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Topic: The Sad Truth, Why Most People Will Not Wake Up
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COMMANDER CONSTANT-HAZE Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Neptune Registered: Feb 2008
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posted January 07, 2009 01:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxlID-5-nQ IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 5880 From: UK Registered: Jul 2005
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posted January 07, 2009 04:14 AM
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hippichick Knowflake Posts: 2282 From: The Ether Registered: Jan 2006
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posted January 07, 2009 10:57 AM
Interesting post.Quite symbolic, that it opens up with Floyd's "Sheep" in the background, my bfriend recently told me that sheep are the dumbest animals in the world. What I find most ironic about toxins in our environment is that we are living longer, sicker to be sure, toxic as hell, but longer... ewwww..... IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 07, 2009 11:51 AM
ok but they are lucky in chinese astrology. i'm glad to be a sheep. may be it's a cultural thing to think that they are dumb. i remember reading that sheep people where independant (in the sense of stubborn).go figure. IP: Logged |
Charlotte Knowflake Posts: 1855 From: USA Registered: Apr 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 06:17 AM
LOL hippichick...:-)'s Thumbs up for posting CCH IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 06:37 AM
more seriously, i wouldn't worry too much and at the sdame time i do get extremely worried too. (probably the influence of my libra moon) i'm worried like you because i think something that bad can actually happened and be organised by evil bast*ards. i believe that evil exist and i know, like everyone who want to do some research about the subject that hitler came to power by being elected and that at the time, people saw what he said as ok.(even though he kept the "final solution" -extermination- hidden from everyone) it's only today that we all judge those act as "bad", at the time, people didn't want to believe something like that could happen. they closed their eyes.and that leads to the reason why i don't want to get too worried. i mean, it's a good thing that people don't bother to believe in things like that. it shows that they try to foster other interest than hatred and fear. obviously it doesn't mean that by not being concerned the problem just disappear. we need to be concerned. but atthe same time, how can we make people concerned without creating panic, or a kind of emergency, which will only push every individuals to want to change the situation, but everyone according to what will seem the best solution for themselves. therefore, instead of creating harmony and convergence we create divergeance. unless we find a common solution that everyone wants to follow but for that to happen, i think we need to see the system collapse. and this to be plain to see so that everyone agrees on that one. difficult balance to find. (especially for a libra moon ) i think nothing is that bad that it can't be sorted but for that we need to look how we can affect around ourselves. nothing is bad. like what i say can be annoying for some people but it will help others. the same with what you bring up commander. i think it's useful to me, and probably to other people. but i truly believe that everyone sufficiently evolved spiritually will be in touch with a divine part inside that will lead him wherever he needs to be to understand enough and act appropriately. that's what we need to do. act appropriately in order to promote the good. and if it hppens that we need to highlight the bad that is going to come then yes. it has to be done. 200% it's only that i've got a huge faith in the positive outcome. i don't fear for the end of the world and all this crap. light a candle and there's no more darkness. but may be today it's time to worry about the wind that could blow the candle, indeed. but then again, if i find another candle burning safely inside of me, there won't be any shortage of light anyway. may be a problem is that people are not concerned by what happens with their neighbour under the false pretext of the respect for privacy when in fact they enjoy unashamed individualism. that's the negative manifestation of aqua energies. (i'm aqua sun) whereas the positive energy of aqua would be deep concerns for social/group welfare by open minded people that tolerate differences. quite the contrary. my 2 cents... ps: i didn't watch the video yet. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15481 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 11:28 AM
Stop worrying whether other people are awake or not. It's the ones that scream "wake up" that are usually not awake themselves and think that it's others that are snoozin'. Oy.IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 11:39 AM
i agree with the video when it ridicules the job of tv. i don't watch tv myself for these reasons. they make you dumb. but this kind of videos only convince already convinced people. others would not watch it anyway, so what's the point? in the video, they mention mercury being a poison that is still injected in children, well in france, we had some major events like this. they transfused people with aid contaminated blood in the middle of the eighties because they didn't test it, even though they knew about aids at the time. "amiante" is a product that was used to build house and was toxic. it took them decades to stop it. worst of all in the list of taking people for idiots, at the time of the tchernobyl incident- a nuclear plant which exploded in ukraine in 1986 i think- well, the french government said that the toxic cloud didn't cross the border... as if... people in france don't trust the government anymore but there's still no other options. i don't think divisions in the political landscape have disappeared. may be in the US people are not aware that they are being lied to. it's not the case in france, nor the uk -i lived there 5 years- i can't talk for the rest of europe. but in these two countries the population is totally aware of this. anyway. IP: Logged |
COMMANDER CONSTANT-HAZE Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Neptune Registered: Feb 2008
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posted January 08, 2009 12:10 PM
TAURUS26 ... im gonna pretend that you didnt say that last comment.... but then again thats a typical comment from a Taurus to only care about oneself IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15481 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 12:27 PM
Okay you do that. And I'll pretend you just didnt say what you just did!See yaaaaaa IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 12:51 PM
commander what about my comment?no judgement on my side here, just a question. what do you think about what i said? IP: Logged |
COMMANDER CONSTANT-HAZE Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Neptune Registered: Feb 2008
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posted January 08, 2009 12:57 PM
i respect your comments... they werent flat out rude ... the US is the country that is asleep more than any other and its more of a wake up call to Americans.... i realize that countrys outside the US are much more intelligent than the populace here... its a shameIP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 01:03 PM
i really don't intend to be rude to you cause i feel strongly for your desire to help. your social consciousness. i like that. but, i want to ask an,other question which i think could be misunderstood. anyway i'll go ahead. so without any judgment, can i ask you how old you are? i'm not that old myself. 29 in a month. IP: Logged |
COMMANDER CONSTANT-HAZE Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Neptune Registered: Feb 2008
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posted January 08, 2009 01:08 PM
another thing ... if anyone takes these posts as a personal attack against them.. all i can say if let go of your ego.... IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 01:13 PM
ok, lets forget the ego, but let's not forget to reply...how old are u commander, i see you as a young person. am i right? IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15481 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 01:14 PM
...maybe your ego is being rude and judging who is awake and who isnt. What do you think? IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 01:19 PM
answer to me first!!!!! otherwise my question will be forgotten. how old? IP: Logged |
COMMANDER CONSTANT-HAZE Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Neptune Registered: Feb 2008
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posted January 08, 2009 01:21 PM
i am 33 and i am Pisces ... i a very old soul and i know my history....IP: Logged |
praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 01:40 PM
ok, i was wrong about your age. you're actually way older than me! lol
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praecipua Knowflake Posts: 887 From: france Registered: Aug 2007
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posted January 08, 2009 01:53 PM
anyway, i see what you are trying to do. i'm with you on that one, i just can feel the discontent of the people that u are going to upset. not talking about 26T. talking about US citizens in general here on lindaland. that's what i've been doing for the last year and a half. being upsetting. sorry BTW.well, if you feel like it, you have hardcore people in GU; well there's only one but it seems to be his house overthere. but i'm done with these kind of people. i've got no hope to change the mind of thise kind of people. in fact i really don't care about the type of people he perssonify. i think he's fine in his own sh*t. and doesn't need my help. i'm talking about jwhop. i feel obliged to do something for others, aqua sun, libra moon, jupiter mars saturn venus mercury in the virgo/pisces axis, but i guess some people are literally a waste of time and energy. i decided to help those who appreciate my help for what it is. well that's the idea at least... a bientot IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9583 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 05:16 PM
Everybody contributes in their own way.In my experience.. People with the Yin houses and/or the first six signs and houses emphasized in their charts will tend to "go within", and talk a lot, when they talk, about going within. For them, its all about consolidating and refining the personal resources. For others, who are at a different point in the cycle, it is about group awareness, social responsibility, world issues, etc. There is a time and a place for both of these approaches, in my opinion. Neither is strictly more advanced or evolved than the other; each has been where the other is, and will be there again. It's cyclical. At least, thats how I see it. But, then, I dont really see a clear distinction between "out there" and "in here". The danger of "going within" all the time is that we can actually be cultivating indifference, when we believe we are cultivating equanimity. Its a subtle ploy of the ego. We don't care to admit that we, as individuals, may be incomplete, and that wholeness may have more to do with learning cooperation than with finding ourselves; or contenting ourselves with ourselves. Of course, we all want to justify the path that comes easiest to us, and look for ways to dismiss the paths that don't. But, although its good to find what works for us, and stick to it, we should be very careful not to poo-poo other paths, which may work very well for other people; especially if our philosophy is all about minding our own business (we dont want to be hypocrites, right?). Both ways are needed. Where would we be if Martin Luther King Jr. did not see it as his calling to wake other people up? Or what if Jesus or Buddha had remained in the wilderness, eternally perfecting themselves, and never thought anybody could use their insights to wake up? Or if Dr. Emoto kept his discoveries to himself, and figured he had nothing to show anybody? Just imagine how messed up the world would be, if all the "egoless" people went within, and only the b*stards exerted an overt influence on the world. Can you imagine the horrors? The holocausts without end? I thank God Martin and Jesus were not "humble" enough to take another route. If only we were all so "full of ourselves". "The law can't make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me and I think thats pretty important." ~ Martin Luther King Jr.
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15481 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 05:55 PM
Good points.In order to try changing the world you have to first believe in the world and yourself in certain ways. That is why I can't relate to people who are trying to change "it". But I see where they are coming from and it is often a very good place! If everyone found peace within themselves, where would that leave the MLKJr.'s? They would be very happy and peaceful along with everyone else. It's then that we could live in harmony because people would be living out of true peace. But they are needed in the world as it is in it's present state. There are certain people of his caliber though, that have a way of enlightening and empowering without spreading fear, negativity and panic into others. Most people havent found inner peace, so that is the state of the world is as it is and will remain that way. So what to do? Do you find ways to achieve inner peace and ways to make the best of your life while you are here? Or live in fear and anger and outrage and spread it? All the while thinking you have found truth and other's who don't see it your way are asleep and you must wake them? There are many paths and ways, like HSC was pointing out above. Why is it so hard to live and let live? What baffles me and I think a lot of others here is how some people think that they are awake when all they do is feed into the fear and let it eat them up? It seems to be destroying their own inner peace rather than bringing anything constructive to the world. Is inner peace not the most important aspect of all this? Is your own inner disharmony actually contributing to the worlds? I'm just letting some rambling thoughts out btw. Not directed at anyone. And I work through not letting these type of things irritate me. They still do sometimes. So thanks to some of you for the learning experience. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9583 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 05:55 PM
T,If you see someone slipping poison into my food, by all means, tell me about it. Please, dont be so "humble" as to look away and think that you can't help me. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15481 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 05:59 PM
Why? Do you assume i wouldnt? I believe we invite everything good thing and disaster to us. Even poison. Maybe you wouldve "invited" me there to tell you. So I would. There's always a chance you might not believe me, if i told you anyway. "What's one man's poison, signior, Is another's meat or drink." Francis Beaumont
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Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9583 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted January 08, 2009 06:07 PM
26taurus,You are absolutely right about the fear, etc. And there are people who can point these things out, without inciting a panic, or worse; a riot. You remember what Pema was saying about the slogans of Atisha? While most of us look for quiet retreats, where we can finally practice self-perfection, Atisha sought out conflicts as the very best schools. Talk about meditation-in-action. Well, it is easy to be a Buddha on a mountaintop, but, as I see it, that is not where Buddhas are needed. Sure maybe they can radiate love and effect as much good, but I still can't help thinking that, sometimes, a MLK down in the streets is better than a Buddha on a mountaintop. The theory about the world not changing is, to me, very abstract. I wish I understood what you meant by that, but maybe I am not ready. I just cant help thinking that it is no different from the saying that nothing changes, and you cant even change yourself. It seems true in a sense, but false in another. I could say more, but I dont want to try your patience. I'm sure you have other things to do than listen to me.
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