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Mannu
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posted November 25, 2007 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
>>>What if you go for the choice An eye for an eye. And then you feel bad and you decide to Turn the other cheek and say your sorry. Would you still go to heven?


You have to go to the person you have hurt.
If you have wronged them try to make it right. Ideological differences are quite ok. Its very situational so won't comment more. The truth (guide) is already in your heart so you naturally know what to do. Perhaps you don't trust that guide. It happens with every body. We seek validation. When you are in Dharma, you won't follow the Dharma the Dharma will follow you.

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BrightStar
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posted November 25, 2007 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu well that clear it all up yes my intentions were authentic.

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BrightStar
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posted November 25, 2007 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu well that clear it all up yes my intentions were authentic.

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BrightStar
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posted November 25, 2007 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
Solame Star are you sure i am going to heaven? Did you see my name written in the book of life? I just want to make sure. Because i always get in trouble.

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Mannu
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posted November 25, 2007 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Do not believe any one but yourself.
You are your own salvation.

Religion imbeds fear in you to control you. Do not give them authority over you.

Same with Tarots and other forms of divinations.


Do not give them authority over you.


Though there is no harm in seeking counselling.


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BrightStar
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posted November 25, 2007 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for the advice Mannu.

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guess34
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posted November 27, 2007 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guess34     Edit/Delete Message
see people insulting each other all the time. Should we just accept the insult and move on, this is what Jesus or Buddha would do, right
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Yes and that's why the world is in the state it is in.

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BlueRoamer
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posted November 27, 2007 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
The world is in the state it is in because people turn the other cheek?

I'm thinking its more because people always strike back

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zanya
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posted November 27, 2007 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanya     Edit/Delete Message
it's interesting.....i usually find that it's the most vindictive, vengeful and hate-wielding 'christians' preaching the most about following Jesus Christ and 'turning the other cheek'.

they seem not actually to do any of what He said though.

i've always found that most puzzling.

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fayte.m
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posted November 27, 2007 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Namaste` Mannu

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted November 28, 2007 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


~ matthew 8:38-48

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posted November 28, 2007 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
The kindness shown the wicked is not blessed.
~ Thoas (Goethe "Iphigenia In Taurus")

Does love empower a wicked man to renounce wickedness?

Or does it enable him to pursue it with less compunction?

Does it convert him in some cases, pervert him in others?

Is a little love intoxicating,
as some medicines, when first administered,
merely give a man enough strength to pursue,
with renewed vigor, the original cause of his debility?
Even, as is sometimes the case,
emboldening him to take unprecedented liberties?

Can a wicked man recognize love, when shown it?

Will he take you for a sucker and a fool?

Will he see your love for him as a person,
or just an ideology you are compelled to live out?

And will he feel exalted above others by love,
because he feels that he is uniquely loved,
and does not understand unconditional love?

Will he value love, if it is unconditional?

What does it mean to be loved
by someone who loves everyone equally?

The ego is invalidated by such love.

In order to experience that kind of love,
and to feel it directed at yourself,
mustn't you love everyone equally?

And if you cannot, then, what is it to you?

Just a word;
an abstract feeling,
with no connection to your ego.

If love is free,
and overflows to fill every cup,
will it then be held cheaply?

Yet, if it is something to earn,
won't people invent their own standards,
by which to judge who is worthy of love?

Why do we love?

Is it to effect an outcome?

Or is it because it is right to love,
regardless of the consequences,
to ourselves and others?

The greatest sacrifice which Christ made,
and the most controvesial sacrifice,
was not the sacrifice of himself, or his body.
It was the sacrifice of his people.
They wanted him to fight back, not just for his own sake,
but for their sakes as well.
They wanted a warrior king, who would uphold the law of justice.
Instead, they got a man with a crown of thorns,
determined to uphold the law of mercy -
mercy for the oppressor, not the victim.

And here we are, 2,000 years later,
debating the advantages and disadvantages of love.

But who has advantage, or disadvantage?

Only the ego, right?

That which is fixed in God neither rises nor falls.

How can it rise, if it is at the supreme height?
How can it fall, if it is fixed there?

Perhaps the real challenge posed by Jesus is this:

Love is ineffectual.
Love will get you crucified.
Love will get your friends crucified.
Love is not the answer.
Love anyway.

Why?
Because.
It's love.

Does love require arguments? Or faith?

Is love higher than wisdom?

Love is divine foolishness.

Are they even comparable?

I wish this was my 2 cents,
but this is rather an account of my debt.
What I have squandered in answers,
I must beg for in questions.


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Solane Star
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posted November 28, 2007 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Love Signs
... why it was written

As you will discover in the book, there are many more Sun Signs with which we have the pontential for easy compatability, sympathy and understanding than those with which we may find some degree of tension, antipathy or lack of communication..... more opportunities for Love and compassion than for hatred and mistrust in the harmonics of our solar system.
Yet concerned men and women in all walks of Life, from geologists and ecologists to prohets and astrologers, persistently predict the possibility of appoaching cataclysms, both man-made and natural, bringing the danger of annihilations before the critical next decade has passed on this waning planet, so fast losing light. We have been warned, but few have heeded the warning. We have been called, but few have answered. For the earth to wax again, clearly a miracle is needed.
By learning to use the wisdom of the planets, our co-Creators' code to Universal Truth, we may each create a fragment of the " RAINBOW-SPECTRUM " message of Peace on Earth to men...and women...of good will caroled by celestials over Bethlehem two thousand years ago to usher in the Pisces Age of the Gentle Nazerene, who asked us only to " Love one another," promising that what he did, we could " then do also."

It's not too late, for the JOYOUS message of angelic hosts(not yet identtified) still rings its clarion call today...now ushering in the Aquarian Age...heralding hope to those who watch the skies and listen for the MUSIC. There could be, I think, no greater prulude to a miracle so needed, perhaps approaching sooner than we guess, than to employ the art of ancient wise men to pave the way for hie return witha New STAR QUEST for LOVE...Love of man for woman...and of both together then for every living plant and creature. For LOVE alone has the POWER to bring PEACE at history's twilight hour to Earthlings of good will.

Linda Goodman

In the Year of Our Lord 1978

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BrightStar
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posted November 28, 2007 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
What if you can not be perfact?What then, I can not be perfact. I mess up every five second or in less time then that.

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Solane Star
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posted November 28, 2007 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Bright Star thats part of be-ing here on the journey of life here on earth. Learning to fall and getting right back up, brushing your knees off and learning from that fall, thats all.

Your aloud to trip, just don't do it again!!! LOL!!! this part I was just joking with you!!!

Bright Star your just be-ing a little to hard on yours-ELF!!! Everything has a way of working its s-ELF out in time!!!

Just try again to Be the Bright Star that you call yours-ELF!!!!

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BrightStar
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posted November 28, 2007 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Solane Star you aways have i way of cheer me up.

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posted November 29, 2007 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
You are perfect,
you are the great mother,
and the mother is yourself.

You were created for her expression,
for her doors of light to open upon the world,
you must suffer,
you must suffer.

Only in suffering is your light purified.

Only in suffering is the soul cleansed.

Know that all is constant and unchanging, the forces at play have always existed.

Take comfort in your guides, know your guides, explore your inner self.

The feminine principle is always here to nurture you, the cradle of the womb was put here just for you. A soft cradle of flowing water, to temper the flames of your suffering.

Ecstasy is here,
ecstasy is now,
heaven is ever present,
there is only heaven,
for those purified by fire.

Grow in it, feel it, don't be afraid. Go closer to the fire, face it, let it burn you. When you get close you can see it is false. Don't be afraid because everything will always be the same, a constant flow of love.

Open your chalice to the high priestess, the great mother, bask in her intuitive wisdom and allow it to flow out from you and back to her.

Be the conduit for infinity.

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fayte.m
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posted November 29, 2007 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
A Lexigram of

LOVE SIGNS

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silverstone
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posted November 29, 2007 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte,

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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posted November 29, 2007 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
BR and Fayte,

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fayte.m
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posted November 29, 2007 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Silverstone & Heart--Shaped Cross
I deleted the other version and have inserted a new version.
Love
Fayte

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posted November 29, 2007 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Inspired

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posted November 29, 2007 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Blueroamer and Stephen,
thank you.

(sorry for my late response)

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