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Topic: Drugs and Disconnection
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sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4752
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted March 12, 2006 05:18 AM
 
I have made a connection with a young woman a Sag, aged 16. She is a very intelligent person but describes herself as a "stonehead"  She told me she really wanted to stop smoking weed and how she had so many ideas in her head but couldnt feel them, and was too lethargic to act upon them Her father was a user until recently and her mother is an alcoholic.... I noticed how her energy changed when she could see I was really listening to her. She said to me "you are so clear arent you?' She is sixteen and wasting her life, through being wasted most of the time. She told me when she had sex with someone, because he was stoned as well they didnt "feel" anything...and then afterwards they both said how they wished they had been "clear". This has made me very sad.....I have a 7year old son....I dont want him to be wasted or to waste his life. I had a clairvoyant tell me once "he will never do drugs"....he will have no need".....mmmmm.....that remains to be seen! I cant connect with people who get stoned it always feels there is a glass wall between us....but I really want to help this young woman.... Any comments or suggestions? Thanks. xxx IP: Logged |
BlueTopaz124
Knowflake Posts: 698
From: Portland, OR
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 12, 2006 07:11 AM
Sue, all I can say, is, continue being the person you are around her  and let her see what it's like to live without being high. Your example might create a strong enough desire in her to live a clear life. Be as caring, passionate and compassionate as you always are around her, showing that someone cares about her enough, it might make her want to go without all that and see there is another way to live. Up until now, her parents had been her primary example and doesn't know how to be any other way.You're already helping her by being yourself. Laura IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1229
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 12, 2006 08:15 AM
Well, the problem is that we choose our lives and experiences. When she is ready, she will move on. My only advice is to say "You are creating your destiny, you have to live with the consquences of the actions and decisions you are taking right now". It might sound like a lecture, but often I find deppression and hopelessnes come from within, not necessarilly the environment. That said, sometimes the only way to move on is to create a new environment, which might involve transcending the old one.Nice seeing you again,
Dean. IP: Logged |
hippichick
Knowflake Posts: 269
From: san antonio, texas
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted March 12, 2006 08:26 AM
Sue,
Wise advice from Laura and Dean. You have come into her life for a reason.
Continue to be the loving, wise soul that you are for her and that is all that you need to do.I have had ALOT of experience with drugs and alcohol. Many, many friends in my teen years as well as an alcoholic husband who also smoked alot of pot and took his own life. It is never the drugs and drink that are to blame, we, as you know, are souls all on our own path, to find our own way as is with this young woman. Re-memeber she as a soul chose this path. I do beleive we are here to learn and we learn from human relationships and she is/will learn from you and you from her. What that is is yet to be seen! Sending Peace, Love and Light,
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 12:26 PM
Having also been as this girl is now....myself at age 16...and most likely far far wilder...and from I think, mine, a much more dysfunctional family...
I totally understand. 
Let her confide in you.
Tell her you will still be her friend but that does not mean you condone her using. But also that you will not "blow her in".
She is crying out and reaching for help.
With your kindness she may be able to stop without needing rehab. But alot also depends on her peers. We are too often judged by, and influenced by, those whose company we keep.
Beware too, that she does not bring her "stuff" into your home.
You do not need that!
The only way I can see your sweet little boy becoming a user is if the feeling he has about the love between you and your husband is shattered in his eyes.
While he is young...if that family bond can keep on being close and loving...he WILL BE FINE!!!! 
Remember that psychic readings are for the seeing forward into the future "probabilities,
"at the time the reading was given based upon the circumstances in your life at THAT TIME!"
Any changes in your life from that day..can alter the reading you received previously.  IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 1987
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 12, 2006 12:48 PM
I totally want to reply to this topic,
and relate with all of you on this right now...But, I'm way too high. 
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 1987
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 12, 2006 12:52 PM
hi terri,
I'm sorry to hear about your husband.
Lots of Love to You,
Steve
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 01:07 PM
Terri
Did not read all the posts when I replied to Sue.
Sorry about your husband.
Suicide or attempting it is a very personal thing, and the motives usually very complex.I wish you happiness and love.
Love
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 01:11 PM
Hey there HSC!  IP: Logged |
hippichick
Knowflake Posts: 269
From: san antonio, texas
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted March 12, 2006 01:18 PM
Steve and FayteThank you. Suicide is always a personal decision. He killed himself because we were going through a divorce and he did on his great grandma's b-day, a very self centered act! Terri IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 01:34 PM
Yes...having almost gone that route myself...
It is very personal...
But is often in the severely and chronically depressed....very carefully planned and orchestrated to achieve the most impact upon those left behind.
It IS selfish...but at the time one does not feel anything but self pity and the vision or concepts of a better future elude them so completely. That abyss is deep. And silent and pervasive, infusing one to the depths of their being. No one could understand it if they have never actually been there.
It is an unfathomable struggling and finally so tired..nothing remains but the final acts to do to find a total release.
Unless someone/something, stops them..they WILL succeed.I apologize if my rambling here has stirred any sadness up more...
But I remember feeling as such. Just know that it was not your fault.
It is never about another person, not really...
It is a very personal self issue.
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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 1987
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 12, 2006 02:44 PM
Hi Fayte!,
I can totally relate to all that you just shared here.
And I'm so sorry for the pains you've suffered.
And all the more in admiration of your strength, and final triumph.
It is a personal thing, as you say,
and there is only so much we can express.
There are always varying shades of depth to this type of experience,
and, as for me,
like the poet Omar,
"I was never deep in anything but wine,". Nonetheless,
the words you speak here are not foreign to me: "That abyss is deep. And silent and pervasive, infusing one to the depths of their being. No one could understand it if they have never actually been there."
You express yourself eloquently, Fayte.
And I feel very blessed to know you,
and to have access to your heart and wisdom.
You are a witness.
Boundless love to you,
Heart-Shaped Steve
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hippichick
Knowflake Posts: 269
From: san antonio, texas
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted March 12, 2006 02:49 PM
FayteYou are deep and soulful human and express yourself quite eloquently and heartfelt.
Am sorry for your pain, glad you made it through and glad to have you here on earth with the rest of us! Terri IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 06:25 PM
Steve And Terri! {{{  }}} 
I am very humbled by your words to me.
Many Blessings and Joy and Love to you both!
{{{ }}} {{{ }}}
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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-
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Lei_Kuei
Knowflake Posts: 226
From: Window Between World
Registered: May 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 07:48 PM
Atleast she has ventured into your nice neck of the woods... I'm sure you will help her and she will learn a thing or two... Sometimes all one needs to turn their life around is having someone for them to vent on IP: Logged |
hippichick
Knowflake Posts: 269
From: san antonio, texas
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted March 12, 2006 08:35 PM
Fayte:
By the way, thank you. You have helped me to understand, almost 5 years later, what he was going through. I know one can not even imagine unless one has been there............The epitath on Jeff's grave marker reads "Earth hath no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal..........." Sue, Sorry for imposing on your thread Love you all!!!!!!!!!! Terri!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
Lialei
Knowflake Posts: 371
From:
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 12, 2006 10:21 PM
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sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4752
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted March 13, 2006 03:24 AM
Thankyou Knowflakes for all your comments and for being so honest.Keep em coming....... I spoke with her Dad yesterday, she is doing good, made new friends and is feeling less "neglected". He explained that cos her mother smokes weed and drinks at times, then she couldnt connect with her daughter....so in effect she was left "hanging"..... Anyway there seems to be great healing taking place between the father and the girl...he hadnt lived with her for 15 years and wants to make up for lost time . He is an Aquarian and finds it very hard to stay in his heart and lives in his head a lot. Myself and Kate, my best friend are helping him thro.....and I am teaching him to smile.....he said to me yesterday..."thanks for the smiling, it really helps" Such a serious man.....but a beautiful smile that lights up his face. God bless them both ***************************************************** Fayte Thanks for your words, whch I totally embrace. Unfortunately its not that straightforward with the drug issue. I have known a few who've come from loving families but have still gone on to be users. Its called "peer pressure". One girl in particular, I know of, very very loving mother and father, but she met a guy who is a stonehead and now she has followed him..... No its not that straightfoward......God if only it was.... Love xxx IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4752
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted March 13, 2006 07:07 AM
HSC"But I'm way too high" Was that meant as a joke....sorry, but I didnt find this funny... This is a serious issue for me, not one to be made fun of or take lightly.... Surely you as a Scorpio understand this..... Dont you ? x IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 13, 2006 08:21 AM
I agree Sue, about using drugs....
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"No its not that straightfoward......God if only it was...."Yes...we as parents do our best but circumstances beyond our control or influence do come into play.
Peer pressure amongst the young is a very strong force not easily reckoned with.
I did not mean to downplay the possibilty of your son someday becoming a user.
I just feel his odds are good for not becoming one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS- IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4752
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted March 13, 2006 08:52 AM
Many thanks Fayte for those most comforting of words....Bless you  xx IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3475
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted March 13, 2006 10:42 AM
I get good feelings about your son!
Something quite amazing there!
You will learn much from him. I hope that makes sense.
A remarkable child I feel!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages. IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4752
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted March 13, 2006 11:34 AM
It makes perfect sense FayteWe have been told this many times before.....but its so lovely to hear it again.... A gypsy woman told me "you will be very proud of him" Thankyou and love to you Fayte xx IP: Logged |
lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 821
From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted March 13, 2006 02:41 PM
drugs will mess you up later in life, and thats a fact.I don't consider pot a drug, there are far to many good things that it helps with. I was the exception to the rule. As a child I was extremely hyperactive and meds depressed me and made me hide and cry (age 4)As I got to be a teenager (in the 70's) I started smoking pot and it made me "even" with those around me (not jumping around like cukoo for coco puffs) I smoked for years  Then my oldest son was diagnosed with the same extreme hyperactivity and his Dr.'s did tests and told me in essence that what I was doing was self medicating and that with people like me this often happens. At that point I quit feeling guilty. I haven't grown out of it (hyperactivity) but I have grown up. Normally I advise young people to dare to be different and avoid it. But there are exceptions. And I have NEVER seen anyone OD on it. (maybe forget where they live ) IP: Logged |
sue g
Knowflake Posts: 4752
From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted March 13, 2006 02:45 PM
lalindaWhen I lived in England I saw SO many young people who smoked pot and became totally apethetic about life.....and completely hooked on it....doing it everyday I think it can be, if misused, a very debilitating drug.....indeed. My brother in law was diagnosed with cannabis psychosis....wont go into it now, but suffice to say, it would put you off weed for life !! Thanks for your post ! xx IP: Logged |
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