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Topic: Stepping in and out from spiritualism/reality
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NAM
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From: Sunny place.
Registered: Jan 2007
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posted October 07, 2007 12:18 AM
 
Fulfilling your "tasks" and living a double life between "reality people" and "spiritual people".Any words of wisdom on this? IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted October 07, 2007 03:54 AM
I'm struggling with just the same thing.I think there is a little spirituality in most people, even if people generally have very closed mines. Never mind. If David Wilcock is correct, in a few years time everyone is going to wake up anyway!    ------------------
It would be nice to evolve some sort of telepathy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law in itself. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted October 07, 2007 09:15 AM
I remember being at a place like that. As I've gotten more experience, I've realized that there is no reality that isn't spiritual ... because to me, the spiritual world underlies all physical worlds. Finding joy in what you're doing, or as others have said, doing everything with love, is very important to me ... yes, even if it is something menial like laundry. All the things we may think of as menial really do affect/are affected by spiritual reality. Everything you do, you're working with elemental forces and your attitude determines your spiritual input/output. So there is no less worthy task ... or would we tell a tree that decomposing isn't spiritual enough, or a flower that blooming is too mundane? Life is spiritual and our biggest task is merely to realize that in every moment, imo.As for people, all people have the same connection whether or not they realize it or vocalize it. Just because I can't see it or recognize it in them doesn't mean it isn't there. I try to see all the people I come across as encounters that are meant to be mutually beneficial to both of us on a spiritual level. If someone is irate and I refuse to be reactionary, I gain patience and they receive compassion. In the end, it's up to me for me as it is up to them for them. And, I always try to keep myself in perspective by realizing that there are many people in this world that I could classify as "more spiritual" than myself. Before I get frustrated with "unspiritual" people, I think about how I may be that person to someone else. Only, I don't think truly spiritual people are so judgemental and condemning as that. Which is a positive and humbling thing for all the rest of us sincere and curious seekers lagging behind the masters.  Just my 2 cents. *edited to add*
Solane Star posted this in FFA and it was bumped today. Really hit a chord in me and I think it can relate to this topic. God Lives Under The Bed IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 07, 2007 10:07 AM
As Eleanore implies in my mind - way to Godhood is pathless. Because even the smallest path you take is of God. Savour(relish, im bad at spells - hope it doesn't offend u) each moment.The 'reality people' are unaware that life is a long dream. And their dreams(as we know it) are dreams with in their long dream. A spiritual person is aware that his life here on this planet is but a long dream. This basic knowledge is very essential in the life of a spiritualist. Its a very great awakening within when you experience that.Spiritual person control in what direction their life would go -since knowing that. The unawakened people/reality people let circumstances control their life.
Everything is energy - the first lines of Upanishad says that. Modern scientists are saying the same thing. Matter is nothing but energy. You can convert it to any form.
Great cars, Big houses,etc can appease one. Fulfill their needs, comfort them but soon they realize that life is still empty. The energy of the spiritual world is so undescribable - so refreshing, one truly is ready to give all that he posseses here on earth just for that one experience. So we must seek, until we receive.
so is ur question how u be dedicated in ur search? its so situational for each person.
are u married with kids? and don't find time? well each one needs to determine how can they get most time? Surely after u receive enlightenment you will be the same person u were but with ur third eye open. You will be more loving, more accepting of people. Not swayed by emotional urges. Disengaged in joys/sorrows of the world yet ever blissful and with a contagious smile. Oops got interrupted - need to attend.
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 2558
From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted October 07, 2007 10:22 AM
Eleanore,
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yes, even if it is something menial like laundry
I must learn how to feel that way! Mannu, quote:
Surely after u receive enlightenment you will be the same person u were but with ur third eye open. You will be more loving, more accepting of people. Not swayed by emotional urges. Disengaged in joys/sorrows of the world yet ever blissful and with a contagious smile.
I realized, some time ago, that the true source of our pain is separation from God. Disillusionment and my struggles through the illusions of religion and life has been the source of my pain. I hope to overcome this pain. This is why I search for answers, though I feel I should now spend as much time meditating, if I can master the technique, as well as reading. Both are important. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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From: Japan
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posted October 07, 2007 10:48 AM
Well spoken, Mannu.  LTT, I think one of the things that helped me switch to this mindset was gratitude. It may sound silly to some but, for example, when I do laundry I give thanks that I have laundry to do! That I have proper clothing for myself and my family, the means to keep them clean and in good condition, a place to store them, etc ... where so many others don't. I think about all the lives involved in bringing those little cotton fibers into my hands as clothing and I'm thankful. The texture of the clothing, the smells of clean, the repetitive process of sorting, folding and putting away ... I believe I heard the phrase "active meditation" and this applies to me in these situations. Like anything else, it can be drudgery or it can be our path to the spiritual world if we open ourselves up and allow a different perspective to engage us. We are never removed from the spiritual world ... we only think we are. Knowing this in our minds and hearts is one thing, living it is a moment by moment task ... or gift.  IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 2558
From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted October 07, 2007 10:55 AM
Wow!I bet you have a nice, peaceful aura to be around, Eleanore. Sometimes I get so caught up in this torment inside, over what is reality and what is fantasy, that I become trapped/ disconnected. But I guess I have chosen this path- I will, eventually find what it is I am searching for. Like, I feel amazed by this David Wilcock/ Edgar Cayce person I just discovered....but what if it is just another clever illusion? Maybe, maybe not. I have actually been at my happiest in life, when I have had "blind faith" in something. Not having something you can totally believe in makes life much tougher, it would seem, to me. IP: Logged |
Lialei
Knowflake Posts: 1850
From: threshold
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted October 07, 2007 11:57 AM
Thanks for mentioning "God lives under the Bed", Eleanore.
I didn't read it before. quote:
Free from pride and unconcerned with appearances, Kevin is not afraid
to cry when he is hurt, angry or sorry. He is always transparent,
always sincere. And he trusts God.
This is so beautiful and it touched me profoundly. It's so amazing, especially, when an adult, who even for suffering all the disillusionments, humiliations and rejections that come from a lifetime of experiences, can somehow still reach into a quiet innocence within themselves that still believes in goodness and is brave enough to keep trusting and expressing so innocently and sincerely. If only this amazing offering might be recognized as rare and beautiful as it is in a jaded world and treat it with the gentleness and reverence its worthy. Nam, I hope I understand your question as you hope for it to be understood. I believe its a matter of inner determination and it does take much strength to remain devoted to what you know and feel is right in your heart, rather than be swayed by outside energies.
And this includes loses your Self and compassion for others as well in comparison.
This strength I speak of is the same I meant as above.
Your efforts, your intentions, your cares, your actions and your principles will be misunderstood
or often go unrecognized in your life.
You keep with them, regardless...with a crazy kind of faith that it matters somehow, somewhere, whether or not it is received. And that being true to your Self, in its own way, is being true to others.
You begin to realize that time is not always a restrictive foe, but also a kind beneficiary...
when you recognize the natural cycles of strenuous climbs and peaceful valleys. It all passes into the next. What you are experiencing now, if you keep sincerely plugging along and believing, will become something else for it in time.
If you can disattach yourself from instant results or outward distracting energies and let go...all eventually flows out to Sea. Or so, I keep hoping .  I love what's said here about embracing
life for all its simplicities.
Is that why so often our greatest epiphanies come to us while we're "chopping wood"? --- We're tuned into a charitible, devotion that opens us to receive. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 07, 2007 02:00 PM
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Is that why so often our greatest epiphanies come to us while we're "chopping wood"?
Or in the bathroom whilst on the meditation "throne". 
I often keep a pen and note pad or even a tape recorder in there.
And burn incense and or candles and have wind-chimes and sun-catchers for ambience. 
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted October 07, 2007 03:09 PM
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And burn incense and or candles and have wind-chimes and sun-catchers for ambience.
That sounds nice. Can I come round for a cuppa?  ------------------
It would be nice to evolve some sort of telepathy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law in itself. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
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posted October 07, 2007 05:01 PM
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That sounds nice. Can I come round for a cuppa?
Well maybe...
but not while I am on the "throne" in the throne room!  ------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted October 07, 2007 05:18 PM
Agreed:
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Well maybe...
but not while I am on the "throne" in the throne room!
Feeling's mutual! IP: Logged |
Solane Star
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From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 07, 2007 05:47 PM
Eleanore very well spoken also and well recieved!!!These are the words of yours that stood out the most and ring true to My Heart & Soul also!!! Thanks for Sharing Eleanore.
I think one of the things that helped me switch to this mindset was gratitude.
I believe I heard the phrase "active meditation" and this applies to me in these situations. Like anything else, it can be drudgery or it can be our path to the spiritual world if we open ourselves up and allow a different perspective to engage us. We are never removed from the spiritual world ... we only think we are. Knowing this in our minds and hearts is one thing, living it is a moment by moment task ... or gift.
Too Gratitude!!!!!  Thanks!!!! By the way " HAPPY THANKSGIVING " ALL!!!!!
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NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1930
From: Sunny place.
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posted October 07, 2007 06:08 PM
Thanks guys for all your help.
I have started a movement.We'll see what happens to it and I am structuring as I go, but I would have never been able to do this without you guys! I'll explain shortly. IP: Logged |
aquarius4
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From: U.S.
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted October 08, 2007 02:07 PM
that was indeed very well said!
i don't have much to add except to thank everyone for sharing and to say that reading this topic has brightened my day with hope IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn
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posted October 08, 2007 11:52 PM
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NAM
Knowflake Posts: 1930
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posted October 09, 2007 09:25 AM
Well Artlovesdawn I hang out at another website and the topics of the people there are very pointless in nature.I am sure some have the ability of using their brain for better things but they all choose to only talk about how big their breast are and who is who in main stream, or sports.
But you never see a topic on books or what is going on with the world, nature.I mmean nothing of substance.
Well, I just opened pandora's box over there and started a couple topics on more serious stuff just to see how they will take it. I am not really sure what the outcome of this is going to be but there is a lot of debate right now, hopefully once they start chilling we can start talking about other "out there" topics and see if I can inspire someone to pick up a book and open up their minds.I don't know if that will work, but that is exactly why I feel like I am stepping into two complete different worlds and I do like and understand both but they seem so extreme in nature right now, I don't know if they will clash or what will happen. On the side I am working on putting together some classes for people that doesn't have the education in the USA to know how credit reports work and how to handle their money properly.This has nothing to do with spiritualism and again it is hard to think "money" and then think about other bigger things in life, like happiness or feeling complete and at ease with ourselves.
That's all for now.
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted October 09, 2007 09:44 AM
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.This has nothing to do with spiritualism and again it is hard to think "money" and then think about other bigger things in life, like happiness or feeling complete and at ease with ourselves.
Helping people to feel good about themselves and more confident with organizing their finances all plays an important role in the bigger picture. You can help them to feel that this is something they can do. They are just as capable as anyone else. Even if they have learning difficulties, etc. Any opportunity to help raise a person's self-esteem is very important, valuable spiritual work. (Lol- who am I to talk, when I suffer from such problems myself?! I know. It's my Higher S-elf talking again! She's often doing that!) IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn
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posted October 09, 2007 10:10 AM
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NAM
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posted October 10, 2007 11:52 AM
LOLWell, the "movement" didn't go far.After a batte zone like of debate they are back talking about body parts.  IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn
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posted October 10, 2007 12:19 PM
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sesame
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posted October 12, 2007 09:25 AM
Eleanore, I totally agree with what you've said, that every moment is spiritual, but I do not experience it like a meditation - more like life just is spiritual. The problem I have is that life is not "ideal". There are so many cliches that say life is what you make and attract, etc. but the fact is stuff happens that we have to deal with, and we may term it karma, darma, etc, but ultimately, you have to take the good with the bad. I have a big question at the moment about whether people are ultimately negative or positive, or whether its an ongoing choice or attribute of life, that we can absorb so much before needing to vent, or take a holiday etc. So, I find a lot of contradictions too - I feel positive, but am a realist to a degree, but am also eternally naive and idealistic. Each aspect comes out when events transpire and cause my energy to move. Some people though can't seem to escape negativity, and they seem to force positivity, or not even try. I wonder if these people expected something different in life, or as Linda has said, they could be round pegs in square holes like the Pisces policeman. In any event, I love haning out washing and seeing the sky, birds, by house, my son running around frantically trying to experience everything in the yard before the moment's over, etc (he's almost 18 months). I feel that life is always completely spiritual but don't know if this is a cliche or that I lose sight of this fundamental fact and whinge about work etc. We our souls and spirits first and foremost, then we have the communication and expressions, before reaching our material manifestations. Anyhow, I love this topic, and you guys for sharing. Dean. IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn
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posted October 12, 2007 11:42 AM
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fayte.m
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posted October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
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. . . when I do laundry I give thanks that I have laundry to do!That I have proper clothing for myself and my family, the means to keep them clean and in good condition, a place to store them, etc ... where so many others don't. I think about all the lives involved in bringing those little cotton fibers into my hands as clothing and I'm thankful. The texture of the clothing, the smells of clean, the repetitive process of sorting, folding and putting away ... I believe I heard the phrase "active meditation" . . .
I do that too! I always read labels too for where things come from. It often makes me appreciate things more. Sometimes in a store I will feel a piece of clothing or food was not made with love or was made/harvested and so forth under bad feelings/methods.....it will feel so icky I will not buy it no matter what!
People do leave resonances on things.------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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artlovesdawn
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