I'm sure God would be laughing at the quibles of humanity. Whatever makes us tick and think hey?Heaps of Love,
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Saturn's Child
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From: Just left of center
Registered: May 2004
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posted October 15, 2005 04:30 PM
Dean, what a wise and wonderful man are you!
The Bible is a book...written and interpreted by many....MEN. They wrote from their own subjectivity....guided by God? I don't know that. I wasn't there. I believe that all gifts come from the creator though. So if I write a book I beleive the ability to do so comes from my creator..a Divine Intellegence, there for anyone who would have it. The Bible is full of mysticism...it's everywhere. Yes, I believe the two are compatible, but I beleive one must have eyes to see and eyes to hear. I also beleive my ability to devinate the Tarot is God given. All of the parables that Jesus taught were filled with mysticism and magic...water into wine, etc.
And he said these things shall ye do also.
Sue, I also have a past life memory of being prosecuted for witchcraft..a horrible memory...made me very cautious this time around.
There is church here where I live called the Light of Christ Community Church. They've no problem at all with combining mysticisim and Christianity. They practise astrolgy, numerology, Reiki, etc. And, they teach Christ. I've not gotten to know them well enough to know how they feel about the OT, but I have attended several services and know the Bible is used as are teachings from others such as Bhuda, Baily and more.
The pastor there is Carol Parrish and is very well known around the world. She claims to be a walk-in and is mentioned in one of Ruth Montgomery's books regarding walk-ins.
But, when all is said and done...everyone will find their own path....and if it makes us strive to be our best, then it is good.
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iAmThat
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posted October 15, 2005 04:51 PM
Atlantis existed 850,000 years ago, then sunk and will rise. Some other land would sink. Paganism was existing, for some time it won't. Move over paganism, your lesser gods were given a kingdom to enjoy. Move over Baal, Shiva, Krishna, etc..Move over Polytheism, come in Monotheism. Move over the beings in the first act of creation (Genesis has 2 creation stories so does other faiths including Hinduism). Move in beings in the second act. All is part of the great Prahlaya of God.
There is a difference between a Mystic and a fortune teller. There are some here who are dead and will not make a difference. There are some here who are in danger of dying because they are alive. Let the dead bury the bury the dead. Those who are good Mystics can read between those lines.
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Saturn's Child
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From: Just left of center
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posted October 16, 2005 12:02 AM
quote:
There is a difference between a Mystic and a fortune teller.
Indeed, IAMTHAT, Indeed!! IP: Logged |
sesame
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From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 16, 2005 07:01 AM
Thanks Saturn's Child, Dean. IP: Logged |
Kat
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From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted October 17, 2005 06:27 PM
I know this may be getting off the subject, but does anyone here really believe in the devil or evil? Anyone have any proof? I've gotten plenty of proof of God, but "evil" to me seem dependent on someone "buying" into chaos, or false thinking. If you don't "buy" into "evil" it is deflated like a balloon. I say this because IAT mentioned that water signs are "partially evil" --- everyone has a darkside or ego and it seems pretty on the surface to me.Personally, my spirituality is pick and choose philosophy. Every view can be argued as right or wrong, so I figure pick what works for me and leave the rest. This weekend I did a Tarot reading because I was extremely down. The reading revealed ways for me to be more positive, generous, and have faith in the future. I realized people want me to connect with them more rather than keeping my distance. Personally I think this is good spiritual advice, so I choose it. I also read the bible. I avoid the views I feel do not come from a loving viewpoint. We human are weird when we trash other people and demand that we are right and that is wrong. I think the Course of Miracle is really great and defining the ego more so than any other text. So I choose that. and so on... Sue - Do you know the history or meaning of the Anck (spelling?) cross that you attached onto your post? I often wondered it's significance.
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sesame
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posted October 17, 2005 06:46 PM
My current feelings are that there is no evil - just excuses. Like if a person does something really bad, then you have to look at the primal cause. Is it for attention? Maybe jealousy, or some emotion that has created this feeling of animosity. In any case, I don't think there is an entity out there trying to make people act in evil ways, but selfish people who act out of their own needs. Sometimes it might seem easier to act out violently than to take things on the chin and act out lovingly. I mean, there are a lot of people out there who would be constantly hard done by, and there's no excuse for them to do evil things, but how do you explain that to them? I've met some people who just couldn't function in normal society - it seemed they wanted to go to prison. Maybe these people should join the army or a gym or something.Dean. IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 17, 2005 07:27 PM
Thanks for this thread. Sesame has brought up a few topics over the last year regarding these matters, and I've always wanted to delve into them, but my reasoning is a bit holey... and not the first class ticket kind.I haven't read this thread in its entirety because I wanted to gather my own thoughts first. But this has been bothering me for ages... this whole one thing or the other and if you make the wrong choice you face eternal damnation, and yet if you go where your heart doesn't take you, but your head says you should, then God knows anyway, right? *sigh* Surprisingly, I think about this very thing for the better part of most days. Must think some more, then read some more, then I'll get back. IP: Logged |
iAmThat
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From: third rock from the Sun
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posted October 17, 2005 09:30 PM
I wanted to say that water signs attracts negative energies. May be we exists that way because our creators made us so. Satan is the personification of Evil. There really is nothing holy or evil. Everything is in our mind. Bible's NT says every human is imperfect. I say, omay be only thru grace is he brought into perfection. Krishna and Shiva are not evil. Stories indicate their love for humanity.
Who knows may be Krishna and Christ are even same. I was only speaking in terms of their appearance on earth. Just as wisdom suggests theres God. We humans have defined his opposite as evil.
But if you read Genesis, it says something like let not darkness overcome light.
Each one has to battle to keep that light alive. Did't wanted to validate my beliefs on scripture.? But since a long time, all have walked the same path as we are. And all must have had something to say about Evil. Wish I was there then. The other option is to trust our own wisdom. I am not a realized person..Nada...I am on a journey and my thoughts reflect my current view point. May be it will change.
I am sorry to offend anyone. But its nice to know that everyone's perspective is respected in this forum. And thats the most important thing. Thanks to Dean, the moderator of this forum. IP: Logged |
sesame
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From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 18, 2005 07:56 AM
Hey man, I just wotk here Randall's the genius behind this place. And Linda the inspitation behind that  Thanks for your kind words, and future_uncertain. Happy contemplating. That's half the fun hey? (or 90 percent?)With Love,
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future_uncertain
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From: ohio
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 18, 2005 08:19 AM
You're welcome, Sesame. I love reading your posts. You strike me as a very gentle person. And, yes, contemplating is the fun part! It's nice to have with whom to discuss these kinds of things. One more reason why I love Lindaland! IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: former land of the leprechaun
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posted October 18, 2005 09:07 AM
Hi Kat  Some believe it was derived from an egyptian sandal strap. It is a symbol of physical and eternal life in Egypt and adorned many ceremonial sites. In art it was often depicted in the hands of the gods. In Ireland it is known as "the cross of peace" I have worn one around my neck for 2 or 3 years or so.....it was given to me as a gift, by a very special person... I treasure it. xx IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted October 18, 2005 10:31 AM
Some great Ankh links/pages! www.experiencefestival.com Just type in the word
ankh
in the Search the site box on the page at the above link. IP: Logged |
Saturn's Child
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From: Just left of center
Registered: May 2004
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posted October 18, 2005 01:07 PM
I have never believed that there was a devil/satan. When I was very young and going to church I had great difficulty with the concept. I questioned how it could be for satan to exist if God is omnipotent. I think that a belief in satan is an easy cop-out...the devil made me do it or satan got in the way....nonsense. I do know that people do what we call "evil" things/acts. But, I don't think those things are fostered by an evil entity. They are choices that are made by the individual to do things that bring harm. We feel must label everything good or evil. It seems to be in our nature to dichotomize all things.Petron....was your post just for reference or do you really believe those scriptures? I only ask because I have always found it odd that anyone who really holds with the teaching of abomination of astrology, tarot, numerology, etc would even visit and/or post at LindaLand. Just curious.
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Kat
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From: Cleveland, Ohio
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posted October 19, 2005 07:46 PM
Thanks all for the ankh answer.IP: Logged |
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