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Mannu
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posted April 09, 2007 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like I did make some friends here. So I am back to posting my rants and raves. Hahaha just kidding.

====================This is what I wrote on Apr 9 12.42 am...Which reminds me its LG's bday ============

I have been thinking if I rechristened myself wrongly from iAmThat. Why didn't I pick IamThat? Or perhaps my current handle is correct.

Perhaps I still can't speak from the level of I, atleast not yet. At first some people told me that the handle sounds

egoistic. Thats the reason I choose a more personal handle.

How much the energy changes when the name changes? I am not saying that its my spiritual name, just as Peter is the

spiritual name of Simon. But theres so many lessons to learn right there.

Ramana Maharishi used to say only self inquiry will lead to the ultimate experience. Ask repeatedly "Who am I?" to yourself.


When we humans speaks of water, at different geographic locations the water is called differently. Example "Jal" in India,

"Water" in USA, etc.. The thirst of all people gets satisfied by the same element. Yet people call it different names.


Now lets turn our attention to religion and to some Masters. In hewbrew its said "Be still and know that I am God".Jesus

used to say "I and the father are one." And Buddha "Soul is light. I is the light". In Islam its said "I am the Truth".

Krishna in Gita says "I am Everything" Each one is speaking from different levels of consciousness. Krishna was in ecstatic

state of Enlightenment. Jesus too is known to have transfigured in front of his disciples and it wasn't he that was speaking at times, but the enlightenment energy in him.

The body are just instruments, the invisible energy is God. All that is seen is God and all that cannot be seen is still

God. Our ego is like small rivers that one needs to cross before joining the big ocean of love.


If a small sperm can create me, my hard bones and my blood. Imagine this ever present energy that sustains creation, created

itself (in the form of Cosmos), created plants, animals and humans. Genesis says man was created on the sixth day. Darwin

says the Ape evolved in to Man over millions of years. Do you see contradiction there or fulfillment of divine plan from our

creators.

When Krishna said "I am in all things. Everything is in me." He was in such a ecstatic state in the battle field. One wonders if Arjun, who was depressed and sad, cud remember all that was told to him those days. Eventually he fought and got involved in the war. I learnt later that after the war he asked Krishna to repeat the Gita. Krishna smiled and said "I can't. I was in the state of inspired super consciousness, the enlightened energy was working thru me"

So often in my own work,I cannot remember the solution that I provided for a software issue*. Perhaps I too am in a inspired state. Its good to work with dedication and zeal. Work is God. Therefore Work is Worship.

* Ofcourse my work is not the callibre of teachings for the entire human generations but still wanted to draw a parallel there.

Important point here is everyone craves to be Jesus or Krishna or whoever. But how many wants to take the responsibility? It sounds like no challenge, but it is that energy that choses you ultimately based on your intentions, your heart, your compassion, your service attitude.


Ok will be back with more thoughts to share.


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posted April 09, 2007 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu~

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Mannu
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posted April 09, 2007 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Silverstone. I am glad you liked that.

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fayte.m
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posted April 09, 2007 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu or Manu....
It suits you my friend.
It evokes in me a peaceful reflective non egotistical soul.
Many blessings to you Mannu.
Love
Fayte

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
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posted April 09, 2007 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
but it is that energy that choses you ultimately based on your intentions, your heart, your compassion, your service attitude.



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Mannu
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posted April 10, 2007 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Fayte

Silverstone, Those are cool pictures.


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Lialei
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posted April 10, 2007 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
I never thought of "iAmThat" as
egotistical.
Even though my grandmother was scarred on her face from burns,
I never noticed it until I was in my teens. My Mom mentioned it and suddenly it dawned on me. I truly never noticed before that.
(or at least it didn't come into my consciousness before, "wow, she's scarred" )
What is a name?
What is a body?
When you are seeing someone's Soul.

Very nice thoughts, Mannu.
Hope you'll keep rambling.


Look back on time with kindly eyes,
He doubtless did his best;
How softly sinks his trembling sun
In human nature's west!

~*~

Who has not found the heaven below
Will fail of it above.
God's residence is next to mine,
His furniture is Love.

~*~

Each life converges to some centre
Expressed or Still;
Exists in every human nature
A goal,

Admitted scarcely to itself,
it may be,
Too fair
For credibility's temerity
To dare.

Adored with caution,
as a brittle heaven,
To reach
Were hopeless as the rainbow's raiment
To touch,

Yet preserved toward,
Surer for the distance;
How high
Unto the saint's slow diligence
The sky!

Ungained, it may be
by life's low venture,
But then,
Eternity enables the endeavoring
Again.


~~Emily Dickinson


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posted April 11, 2007 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lialei Indeed people sometimes send us their energy in such forms that does not matter, but they think it does.

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Ok to continue my ramblings

Jesus is known to have said in Luke chapter 8:

quote:

5. A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some seed fell on the path and was trampled, and the birds of the sky ate it up.
6. Some seed fell on rocky ground, and when it grew, it withered for lack of moisture.
7 Some seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew with it and choked it.
8 And some seed fell on good soil, and when it grew, it produced fruit a hundredfold." After saying this, he called out, "Whoever has ears to hear ought to hear."
9 Then his disciples asked him what the meaning of this parable might be.
10 He answered, "Knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been granted to you; but to the rest, they are made known through parables so that 'they may look but not see, and hear but not understand.'
11 "This is the meaning of the parable. The seed is the word of God.
12 Those on the path are the ones who have heard, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts that they may not believe and be saved.
13 Those on rocky ground are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy, but they have no root; they believe only for a time and fall away in time of trial.
14 As for the seed that fell among thorns, they are the ones who have heard, but as they go along, they are choked by the anxieties and riches and pleasures of life, and they fail to produce mature fruit.
15 But as for the seed that fell on rich soil, they are the ones who, when they have heard the word, embrace it with a generous and good heart, and bear fruit through perseverance.


That parable is a great truth. If you are a human being it applies to you.

If we read this literally it implies devil exists. But as we all known one philosophy, darkness does not exists when light is shown. Where is thou darkness? Satan/Devil are stumbling blocks in our path.

Ok going back to the main point. The Sower here is God/Goddess. The seed his/her word (a metaphor) u may substiture it with thought or visualization or whatever that speaks to you.

Main point is, the destination of the seed is to become a fruit bearing tree. And once a person becomes that, human life is no longer required. And unless a person becomes such a tree , he will return back to the sower as seed again and again.

Another example is as follows: A potter makes pots and leaves them to dry in the sun. Some animals come and run over them. The pots that are broken and baked, the potter has no use of it and hence throws it away. The pots that are soft and broken, he reuses them. Unless a man is realized soul he will return to the Potters (Gods) hand again and again.

There are some trees who bore the fruit and yet they come back to earth of their own will. Krishna is one such Master. He was already born enlightened if you read his childhood stories. Imagine a bird flying high in the sky and laying the egg. Before the egg reaches the ground it hatches and flies away. These souls are rare to find on earth at any given moment.


Is idol worship ok?

Will be back tomorrow folks

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Mannu
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posted April 11, 2007 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Before I go, a point to note. Jesus does not call the Sower, God/Goddess. Its my interpretation. Or if the author who wrote that did not find necessary to say that. Either way, it proves that "Creator = Creation = Created"

Indeed another great truth in that parable


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posted April 11, 2007 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu
I always enjoy your posts.

Perfect Anagram:

CREATOR-REACTOR

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted April 11, 2007 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte

Wish I could take credit for all that writings Some of them are my writings and comes from experience, but some are also teachings I have learnt in the workshops by Indian gurus.

Cheers!!

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posted April 12, 2007 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Is Idol worship ok?

There is nothing wrong with idol worship. God teaches every soul according to his/her knowledge level.

Hmm have to be honest, I wrote 2 huge paragraphs explaining, but each paragraph will require much much explanation.

It is important that questions such as above just dissolve into itself. They are stumbling blocks to be honest, the inner chattering of a being. Silence is the greatest question one can ask God and silence is the greatest answer one can ever receive from God.

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posted April 12, 2007 01:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Mannu, you said to me in another string you were trying to correct me, and you called me ignorant....

I know My OverSoul and God....

Idol worship is wrong

you are wrong...

I have nothing further to say to you....

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posted April 12, 2007 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu
Ahhhhhhh......
Silence which speaketh much to our souls.
How many people are terrified of being with themselves?

And how many find it a womb like comfort and place of reflection?

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted April 12, 2007 01:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Fayte, I have lost all respect for you, I have nothing further to say to you either...


May ALL SEE and HEAR. ...

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted April 12, 2007 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Creator-Reactor

It’s the knowing that I am the creator-reactor of my life situations, and that every situation is seeded with two types of effects that I will have to live with, once I’ve chosen an affect. ~ Donald Hall

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

~Robert Frost

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posted April 12, 2007 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
CREATOR-REACTOR

Thank you Silverstone for this quote!

quote:
It’s the knowing that I am the creator-reactor of my life situations, and that every situation is seeded with two types of effects that I will have to live with, once I’ve chosen an affect. ~ Donald Hall

CREATION~REACTION

UNIVERSE~EVER IN US

ETERNITY~ENTIRETY

INFINITIES~IS INFINITE

IMMORTALITY~OMIT MY TRIAL

WITHIN~HI TWIN!

GOD WITHIN~
HIDING TWO~
HI GOD TWIN!


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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted April 12, 2007 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
WOw, Fayte~

What a wonderful composite, Fayte. I never thought of lexigramming those words... I like especially the last one~

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posted April 12, 2007 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Silverstone!
Updated!
More here!

CREATOR-REACTOR


*PARADISIACAL~AS PLACID ARIA*

*ONE CREATOR~
NEO REACTOR~
EON CREATOR~
REACTOR ONE*

*SYNCHRONICITIES~
CYNIC IS IN THROES~
TRY CHOICE IN SINS*

*SILENCE IS GOLDEN~
DILIGENCE LESSON~
SILENCED LEGIONS~
LESS INCLINED EGO~
SINGLE LINE CODES~
SEE OLD SILENCING~
NICE GOLDEN ISLES~
NEED LESS IN LOGIC~
LOGIC NEEDS LINES~
LOGIC DENSE LINES~
LOGIC LINE SENSED~*

*INFINITY~FIT IN YIN*

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted April 12, 2007 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte

quote:

Ahhhhhhh......
Silence which speaketh much to our souls.
How many people are terrified of being with themselves?

Fayte, thank you so much for understanding. So well said that was. In our journey to God unless we feel comfortable of being alone we will keep incarnating in bodies. That is a great truth as well.

Theres so much mysteries of myteries being revealed to me because I have found a guru who speaks from experience. His words has awakened memories in me that everyone forgets when they take birth in a body. It is the very process of birth that erases our memories.


Lotusheartone,
A part explanation will not reveal the whole mystery. Enlightened beings are different than ordinary beings because they have the master key. Buddha meditated 12 years to get that Master key. We do not have to sweat that hard. Please find a guru and surrender yourself. Or else come back another time in this same rut of birth-death cycle. The option is always ours.

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In my opinion:
Everyone sqeezes in to the small fertilized egg. Hence we loose memory. That and also the fact that we are entering the maya world. Maya is just another part of God. This earth is in that Maya world. Krishna as the world knows was already enlightened even as a child. Jesus started preaching and exhibiting miraculous powers after being initiated by John the Baptist.
The gnostics bible reveals a miraculous powered Jesus as a child. If you believe in gnostism, which is the secret science of enlightenment. It reveals Jesus as a boy who was already enlightened when he took birth in human body. But perhaps the world was not ready to hear such truths.

I was drawn to the bible at first. I always missed something when I read the edited versions of the bible that is sadly around us. When I read the Geeta the first time, I did not understand anything. Then when the Master who speaks from experience, spoke about the subject matter, my whole being flowered in his very presence just as a lotus flower without any effort blooms when the sun comes. In my opinion, the highest truth ever revealed in any scriptures is in the Geeta. Everyone must read it.


Love to all.



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posted April 12, 2007 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Lia

Silverstone
Actually strictly speaking those are ANAGRAMS!
But, an anagram is also a "simple" Lexigram.
All anagrams are lexigrams, but not all lexigrams are anagrams!

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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posted April 12, 2007 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu
Thank you
About the soul and time it enters the foetal body.
Up to 60% or more fertilzed eggs are naturally aborted before the woman even may know she is pregnant. Up until 11 1/2 weeks twins may suddenly become one, as one dies and is reabsorbed or is lost.
So to my way of thinking and experience.....
The soul does not move into the foetal body until the body has become mature enough to in most cases survive and also has begun to form its own aura which it could not have until the brain begain its folding at about 16 weeks or so. So I believe the soul enters at the time many have called;
THE QUICKENING.
That time when the first movements and kicks are felt!!!!!!!!
HEY MA! I'M HOME!!!!!!!!!!!

It would be a terible cruelty and unnecessary for souls to risk up to a 60% body death rate before even having a chance. It would also I feel cause insanity if someone came in too soon.


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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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Mannu, I have been meditating and talking with MOther and Father God, it is my duty, to point you OUT, you are a cold and calculating person, who would walk all over anyone, to get what you want. ...

I know who I M, I know who I have been, and I have direct communication with GOD, I will no longer read anything you have to write, and I suggest others, do not either...you work for the false GOD... .

P.S. It's a shame, so many are fooled. . .

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