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Topic: Sylvia Browne: Authentic Psychic or Sinister Hoax?
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neptune5 Knowflake Posts: 2000 From: Registered: Jul 2006
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posted August 09, 2006 06:33 PM
I'm sure you all have heard of female "world-renowned" psychic/medium Sylvia Browne, i admired her, but when i found out one of her husbands was involved in a Fraud, and the fact that there is no scientific proof of her psychic/mediumship abilities. Don't get me wrong, i have MUCH Faith, but i'm a little suspicious now. Just want to know what everyone thinks, and wants to say about their opinion of Sylvia.Here's her birth chart, so you can make a few judgements off of it: http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=achart_ru4file0SAjIa-u1123555974.79826.16367.gif&res=100&va= Tell me what you think..... ------------------ Virgo Rising, Sagittarius Sun, Pisces Moon IP: Logged |
Venusian Love Knowflake Posts: 782 From: NYC Registered: Jun 2006
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posted August 09, 2006 07:21 PM
I doubt it. I once read in a newspaper article that she works very closely with detectives. I forgot in which state exactly though.
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Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 5663 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted August 09, 2006 08:29 PM
I've seen her. Please read "Past Lives, Future Healing" and see what you think. I think she has a gift..... I personally would not use the word "sinister" to describe her. "Presence" would be more like it. I'm not exactly a log in the perceptions department, and I get good vibes from her.Sylvia would compliment you for your good healthy skepticism!! Note: she divorced the guy re: the Fraud -- he ripped her off too..... Zala PS: It's nice when you and I agree on something, VL IP: Logged |
neptune5 Knowflake Posts: 2000 From: Registered: Jul 2006
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posted August 09, 2006 09:47 PM
Well, i don't know where you quoted the information from but I am not skeptic, i entirely believe in psychics and like i said i admire sylvia, but a few things showed up in the papers that seem to contradict it, so i was just curious to see everyone elses opinion.------------------ Virgo Rising, Sagittarius Sun, Pisces Moon IP: Logged |
Divine Goddess Knowflake Posts: 209 From: The arms of unconsciousness Registered: Sep 2005
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posted August 10, 2006 03:15 AM
Personally, I dont doubt her abilities. However, there are certain instances that have proved that she isn't really all that great a psychic.Browne has made many predictions of varying accuracy, including that Bill Clinton was falsely accused in the Lewinsky scandal (proved incorrect), that Bill Bradley would win the 2000 U.S. presidential election with the Reform Party coming in second, the "hiding in caves" of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, the death of bin Laden (later reported by the CIA as incorrect). Browne appeared as a guest of the May 24, 2006 episode of Montel. When an audience member asked if she would ever find her husband's body, Sylvia Browne replied that his body was in water. The woman responded that her husband died in the 9/11 attacks. Sylvia Browne explained that the "water" he was in must have been from the firemen trying to put out the fire. (Yeah Right!)
Plus, she also is the founder of a religious group. Like certain other "prophets" (L.Ron as an example), i tend to doubt people even more when it comes to such things.
The Society of Novus Spiritus is a Gnostic Christian religion that was founded by Sylvia Browne. The Society of Novus Spiritus teaches the Biblical works of Jesus Christ while also incorporating the Gnostic Gospels (ex: Gospel of Mary Magdalene). It also teaches that while the Bible is a "marvelous book" and should be used as a teaching tool, it is not the "unaltered word of God". One of the main philosophies of Novus Spiritus is that all spiritual questions can be answered. Novus teaches that the conventional Christian philosophy of, "have faith and trust in God" and "walk by faith and not by sight" is unacceptable, instead Novus encourages Christians to listen to the teachings of Jesus when he said, "Knock and the door will open. Seek and the answers will be provided. Sylvia Browne contradicted one of her stories regarding totem animals, which appeared in two of her books. In "Visits From the Afterlife", the story involved an ex-husband and herself. "In Life On The Other Side", the same exact story, this time, involved a client unrelated to her. Many critics say an incident involving Browne on January 3, 2006 on the U.S. radio program Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, is evidence of her deception and fraud. The incident, which was broadcast live, involved Browne making her predictions for 2006. Browne and Noory were discussing the nature of her psychic premonitions, when Noory brought up the 2006 Sago Mine disaster. At the time it was believed, due to erroneous news reports, that 12 of the 13 trapped miners had been found alive. A transcript of the conversation follows: Noory: Of course, this is after the fact, with the 12 or 13 coal miners they found successfully. Browne: I know. Noory: Had you been on the program today, and had they not been found, would you have felt as if, because they had heard no sounds, that this was a very gloomy moment, and they might have all died? Browne: No, I knew they were going to be found. Uh, you know, I hate people who say something after the fact. It's just like I knew when the Pope was dead and I said it on, thank God I was on Montel's show, and I said, according to the time, it was 9-something and whatever Rome time was, and I said he's gone, and he was. In that exchange, Browne clearly states that she "knew" the miners would be found alive, a statement presented as an example of her psychic abilities. A short while later in the program the news broke that the original reports were incorrect, and only one of the 13 miners was alive. Browne was still with a clearly shocked Noory and the following conversation ensued: Noory: We're going to follow that story this hour when we're with you, Sylvia, taking phone calls and then... Browne: Right. Noory: For those of you who are with our affiliate stations, I will be live in that last hour of Coast to Coast... Browne: Yeah, I don't think there's, I don't think there's, I don't really think there's anybody alive. If there is, I think maybe only one, I just don't believe that there's... I haven't heard anything because I've been with you, but I just don't think they are alive. Noory: That's frustrating. Browne: It's terrible, isn't it? Noory: O.K, let's go the phones. Later in the program, Noory once again brought the issue up with Browne, in what many see as an attempt by Noory to allow Browne to correct her previous contradiction. Instead, they claim, Browne came out looking worse. Noory: Sylvia, with the accuracy rate that you have, and it is very high, of the few that you get wrong, do they sometimes become right, maybe later on? Browne: Yeah, but see I never... I didn't believe that they were alive Noory: What's that? The miners? Browne: Uhuh. Noory: Oh, okay. Browne: No, I think that they're... and see I've been on the show with you, so I don't know but I don't think that there's any that are gonna make it. Noory: Well, that's not a good situation. Browne: No. Noory: Thirteen were in there, they said one had died, 12 were alive. Browne: Well, there's 12 gone Noory: I think the misunderstanding for you was that I was telling you, after the fact, that they were alive. Had that story not broken while we were on the air... what do you think would have happened ? And that's where I think we threw a curve ball at you. Browne: Yeah, no, I just believed that they were gone. Noory: Well, I think unfortunately you may be right. This has been highlighted by many as a clear example of Browne's lack of psychic abilities, citing her sudden reversal of opinion when informed of the development. James Randi wrote on his website "For anyone not familiar with the methods of these charlatans, this would appear to be a calamitous failure, a blow-out, a total screw-up - but not to anyone familiar with the callous likes of Sylvia Browne." Many skeptics have also criticized Noory for failing to be more direct with Browne about this change of view. Browne has been quoted many times as saying that she is not 100% accurate. And regarding her crimal convictions:
In 1992, Browne and her estranged husband were indicted on several charges of investment fraud and grand theft. The Superior Court of Santa Clara County, California, found that Browne and her husband sold securities in a gold-mining venture under false pretences. In at least one instance, they told a couple their US $20,000 investment was to be used for immediate operating costs. Instead, the money was transferred to an account for their Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research. Browne's ex-husband has been quoted as saying that Sylvia was unaware of the investment fraud and should not be held accountable for his actions. Sylvia has attempted to explain her inability to foresee her own conviction by claiming that her psychic abilities do not work on herself and calling her critics 'ignorant'. *~*~*~*~*~*~* On an ending note, i would like to point out that I'm neither pro, nor anti Sylvia Browne. She is human, and isn't perfect. But one shouldn't solely depend on her. ------------------ Superstition is to religion what astronomy is to astrology: the mad daughter of a wise mother IP: Logged |
Wednesday Knowflake Posts: 695 From: The big C... Canada :) Registered: Jul 2006
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posted August 10, 2006 12:42 PM
I enjoy her books, much of what she's covered rings true to me. Yet if I think about it, what I like the most are the parts that were channeled by her spirit guide, especially in the Journey of the Soul set, probably because it feels "closest to home." I enjoy reading about her adventures, like those written in "Visits From The Afterlife." Generally I don't pay attention to predictions, so whether they come true or not, it never bothers me. Her personal life doesn't interest me (I haven't read her biography yet). I'm not sure what vibes I get from her. Maybe physical appearance is a bit distracting.What Divine Goddess has written is interesting. I do believe she has psychic abilities and her love for God. I like this saying: Take what you want and leave the rest behind. IP: Logged |
amisha121877 Knowflake Posts: 1114 From: Tri-State, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted August 10, 2006 05:17 PM
It does kind of suck - sort of like, seeing the forest from the trees, seeing the trees from the forestit's weird how you can use your gifts to see/hear/help others but can't seem to help yourself. it really sucks IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 1733 From: The Ether Registered: Jan 2006
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posted August 10, 2006 05:49 PM
I have several of her books and watch her on Montel from time to time and while I do feel she has genuine abilities, what tends to agner me is the huge $$ she charges for readings as well as her son and the obvious upper class of living she enjoys.I have considered that maybe she charges so much to weed out ppl as I am sure she can not keep up with requests, but it still bothers me! IP: Logged |
angel_of_hope Knowflake Posts: 1240 From: Palmer, Alaska Registered: Jul 2004
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posted August 10, 2006 06:25 PM
I remember some talk of here around here sometime back .... here's the link http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000411.html IP: Logged |
Kat Knowflake Posts: 901 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Jan 2003
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posted August 12, 2006 10:57 AM
I 've been to several psychics and even Lilydale a few times; I guess I want to have hope that psychic abilities and this connection that we have with God exists. Unfortunately, most have been really off. Only one young woman who was very spacey had given me great info - for another aspect for my life than what was intended-still worthwhile. I don't consider myself to be psychic, but frankly I've been more accurate than some of the professionals??? I wouldn't go to a doctor that was correct 50% of the time and I don't consider someone truly psychic if they are correct only 50-80% of the time. The problem is no one really is accurate 100% of the time, so if we trust our own intuition - the accuracy rate shoots up to 100% so why put your hopes into someone else's hands when you have the answers all along?My thoughts about Sylvia... she has some talent, not perfect, but she's inflated by her personality and marketing. IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6591 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 12, 2006 11:22 AM
Another discussion on her from about a year ago. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001635.html Kat, it was refreshing to revisit your predictions ------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 1505 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 12:23 PM
She is genuine, but she must not do so many readings in one day. In other words she is too commercialised. Again, I never did one reading with her so my comments may not be appropriate. I was watching special on psychic twin sisters at http://www.psychictwins.com/ They seem genuine too.
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Wednesday Knowflake Posts: 695 From: The big C... Canada :) Registered: Jul 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 02:36 PM
Hey Mannu, May I ask why shouldn't she do so many readings in one day? Because she'd get exhausted? How many readings does she usually have in one day? Can this be applied to other psychics too?IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 2186 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 03:32 PM
I do have to agree that the amount of money she charges for a reading is too expensive. I have noticed that she is good in some areas of her work, while in others not as much. But, hey, we all have our areas of expertise. Her book on astrology is not as interesting, as others, as she lacks depth in that subject.------------------ ~*Silverstone~* IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6591 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 12, 2006 04:41 PM
Astrology Through a Psychics Eyes was ment to be humourous... and it was So perhaps we should refrain from passing judgement on what she has expertise in ------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 2186 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 05:12 PM
Juniperb,It was humorous to a certain degree. quote: So perhaps we should refrain from passing judgement on what she has expertise in
I like Sylvia Browne. Not all of her books are my favorites, but some I enjoyed reading. And that is my opinion. The Astrology book was also not that humorous. I also assess what I read... I would assume most people would critique and assess the material being read. I actually like opinionated people. It is crucial to collaborate to brighten and share perspective... and to collaborate we have to share our thoughts. and in your quote you state, "We", you mean "you" directing it to me. Perhaps YOU should refrain from making quick assumptions ... LOL We all have our areas of expertise and that is what I was conveying! Cheers, ------------------ ~*Silverstone~* IP: Logged |
lotusheartone unregistered
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posted August 12, 2006 05:16 PM
The question was...Sylvia Browne: Authentic Psychic or Sinister Hoax? The definition of Judgement: A judging; deciding 2. a legal decision; order given by a judge, etc. 3. an opinion 4. the ability to come to an opinion 5. [J-] short for Last Judgement my opinion is, she is a sinsister..laughing all the way to the bank. ... IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6591 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 12, 2006 05:28 PM
Ego speaking Silverstone? Is this a group thread or only you and I? One subject matter or more? I say what I mean and mean what I say;now assumptions are tricky devils are they not?
------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 2186 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 05:34 PM
No ego speaking here, Juni... I like you. I did say,"It is crucial to collaborate to brighten and share perspective... and to collaborate we have to share our thoughts."I was a bit surprised you telling me to refrain on passing judjement! As I know you directed it to me! How about you, EGO speaking, Juniperb? (just checking) I also mean what I say. Cheers,
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silverstone Moderator Posts: 2186 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 05:39 PM
ATTITUDE: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADVENTURE AND ORDEAL Cheers, ------------------ ~*Silverstone~* IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6591 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 12, 2006 06:03 PM
Silverstone, I find your bravado delightful yet sometimes a cigar is just a cigar,yes?...and I like you too.
------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 1505 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 06:11 PM
Hi Wednesday, quote:
Because she'd get exhausted? How many readings does she usually have in one day? Can this be applied to other psychics too?
It may be that I'm too superstitious But yes it may be exhaustive. Also I believe that every time a psychic connects to the subject he/she comes in contact with both positive and negative things of the subject. Therefore you see many psychics prone to cancer and arthritis or other diseases. It was only a theory at first but I drew conclusions hearing great psychics including edgar cayce. All depends on the source that gives the power. In my experience, it takes sometimes days and sometimes weeks before they bounce back. Therefore I wudn't advice people to come in contact with people if they do not have the gifts.
Hope it makes sense. Also people with cheerful outlook and positivity, unknowingly transmits peace/bliss around. And people who come in contact with such aura inturn experience some peace. Also I do not know how many readings per day she gives as I'm not an insider. I don't change my channel though whenever I see Sylvia IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 2186 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 06:21 PM
Juni, quote: I find your bravado delightful ....
Definition of bravado Bravado: An ostentatious display of courage. Now definition of Ostentatious.. Ostentatious: Characterized by pretentious show in an attempt to impress others. For the record, I am not here to impress others. I am in LL to learn and share(when I can) Sorry if I've ever displayed that kind of courage Those are not my intentions. Anyhow, I like you... as most of the time I get a good feeling from you Attitude: The difference between adventure and ordeal Cheers, ------------------ ~*Silverstone~* IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 2186 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 12, 2006 06:38 PM
wednesday: Quote: "...Yet if I think about it, what I like the most are the parts that were channeled by her spirit guide, especially in the Journey of the Soul set..."So true... ------------------ ~*Silverstone~* IP: Logged |
Nephthys Moderator Posts: 3336 From: California Registered: Oct 2001
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posted August 12, 2006 10:36 PM
I didn't read everyone's replies here, but I think it's only fair that I reply that I don't feel she is completely true/honest. There are some psychics that I totally, completely believe and trust. I have always felt hesitant about her. Other people I know feel the same way. IP: Logged | |