posted November 09, 2007 08:08 AM         

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there is no meaning of life, except only perhaps just living it... thatis all. simple
my version )))

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posted November 09, 2007 04:17 PM         

there are no right or wrong in wanting to know
whatever you feel or want at the moment makes you - you, your life- the phase
and it will most probably pass )))

i only can say for myself, what makes me most happy-

when my son smiles at me and we hug
when we had a nice rest
and we had a nice meal
we cooked or enjoyed outside
when we r doing something creative
When i talk on the phone to Wayne (my lover, friend, he lives far fromme for now)

when its sunny
or raining
good book
movie
music
walk in the bush
on the beach
scuba diving

May be Im selfish????

Simple?

Perhaps not deep enough?

I gave up worrying about starvation in Africa
Ive accepted it

posted November 10, 2007 03:28 AM         

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Mo Tzu, Hsn Tzu, and Han Fei Tzu were three of the most important philosophers in ancient China. This collection of their basic writings points to three very different positions within in the spectrum of Chinese thought and reveals the diversity of of the Chinese intellectual tradition.Presenting the principle doctrines of Mo Tzu (470--391 B.C.) and his followers, early rivals of the Confucian school, this section includes writings on music, fatalism, Confucians, and "universal love" -- the cornerstone of Mo-ist philosophyHsn Tzu (born ca. 312 B.C.) provided the dominant philosophical system of his day. Although basically Confucian, he differed with Mencius by asserting that the original nature of man is evil, and also expounded on such subjects as good government, military affairs, Heaven, and music.Representative of the Fachia, or Legalist, school of philosophy, the writings of Han Fei Tzu (280?--233 B.C.) confront the issues of preserving and strengthening the state through strict laws of punishment and reward. His lessons remain timely as scholars continue to examine the nature and use of power.

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I don't think the original nature of man is evil.

The original nature of "man" is innocence.

But maybe we need to experience "free will", to be born into a 3rd dimensional world to gain an understanding of a deeper kind of love, compassion and empathy.
I feel that this is part of our evolution as baby gods.

posted November 10, 2007 03:37 AM         

Love is the underlying principle of the universe. It is the force that holds everything together- this is scientifically proven. The DNA tests, the crystals in the water tests.

posted November 10, 2007 09:51 AM         

I think he means "evil" in the sense that you mean it.
Innocent, but in a world where innocence is a liability.

Whats great about his philosophy,
is how clearly it describes "free will".
A stick may be sharpened, etc.
His teaching is about how to make use of things.

We may never know what a person has in mind
when she talks about Free Will.
There is the Determined World, which we may reflect upon,
and there is the "Free" World, which we live in.
But you cannot understand what one of these really means,
without understanding the other.
You have to go back and forth between them,
to gain an increasing understanding of the whole.

Free Will doesnt mean we are independent in any sense.
Its just a reorientation,
a 3rd dimension already suggested by the 2nd.
Its not a reflection,
so it cant be understood on the same level as Determinism.
Its not your face in the mirror, but,
the world before your eyes.
Its the subject, you,
choosing to read these words, or not to.
You were looking in, now you look out.
You were learning, now you are practicing.
You were filled, and now you overflow.
But the filling and the overflowing
are part of the same action.
And, in another sense, they are interchangable.

You just get in harmony with it.
You dance, and spin with your partner,
and forget who has the lead.
(The Dance has the lead.)

Free Will is Divine Intervention.

The real world is not really outside the bounds of reason,
its just impossible to live in it,
and reason about it at the same time.
But the world you reason in,
and the world you reason about,
is also the real world,
and the act of reasoning is an act of will.

So, wherever you see two worlds,
know that something fishy is going on.
There are not two, there is one.

And know that if you try to talk about it,
you will appear to contradict yourself,
and you will have to invert the terms in your mind,
in order to see how they can say the same, and opposite, things.

Is there free will?
If you need to ask,
then, the answer is no,
probably not in the sense that you mean.

Sorry if I rambled,
i hope some of that made as much sense to you
as it is making to me.

posted November 10, 2007 02:18 PM         

I wonder what outlook they would have had in Ancient, ancient Egypt?

I've been watching this "Land Of Osiris" lecture with Stephen Mehler and it's just so fascinating.

Perhaps we need a new canvas, a whole new outlook on life.

But as MM said- open mind, empty rice bowl, as it is with the canvas.

In the lecture he says that there are stories within the native tribes that their peoples originally came here from the Plaeides.

In the documentary he shows a picture of a carving; a place, off bounds to tourists, and it is undoubtedly Mayan. But this is in Egypt.