posted April 12, 2007 02:46 PM         

~GESTATION~

A NEST I GOT
I GOT A NEST
EASING TOT
SAGE IN TOT
AGES IN TOT
STAGE INTO
GATES INTO
TOTE GAINS
TAINTS EGO
AN EGOTIST
TITAN EGOS

posted April 12, 2007 04:14 PM         

I said fertilized egg because an average person takes 3 time period when they leave one body and take up another one. The mental setup gets transferred from the old body to the new body and can take upto 13 days.

In my opinion, this is such a vast subject that the more we talk about it the more the myteries will be revealed

Perhaps you are right too. And your point also makes sense by following reasoning:

After death, a physical body can be alive without soul because body is just another form of energy.

It has been proven that nails of dead people grow for some days even when they are dead. Hehehe, we must look at coffins to find that out

So when we understand the mystery of death, we naturally understand the mystery of birth. And vice versa.

What is a time moment? Is it defined as seconds? Didn't our scientist define it
w.r.t cesium atom?

But an interesting thing is the hindus do not measure time like that. Not everyones watch will have the same time
Let me explain.

The hindu sages have defined the interval between two consecutive thoughts as time. It could naturally then be longer for some and shorter for some.

Oh Einstein, were you inspired when you wrote the theory of relativity?

Fayte,
Lotusheartone is creating nuisance and I think we may have to take this offline. Lets share secretly our secrets

posted April 12, 2007 05:18 PM         

Lotusheartone,
I will not correct you either or respond to your posts until you say so. Will respect your decision.

Truth is indeed very dangerous and the world will hate you if you speak it.
They will drop you as a friend, your parents will strike your name out from their inheritance, all sorts of hurdles.

When you realize it hope someday you will remember me

posted April 12, 2007 05:36 PM         

When the male becomes female and the female male. When the inner is like the outside and the outside like the inside for you.

When you break away from these moulds and you have no desires. When you accept suffering and go thru the hellish experience and survive and when you accept joyful experience and do not desire to go back.

i.e When you will have gone above and beyond identities, beyond the morality of wrong and right, beyond desires, sufferings, darkness and light, beyond pain and suffering , it is then you merge with the one universal consciousness and you are everywhere at the same time and yet no where. You are just a witness. Sitting on the right hand of God (pun intended)

Hehehe, those are the ramblings of this mad guy today.

posted April 12, 2007 06:34 PM         

beautiful

Lotus,
Mannu should have the right to a peaceful, nonjudgemental space to share his thoughts. It is getting tiring the way you hijack interesting threads, distracting people from focus on the discussion. Glad to see when they carry on as they were.
We know differently of Mannu~~what you say couldn't be further from the truth . He's been much kinder to you than you than many others might have been. So has Fayte.
It's sad you can't be grateful for people who have cared about you.

Please carry on, guys.

Do not engage

posted April 12, 2007 07:05 PM         

Lotus I cared about you and defended you at the cost of myself being ridiculed and attacked.
And yes.....I was questioned and attacked for defending you.
Pease at least TRY to be tolerant of others and think of the Serenity prayer perhaps......
You cannot force people to be like you to think like you...we are all on our own paths...not yours.....
And realize when folks do care.....
If you persist in forcing your will upon others.....
You will keep being sad bitter and lonely.
Even when you have been rude and unkind.....
I have returned to try and comfort you and help you.
Don't let a few liars and fakes who promised what they could not deliver, to make you angry at everyone.
Mannu is just being himself. So am I.
Yeah you got the bums rush off some.
They made promises and it was all lies.
You are hurting.
Take care of you Lotus.
The world can take care of itself for now.
You need to find time and peace and joy, just for you.

posted April 12, 2007 08:18 PM         

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

ps, I really liked the nic "IAmThat", but I also like "Mannu". All words create images, you just need to choose one that vibrates with you and continue to shed that enenrgy. Once shed, you may pick up others that will also want to be shed. In any case, who you are here is a reflection of you out there, but in a different mirror.

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I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it.

Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79

posted April 12, 2007 11:43 PM         

Magically Logical Magic
AAAA CCC GGG III LLLL MM O Y
I am just being weird tonight.
So was anagramming words in your post.

Here are a few Anagrams of them.
Rather silly.

~Logically Magical Logic~

I GAG A CYCLICAL ILL GLOOM
I GIGGLY CLAIM A COOL CALL
MAGICALLY LOGICAL LOGIC
I MAGICALLY CALL COOL GIG
MAGICAL LOGICALLY LOGIC
COMICALLY ILLOGICAL GAG
LA COMICALLY LOGICAL GIG
______________________________
~Magically Logical Magic~

ALL A COMICALLY MAGIC GIG
I AM GIGGLY, A COMICAL CALL
A COMICAL CALM LA GIGGLY I
GIGGLY MAIL A CALICO CLAM
I AM ICILY CALM, GO GAG CALL

~HARMONY~
anagrams

OR A HYMN
MY! A HORN!
NARY OHM
MAY HORN
MA HORNY
AM HORNY

~ULTIMATELY~
anagrams

A MUTT! I YELL
A LITTLE YUM
LIE MUTT, LAY!
MUTELY ALIT
YEA, MUTT ILL
AYE, MUTT ILL
MUTATE LILY

posted April 13, 2007 07:51 AM         

I still have nothing against Lotushearone still. She is just worrying too much, I was trying to help her see that and come out of it.
====================================More ramblings as of Apr 13 4.49am EST=====

The idol is not so important as the process of idol worship. When we say surrender to your master, the surrendering is more important than to whom we surrender.

I think this is what I was implying few weeks before on the subject of false gurus. Even when the guru is false, the disciple become wise enough to drop that guru and move on. Definitely something was gained by the disciple in that process.

When we die, neither our deeds nor our sins will get us to heaven. You may have donated a million dollar to charity. Or would have had 1000 disciples, none of this would help us get thru the door. This is what Jesus was saying "Its easy for a camel to pass thru a needle hole than for a rich man to pass thru that." (reworded)
This is exactly what happens when we all die. We just cannot bear the seperation between the body and our other selves. We think only the physical world is real. Beautiful Jesus. Very beautiful indeed. I never understood that teaching before, but with the master key, all the secrets just opens up.

What matters is how much conscious we all have been in our daily lives. Did I give my 100 percent when I loved? Did I give my 100 percent when I prayed or meditated? Did I give my hundred percent when I was working? Etc...

If one is an addict of porn or smoking or drinking, they had never enjoyed consciously the whole experience and hence are unfulfilled. They keep doing the same thing to get that best experience.

A disciple said to his zen Master, how did you become enlightened. The master replied simple "When I eat, I eat. When I sleep I sleep". How many of us watch tv while we eat or read something. Hahaha.....don't be guilty folks. I used to do that too. Hahaha

posted April 13, 2007 08:22 AM         

The quote you "reworded" is:

quote:

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Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 19:23-25 (in Context) Matthew 19 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Mark 10:24-26 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 18:25
Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 18:24-26 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)

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Now, I find this quote rather funny because I've heard that Camel in Aramaic is very close to a thick thread.

Fayte, that was great!

posted April 13, 2007 08:25 AM         

quote:

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If one is an addict of porn or smoking or drinking, they had never enjoyed consciously the whole experience and hence are unfulfilled. They keep doing the same thing to get that best experience.

A disciple said to his zen Master, how did you become enlightened. The master replied simple "When I eat, I eat. When I sleep I sleep".

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posted April 13, 2007 09:03 AM         

quote:

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The parable of the "camel "καμηλος" through the eye of a needle." (Mark 10:25, Matthew 19:24, Luke 18:25) In Aramaic, the word for camel/גמלא is spelled identically to the word for rope/גמלא suggesting that the correct phrase was "rope through the eye of a needle.

Also what was considered rope then was any multi-corded thread...or cord. This could be very thin and used with a large 6inch carpet needle. It would have been like kite cord or twine and more confusion added due to it being made from the hair of a Camel.

In Greek:
KAMILOS
KAMHLOS
KAMELON
very similar indeed
And:
The Aramaic:
GAMLA means:
ROPE and CAMEL

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Post problems....continued next post.

posted April 13, 2007 09:05 AM         

quote:

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HEBREW NEW TESTAMENT STUDIES
MORE NT STUDIES
'The camel and the eye of the needle', Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, Luke 18:25

Just where is that gate in Jerusalem?
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)
For the last two centuries it has been common teaching in Sunday School that there is a gate in Jerusalem called the eye of the needle through which a camel could not pass unless it stooped and first had all its baggage first removed. After dark, when the main gates were shut, travellers or merchants would have to use this smaller gate, through which the camel could only enter unencumbered and crawling on its knees! Great sermon material, with the parallels of coming to God on our knees without all our baggage. A lovely story and an excellent parable for preaching but unfortunately unfounded! From at least the 15th century, and possibly as early as the 9th but not earlier, this story has been put forth, however, there is no evidence for such a gate, nor record of reprimand of the architect who may have forgotten to make a gate big enough for the camel and rider to pass through unhindered.

Variations on this theme include that of ancient inns having small entrances to thwart thieves, or the story of an old mountain pass known as the "eye of the needle", so narrow that merchants would have to dismount from their camels and were thus easier prey for brigands lying in wait.

Mangled Greek maybe?
There are some differences in the transmitted Greek. The needle in Matthew and Mark is a rafic. In Luke it is a belone. But both are synonyms for needles used in sewing, but Luke's is more likely to be used by a surgeon than a seamstress.

Another possible solution comes from the possibility of a Greek misprint. The suggestion is that the Greek word kamilos ('camel') should really be kamźlos, meaning 'cable, rope', as some late New Testament manuscripts1 actually have here. Hence it is easier to thread a needle with a rope rather than a strand of cotton than for a rich man to enter the kingdom. A neat but unnecessary solution!

A variation on all of the above is that the needle was a 6 inch carpet needle and the rope was made of camel hair- but this is again clutching at straws or camel hair, and is an unnecessary emendation.

Makes sense in Aramaic
An alternative linguistic explanation is taken from George M Lamsa's Syriac-Aramaic Peshitta translation2 which has the word 'rope' in the main text but a footnote on Matthew 19:24 which states that the Aramaic word gamla means rope and camel, possibly because the ropes were made from camel hair. Evidence for this also comes from the 10th century Aramaic lexicographer Mar Bahlul who gives the meaning as a "a large rope used to bind ships". (cf. http://www.aramaicnt.org/HTML/LUKE/evidences/Camel.html)

Some have even suggested a pun in Aramaic between camel and gnat or louse from the Aramaic kalma 'vermin, louse'.

Just as the apocryphal Acts of Peter and Andrew3 refers the saying to a literal camel and needle, so we are not meant to reason away the apparent difficulty of getting a camel through a needle's eye. For the difficulty is not apparent it is real, and not be solved by textual trickery but by taking the ludicrous language at face value.

What we have instead then, I believe, is a beautiful Hebrew hyperbole, as in the tree sticking out of one's eye whilst one is removing a speck in another's eye! Indeed, Jewish Talmudic literature uses a similar aphorism about an elephant passing through the eye of a needle as a figure of speech implying the unlikely or impossible:
"They do not show a man a palm tree of gold, nor an elephant going through the eye of a needle."4
This first instance concerned dreams and their interpretation and suggested that men only dream that which is natural or possible, not that which is unlikely ever to have occurred to them.
"… who can make an elephant pass through the eye of a needle."5
In this case, the illustration concerns a dispute between two rabbis, one of whom suggests that the other is speaking "things which are impossible".

The camel was the largest animal seen regularly in Israel, whereas in regions where the Babylonian Talmud was written, the elephant was the biggest animal. Thus the aphorism is culturally translated from a camel to an elephant in regions outside of Israel.

The aim is not, then, to explain away the paradox and make the needle a huge carpet needle for, elsewhere, the Jewish writings use the "eye of the needle" as a picture of a very small place, "A needle's eye is not too narrow for two friends, but the world is not wide enough for two enemies."6 . The ludicrous contrast between the small size of the needle's eye and the largest indigenous animal is to be preserved for its very improbability.

Jesus' hearers believed that wealth and prosperity were a sign of God's blessing (cf. Leviticus and Deuteronomy). So their incredulity is more along the lines that, "if the rich, who must be seen as righteous by God by dint of their evident blessing, can't be saved, who can be?". Later Christians have turned this around to portray wealth as a hindrance to salvation, which it can be – but no more so than many other things, when the message is that salvation is impossible for all men for it comes from God alone.

But beyond impossibility is possibility with God for, elsewhere, a Jewish midrash records:
"The Holy One said, open for me a door as big as a needle's eye and I will open for you a door through which may enter tents and [camels?]"7
In other words God only needs the sinner to open up just a crack for him and God will come pouring in and set up room for an oasis. God only needs a 'foot in the door', so to speak.

This is similar to the Talmudic use of two Hebrew letters, one which represents God holiness ('Q' Qoph, as in qadōsh 'holy') and another representing evil ('R' Resh, as in ra' 'evil'), in a story told for the purpose of teaching the Hebrew alphabet and Jewish morals. It is said that 'q' has a separated opening in order that should 'r' repent he may enter into God's holiness through the small opening.

A brief survey of sermons or search on the Internet reveals how many perpetuate the myth of the small gate in Jerusalem. Victorian travellers to the Holy Land even claim to have been shown it. The inaccuracy may appear harmless but it is neither good scholarship nor good exposition. The exaggerated and contrasted size is deliberate and is not an overt judgement on riches or poverty. Jesus reflects on how hard it often is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God. The riches are a distraction and hard to share if one is too attached to them. The disciples' incredulity is that if even the rich cannot be saved, who can? But the verdict is that even the rich, not only the rich, will find it impossible to save themselves – but with God all things are possible.

Notes
Mainly 11th century or later, and in one 9th/10th century manuscript, however all early manuscripts and quotations in the church fathers from the 3rd through to the 8th centuries have 'camel' not 'rope'.
The New Testament according to the Eastern Text, George M Lamsa, 1940, p.xxiv and note on Matthew 19:24.
"13 There was a rich man named Onesiphorus who said: If I believe, shall I be able to do wonders? Andrew said: Yes, if you forsake your wife and all your possessions. He was angry and put his garment about Andrew's neck and began to beat him, saying: You are a wizard, why should I do so? 14 Peter saw it and told him to leave off. He said: I see you are wiser than he. What do you say? Peter said: I tell you this: it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Onesiphorus was yet more angry and took his garment off Andrew's neck and cast it on Peter's and haled him along, saying: You are worse than the other. If you show me this sign, I and the whole city will believe but if not you shall be punished. 15 Peter was troubled and stood and prayed: Lord, help us at this hour, for thou hast entrapped us by thy words. 16 The Saviour appeared in the form of a boy of twelve years, wearing a linen garment 'smooth within and without', and said; Fear not: let the needle and the camel be brought. There was a huckster in the town who had been converted by Philip; and he heard of it, and looked for a needle with a large eye, but Peter said: Nothing is impossible with God rather bring a needle with a small eye. 17 When it was brought, Peter saw a camel coming and stuck the needle in the ground and cried: In the name of Jesus Christ crucified under Pontius Pilate I command thee, camel, to go through the eye of the needle. The eye opened like a gate and the camel passed through; and yet again, at Peter's bidding. 18 Onesiphorus said: You are a great sorcerer: but I shall not believe unless I may send for a needle and a camel. And he said secretly to a servant: Bring a camel and a needle, and find a defiled woman and some swine's flesh and bring them too. And Peter heard it in the spirit and said: O slow to believe, bring your camel and woman and needle and flesh. 19 When they were brought Peter stuck the needle in the ground, with the flesh, the woman was on the camel. He commanded it as before, and the camel went through, and back again. 20 Onesiphorus cried out, convinced and said: Listen. I have lands and vineyards and 27 litrae of gold and 50 of silver, and many slaves: I will give my goods to the poor and free my slaves if I may do a wonders like you. Peter said: If you believe, you shall. 21 Yet he was afraid he might not be able, because he was not baptized, but a voice came: Let him do what he will. So Onesiphorus stood before the needle and camel and commanded it to go through and it went as far as the neck and stopped. And he asked why. 'Because you are not yet baptized.' He was content, and the apostles went to his house, and 1,000 souls were baptized that night." (Acts of Peter and Andrew vv.14-21, The Apocryphal New Testament, M R James, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1924, p459).
Babylonian Talmud, Berakoth, 55b
Babylonian Talmud, Baba Mezi'a, 38b
Source not traced but cf. Midrash Rabbah, Genesis 1.3
Midrash Rabbah, The Song of Songs, 5.3; cf. Pesiqta R., 15, ed. Friedmann, p.70a; Soncino Zohar, Vayikra 3, p95a

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posted April 13, 2007 01:47 PM         

Dean,
Yes, thats the quote. Its another interesting topic that you have brought up.
I may dream of owning a bentley car, and when I actually own that car my dream is fulfilled.
Is the arrival of a car reality? How many of us actually realize the next truth when the car
actually arrives? We must open another thread to discuss this

posted April 13, 2007 01:47 PM         

You Rock

When we enjoy something we are doing it with 100 percent consciousness. And what we are guilty about later or regret later we had never done it with full sensitivity or consciousness. Hence it remains as repressed energy withus. But here is a paradox : When we do something consciously, lets say when we know smoking is bad for health, we will not have the urge to smoke.

posted April 13, 2007 01:48 PM         

I remembered this Master say "Those who have done meditation atleast once, can hold longer jumping to the next physical body and has time to choose the next body and their parents" I think you do meditation correct? Its good for you
He also said lots of things but its hard to type all that here. May be in time.

Everyone,

posted April 13, 2007 01:48 PM         

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Up until 11 1/2 weeks twins may suddenly become one, as one dies and is reabsorbed or is lost.

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I am not sure which email address I used to communicate with you, can you drop one line and I can reply.
Are you saying that there are many ferilized egg , that makes its upward journey towards the womb?
And some of them die and cannot make it. When one egg anchors, it is there that it divides and redivides
by some intelligence. The blue print of body is in each and every cell. That is information such as
what color the eye? what color the hair will be? etc.
When does the first heart beat? When I saw a tv special,
the cells divides , redivides continously rythmically with a heart beat boom boom boom... Its as if watching a symphony
Its interesting to know that the heart is made before the brain.

Doesn't it make sense that the soul dwell when that first heart beats? Is it possible to distinguish when that happens
And when the soul body is transferred. The rest of our bodies/setup follows and might take 13 days
So this Master adviced us that in that period, when we carry out the rituals, to speak to the departed soul. Help him take birth in next body so that he can fulfil his purpose. Remind him that the physical is not real and get enlightened fast.

Love to all.

posted April 13, 2007 01:51 PM         

This Master says, when the Manu's laws were written he added a disclaimer "The laws can be changed by the society in time".

Hehe, I wonder why Moses didn't add that too

Dean,
Perhaps I was too conscience driven too when I came first time to LL and must now have another name change from Manu/Mannu
Just kidding.

Lotusheartone if you are listening, this is what I was asking of you too. To drop the conscience. Drop it and you will drop your fears too.

If a calamity approaches earth, there are people who understand the art of dying and will die gracefully. Please don't worry about them.

posted April 13, 2007 02:49 PM         

But the soul entering the fermented egg was my theory. Not his. I wish I cud get more of his time. But all I get of him is 2 weeks a year and he surrounded by people
Hope you don't mind my questioning .

When I meet him next, I can hopefully get clarification.

posted April 14, 2007 12:08 AM         

I just finished watching House on USA 11pm. I don't know , is it synchronisity or what? I didn't plan it , just happened.

As I mentioned before, theres so many lessons to learn watching some of the episodes.

In this episode Mr House who is always right was forced to rethink by his Boss (the Dean The Maternal instinct saved the baby's life.

House kept referring to the baby as foetus. Until in the end. Well the Baby was technically less than 21 weeks.

But thought I would share

Hi Lialei - "no engage" sure
Hows spring? Its 6 deg in NJ.
Weird climate.