posted April 01, 2008 03:58 PM         

It is a person's own choice but i don't ever think it is a good thing. It will only put off lessons that are going to come the next time around anyway.

posted April 01, 2008 04:14 PM         

First of all, I don't know.

If the question is, "Is it possible?" --
then the answer is still "I don't know",
which, however, in the realm of possibility,
may be just as good as a "Yes, its possible".

But who can be certain?

And that is really "the rub".

Here's what Shakespeare' Hamlet,
clearly someone who thought about the matter, had to say:

To be, or not to be--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep--
No more--and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep--
To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.

I personally can conceive of a perspective whereby suicide is not the least taboo, and may be likened to moving from one country to another, when you find that you do not feel at home in your country of origin, or wherever you happen to be living. Naturally, your countrymen, at least, those who really love the land they live in, will try to dissuade you. They'll say that everything you could want or need is right here, and there is no need to go chasing dreams of exotic locales. When I hear things like that, I always think of these words: "Never let them tell you that its all the same." - Led Zeppelin ("Going to California") If you speak to a person who is very self-aware and honest with themselves, at least, in this matter, he or she will no doubt tell you "I dont know". You may be directed to the words of celebrated people who have lived long ago, or who are living still, which will insist that suicide is a step backwards, or a step to the side, or no step at all, and that it is just wrong; period. But we all know that, in life, there are problems that can be sidestepped (you can step out of the way of an oncoming truck), that sometimes the quickest way forward is a step backward (when you have gotten on the wrong path), and that sometimes the most prudent thing is to do is nothing at all. What if the fall into matter was not some divinely ordained miracle, but, a wrong turn? Then suicide might be the fastest and smartest way back on track, back to spirit. For all we know, we may be gathering negative karma every minute we spend in the body. These are all possibilities, and the fearless mind is willing to contemplate them. Honestly, I don't know the answer, and I'm too independent to take someone else's word for it.

Some people have been inside the Bardo and returned. But they did not go past the point of no return, if such a point exists. Some have claimed to see into the Akashic records, and to have read the absolute truths of these matters, but there is no confirming that what they experienced was not just another unconsciously fabricated mindscape. Others have awakened from pastlife regression, and claimed to see the entire journey into the Bardo, into incarnation, and out again. I have not read any pastlife regressions of people who killed themselves, so, I dont know what they have to say, but I think that would be worth listening to. Still, there is always another explaination, and, the more we search, the more we seem to find that the present explainations are superficial and misleading.

I do believe that one's mindset, at the moment of death, is important, but I dont think it dramatically supercedes the underlying vibration of their soul's karma. This is, admittedly, just a belief, and I will be the first to tell you I could be wrong. My own suicide has been prevented by considerations like these. The last thing I want is to incarnate in the middle of a Holocaust, or a famine in eastbumf-ck Ethiopia, or something. Still, sometimes I think it might be worth it, just for another 7-10 months in the womb, lol. But thats me. And you know me.

My chosen course of action has been to whine and cry, and ask for help when I want/need it. I find that, often, all I really need is a little human warmth and companionship. My friends have been invaluable to me. I think sometimes we get so fixated on our ideals, and trying to align ourselves with Spirit, that we forget to be human, and to align ourselves, first of all, with Soul. The Soul sees from many angles, and has many various drives, which must be acknowledged, and given their due. Ancient mythologies are full of stories of mortals who tried to pursue an ambition single-mindedly, only to be thwarted by the gods. The gods represent the many drives that make war, and often make love, within our subconscious and conscious mind(s). When we give our allegiance to one god, unconscious beliefs and behaviors appear in the form of aberrations, which serve to compensate, or overcompensate, for the imbalances created. It may be that, contrary to what just about everyone we talk to believes, whenever we attempt to develop and build an identity, and to identify with some way of thinking, feeling, or being, we are really just asking for trouble; daring the unconscious to challenge us and, ultimately, to reduce us to the proverbial nothing once more. Perhaps, then, the purpose of life, if life may be said to have a purpose, is not to create oneself, but, to become all of oneself; to become The Self, The Soul, which is, in its deepest being, one with God. Just perhaps.

posted April 01, 2008 04:44 PM         

I don't know the answer to the question as to whether it might be a person's "destiny"....I don't know.

I think each individual's circumstances are so unique.

I wish I knew the answers....I wish I knew the truths and myths regarding all the mysteries of life such as karma and our destinies.....I just don't know.

I have just felt, ever since I was a child and I had that experience through prayer, that- as David Icke has put it- "infinite love is the only truth- everything else is illusion". Or one could say everything else is creation.

Maybe we're here for a good reason?

Like, maybe we're here to "evolve".

I know it has been said that everything we need is already in us. Well, if there is such a thing as there being a realm in which time does not exist, this is one way we can conceive that we may have access to our Higher Self many light years into the "future".

But maybe we had to go through "time" in the first place to reach that point?

posted April 01, 2008 05:36 PM         

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50.12 Questioner: Can you expand on the concept which is that it is necessary for an entity, during incarnation in the physical as we know it, to become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when the entity is aware of what he wants to do. Why must he come into an incarnation and lose conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way in which he hopes to act?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.

In time/space and in the true color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.

Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin—and we stress begin—to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love, can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit being-ness totality.

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posted April 01, 2008 06:07 PM         

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posted April 01, 2008 06:29 PM         

All as it should be.

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posted April 01, 2008 07:03 PM         

Parents are just people too with the same F-ed up issues and pains that you suffer, and usually even less of a spiritual perspective to deal with it.

posted April 01, 2008 07:07 PM         

Dying is dying. Society is suicidal and people kill themselves everyday, but some forms of suicide are frowned upon.

Generally, killing oneself over a long period of time is more socially accepted than killing oneself swiftly.

It's not a matter of right and wrong on the suicide issue, it's more of a time issue. If you kill yourself slowly through drugs, bad diet, smoking, stress, and other things, it's ok. If you kill yourself quickly with a gun, it's not ok.

So, which is the right one?

Both or neither. Dying is dying. If you have no desire to live, it doesn't make you weak. it just means that you have no desire to live, no will to live, at that time. If you have a will to live, probably inspired by things you still want to achieve, then killing yourself would be counter productive towards achieving you unfulfilled goals.

So, a question that one might ask themselves is: Will killing myself bring me closer to my desires or further from them? If it serves your purpose, I personally do not see something wrong with it.

But, some people kill themselves not to achieve something, but to run away from something, and anything done in fear or pain, seems to be not worth doing in my eyes.

posted April 01, 2008 07:23 PM         

Here's what I Cut from my original message:

Everyone on this earth is killing themselves anyway. You constantly give (or 'trade' in the case of working for money for a vacation type deals) your body's life essence to what you deem as important, be it others or yourself or some combination. Destroying yourself and others for momentary pleasures is one way to go. Giving everything to others as some Pisces nurse who reads to the blind on her days off until her body drops dead from emotional, mental and physical exhaustion is another way to go. Most people take a more middle ground, finding some enjoyment for themselves while giving their essence to creating more flowers in the world or beauty or more smiles and warmth. Some spend their time trying to take the essence of others with as little expenditure as possible. If this is done with a "everybody in the world send me a dollar" so I can put it all together and create something beautiful that gives back to many, then Creation grows.

Or you can go the other way.

I would say someone could just give their body to the earth but you aren't really. Just an air-tight coffin.

I don't think you are talking about you though.

there was more emotional stuff below this about if you WERE talking about you... blah blah blah, we should have your funeral now and to say hello to my other dead friends and tell them it creeps me out when they come and lay by me at night but I don't mind when sit by me to listen to music or pray etc etc but I decided to spare you MOST of my emotional response.

posted April 01, 2008 08:11 PM         

26 ~ There are people here who care about you and respect how far you've travelled. Let us know.

posted April 01, 2008 10:11 PM         

You are loved. You'll be in my thoughts.

I don't have any answers for you. I don't know if it's possible for anyone but you to find the answer to that question. Take care of yourself.

Hugs to you,
GG

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posted April 02, 2008 06:56 AM         

Obviously, because I too have had these thoughts, I know they are not easy to handle, and I would like to say that I am sincerely praying for you, in a sense that I am asking the Universe to give you guidance and positivity. And so, it is done!

I empathize completely with you, and the above statement was me being objective. On a subjective note, I would like you to think long and hard about this because Mel is so right, you will feel differently at a later stage.

Love

posted April 02, 2008 06:00 PM         

As for disabled people, the same applies. Positive thoughts = positive behavior. I 've met blind perople that have their own CDs and grammy nominations. I've met someone with no legs compete in wheel chair races. You've heard the stories. The guy with no legs who plays football..............

posted April 02, 2008 06:23 PM           

thinking 'boutcha

ang-

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