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ListensToTrees
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posted November 03, 2007 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
The deepest cause of my melancholy right now is not a lack of serotonin.

The question we MUST ask is what, exactly, originally causes the lack of serotonin?

It can't all be down to diet, otherwise everyone who doesn't have the perfect diet would be depressed. Even some of the poorest people in the poorest countries are still able to smile. There is a lot we can learn from them.

What is causing my lack of "serotonin" right now is spiritual confusion.

This is what I didn't want to talk about or ask, because I suspect that nobody has the answers.

Then again,
anything is possible.

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posted November 03, 2007 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Whilst I was "meditating" in the bath just now, some thoughts came.

"Infinite Love is the only truth- everything else is illusion"- David Icke.

Therefore.....
Could the meaning of life be simply......LOVE?

And put this thought together with what someone wrote on another forum.

This was my question:

Finding True Balance/ Harmony
Does anyone know the secret to finding true balance/ harmony?

I was pondering today, about all forms of polarity coming together to create a sort of cosmic orgasm.

I was wondering if we can do this in ourselves.

"Negative" and "positive" are just illusions; when pain is caused by opposition it is because of the illusion of separation.

Therefore, how can someone with bipolar depression (lots of highs and lows) find the keys to a TRUE SENSE OF BALANCE AND HARMONY?????

And this is what they wrote:

Maybe it's to do with never giving in.

Never giving in to whatever your temptation is...different for everybody.

Whatever the thing is that crushes your soul and makes you feel guilty...that thing that you wish you would not do...but that you give in to...is your temptation...and it crushes the innocence of your soul.

Maybe the most toxic people...the most unbalanced, disharmonious people are the people who:

a) give in to their temptation often
b) have completely given in to it and are completely in torment and enslavement to it.

Maybe most people/ the average person (for want of a better word) is someone who manages to regulate his slip into temptation...but is unable to completely overcome it.

This is what I think anyway.

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posted November 03, 2007 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Therefore, it isn't enough to say that "negative" and "positive" are just illusions.

It's all in the eye of the beholder; the doors of perception.

Finite words can be interpreted in so many ways.

We must read between the lines to understand their true meaning.

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posted November 03, 2007 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
So......

Perhaps......

Love is the MEANING of life.

Perhaps.....

We are here to learn how to let love overcome all odds.


Perhaps we are here to learn to resist temptation and not give in to selfishness; actions that may hurt others......no matter what.


Then maybe one day we'll "ascend" the dimension of the limitations of this flesh, and take on another form. Perhaps.....who knows.....Perhaps more meditation will be the key to our questions?

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posted November 03, 2007 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
The dangers of psychiatry.
http://www.cchr.org/index/5276/5304/

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posted November 03, 2007 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
May be you need to relax. Be away from this world. Great truths dawn on us mostly when we are calm and serene.


I haven't read conversations with God. Did you? I gather from what I hear from other peoples comments that he has penned down thoughts that his higher self(God) told him.

Perhaps his own insights will guide yours or spiral your own thoughts.

I have said this many time but reiterating:

How before reading, we open the doors of the pyshic world and shouldn't forget to close the door at the end.

Or even any christian prayer begins with hymns and song and ends with a prayer.

Similarly I have been thru spiritual exercises with great Masters. They do something similar. Won't go in details here. They are Masters because they have ability to divert bad energy resulting from all those exercises we do. And also direct good energy where healing is required.

When we discuss spiritual truths at LL, who takes care of the demons? Not me. I tend to get immersed in the energy and it affects my health. So I try to avoid deep conversations. I noticed I was little depressed yesterday, after many many months. Then I spoke to my mom and I bounced back. She is Aries

Sanskrit:

Gurur brahmaa gurur vishnuh
gurur devo maheshvarah
gurur saakshaat parabrahma
tasmai shree gurave namah.


Meaning
Know the Guru to be Brahma himself. He is Vishnu. He is also Shiva. Know Him to be the Supreme Brahman, and offer thy adorations unto that peerless Guru.

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posted November 03, 2007 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
All you need is love

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posted November 03, 2007 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message


From the day we arrive on the planet
And blinking, step into the sun
There's more to see than can ever be seen
More to do than can ever be done
There's far too much to take in here
More to find than can ever be found
But the sun rolling high
Through the sapphire sky
Keeps great and small on the endless round

It's the Circle of Life
And it moves us all
Through despair and hope
Through faith and love
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the Circle
The Circle of Life

It's the Circle of Life
And it moves us all
Through despair and hope
Through faith and love
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the Circle
The Circle of Life


- Sir Elton John.


quote:
The sun rises as the opening chant of the song calls out, with various animals all seemingly becoming alert to a single thing. Animals are shown traveling through various environments. As a giraffe and her calf step out into the sunlight, the first verse of the song begins. The giraffe notice a herd of animals in the distance and run over to join them.

As the first verse ends and the chorus begins, the camera pans upwards over a herd of animals to show Pride Rock. Zazu flies in, lands and bows in front of King Mufasa.

Rafiki arrives and Sarabi is shown holding a young Simba. Rafiki anoints and blesses the cub before lifting him up and displaying him to the animals gathered below Pride Rock. The animals leap, stomp and cry out in celebration. Towards the end of the song, the gathered animals are shown bowing. The camera slowly zooms out from Pride Rock, and on the final drumbeat the title card - The Lion King in red text over a black background - is shown.

The song is reprised at the end of the film by a chorus.



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posted November 03, 2007 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
>>>>anoints and blesses the cub before lifting him up and displaying him to the animals gathered below Pride Rock.

Thats when my hair stands up and a drop of tear comes down.

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posted November 03, 2007 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

Ideas are finite.

Truth is eternal.

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posted November 03, 2007 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted November 03, 2007 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
You are not the only one LTT , my biggest problem is I know I have some answers but I don't know how to apply them to the rest of the world, it seems by doing the right thing for myself will not be enough to feel satisfied.
I just can not play a game where the rules are not clear or the same for everyone.
Then I just ask, what is the point?

You know LTT, while I was reading your second post I got a dejavu/been here feeling, maybe is another post like yours I have read before.

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posted November 03, 2007 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
We need to overcome the "sins of the flesh".

So is pleasure sinful?

No.

IF IT HARMS NONE, DO AS YOU WILL.

(This saying needs thinking about in depth to truly understand just how deep it goes).

If we can't love ourselves or feel guilty about pleasure, then how can we give and receive love? When I was younger, I once upset my aunt because I wouldn't let her buy me anything in a shop.

"God" is joy, therefore, when we experience joy we experience a glimpse of LOVE/JOY.....of "God".

IF IT HARMS NONE, DO WHAT YOU WILL.

I also feel that the key to liberation may be in service/ sacrificing ourselves to others......this does NOT mean you become a doormat or allow people to take advantage.

It means devoting yourself to the service of love and setting others free.
Free from cruelty....injustice....inequality....prejudice....and so on.

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If only we could feel and understand all each others feelings....then EMPATHY and LOVE would be law in itself.

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posted November 03, 2007 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know Nam, maybe. I have wondered/ talked about the issue of depression being caused by depression of the SOUL before it enters the body/ affects the physical body. Maybe that was it.

I often feel "aware of many things, but not really sure of anything".

I suppose that is the distortion of the physical body.

Truth is eternal.

Ideas are finite.

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posted November 03, 2007 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu,

quote:
When we discuss spiritual truths at LL, who takes care of the demons? Not me. I tend to get immersed in the energy and it affects my health.

quote:
They are Masters because they have ability to divert bad energy resulting from all those exercises we do. And also direct good energy where healing is required.

This is what we both need to learn to master!!!!

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posted November 03, 2007 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Hiya ListensToTrees, check out this thread - its different but along the same lines http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001118.html . For me, I always have a problem trying to prevent myself from talking myself into something - I don't know if this is a gem thing, but I think everyone goes through it. If it gets to a point where its impacting your health beyond a reasonable level, then I would suggest seeing someone, and if you do, and feel like your wasting your time, then try someone else, take a holiday, try a new hobby, or get in contact with a long lost friend. These are all things that may help you snap out of yourself - but at the end of the day, you have to chose which path you want to take. Lectures and advice only go so far. Is everything better today? Do you study astrology when you have bad days? I usually put down domestic arguments to astrology, but they may not be, I'm probably delusional in these situations, but everything clears up eventually I hope everything goes well with you.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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posted November 03, 2007 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
I feel compelled to give you this message again: You might benefit from reading "Destiny of Souls" by Michael Newton, PhD.

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posted November 03, 2007 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
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Now let us carry this thought a little further: “Is that person right who is faint-hearted and sad about life and existence because in this life numberless microorganisms can only, so to speak, half emerge and but few reach their goal?” Is it possible for us to be sad about these facts? Is it possible to say: “All around there is a wild struggle for existence from which only a few accidentally escape?” Let us consider our concrete example of the cornfield. Let us suppose that all the grains of corn which grow there were really to reach their goal and become ears of corn. What would be the result? The world would then be impossible, for the things which are nourished on the grains of corn would have no food. In order that certain things or beings well known to us may reach their present stage of development, other things or beings have to fall short of their goal, have to sink down into the abyss as far as their own destiny is concerned. But notwithstanding that, we have no reason for sadness, for if we concern ourselves with the world, if we concern ourselves with its existence, the world consists only of beings and those beings must be able to find nourishment. If they are to be nourished, then other beings must sacrifice themselves. Therefore, only few organisms can really reach their goal. The others must go another way. They have to go a different way because the world has to exist, because it is really the only way in which the world can be wisely ordered. We are thus surrounded by a world which is such as it is because certain beings sacrifice themselves before they have reached their goal. If we follow the way of those which are sacrificed, we find them within other beings which are more highly organised; beings who have need of this sacrifice in order that they may exist. Here, in a nutshell, we can grasp the meaning of existence, which is so seemingly difficult to understand in the coming forth of beings into existence and their annihilation. Yet we have discovered that it is precisely in this that wisdom and meaning in existence are revealed, and that it is only our reflection that does not go far enough, when we lament that so many things must apparently disappear without reaching their goal.

On the Meaning of Life

I'm not sure how this information will sit with others but I've found meaning in it and felt it would be appropriate to pass along here.

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posted November 03, 2007 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Cool Eleanore.

When he started claiming that wolfs are a wolf because they share a wolf soul I got a bit turned off. A wolf is a wolf because of his genetics, but I suppose this was written before DNA was discovered so I guess I can excuse it.

Otherwise very interesting.

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posted November 03, 2007 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Very gracious of you, BlueRoamer, and you're right.

Although, to be fair and not misleading, one of the things he did discuss was his idea of a 4 dimensional reality (mineral, plant, animal and human) and the distinctions between a collective animal soul and an individual human soul. Ie, when we speak of a wolf we are referring to the Wolf archetype and not only the individual body before us. Consider the idea of animal totems or the idea of the Wolf Spirit for a moment. What is wolf is within all wolves and they are much more connected ('instinctively' perhaps?) to their archetype and each other in that sense than individual humans are to each other (or at least conciously aware of being so connected). As humans, we also have more archetypes with which to work as there is no One human archetype. It's all rather individualistic for humans compared to other life forms here, in the end.

Sorry for the possibly numbing rant. I do Steiner but don't want to misrepresent his theories as they are often quite controversial.

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posted November 03, 2007 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlovesdawn     Edit/Delete Message
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posted November 03, 2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
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Also want to point out that you had that train of thought after meditating in the bath.

I think it was Linda Goodman who wrote that bathing is important for cleaning the aura or something like that; because I have long connected my best thoughts ideas in the shower/bath with that explanation - I'm almost certain I read it in a Linda Goodman book



That's odd.Another one of those situations where you just have to say "now I understand"

I take long showers and I do my best in depth thinking there, it is where I also come up with most of my good ideas.With that said, I have been feeling the power of water lately and realizing that but did not put so much weight into it until I read that part on the cleansing of auras on Linda's book just a couple days ago, so once again I must say "ah, it makes sense, now I understand why".

Just thought I would share.

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posted November 03, 2007 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
Listens To Trees, is it possible you're suffering from adrenal burnout?

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/adrenal_burnout.htm
http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/syndrome_x.php
http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/burnout.php
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm
http://www.lifedynamix.com/articles/Medicine/Adrenal_Fatigue.html
http://www.womenlivingnaturally.com/articlepage.php?id=6
http://www.myctm.org/articles/JF-adrenal-burnout.php

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posted November 03, 2007 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Great feedback, everyOne.

I appreciate it.

Feeling a bit better today.

I get highs and lows, which made me wonder if I was bipolar, but when I read about the dangers of psychiatry (though I don't believe it's all bad)- I realized that it is too easy just to LABEL something as such. IN LABELING SOMETHING, WE REAFFIRM IT'S EXISTENCE. "AS WE THINK, SO WE ARE"!


It's interesting about water. I hope we don't get any more floods around here polluting our water supply. You only truly appreciate something when you lose it.


Tigerlilly, that's fascinating.
I saw this food allergy testing done by somebody who goes about it through the aura. I was skeptical after, but she said I was under a lot of ADRENAL stress! This was last December I think. And yes, I do crave sweet things, so that doesn't help the adrenals.


Love.


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posted November 03, 2007 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Tigerlilly, the other links didn't work, but this link is a really good one. I think I may have been suffering from burn-out for some time at the age of 11/12 as well!
At this age, I used to dread going to school, I would get stomach cramps in the morning thinking about it. I always felt tired and exhausted, and I couldn't sleep at night.

Great link:
Adrenal]http://www.womenlivingnaturally.com/articlepage.php?id=6]Adrenal

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