posted July 06, 2010 08:25 PM         

Yes, I believe in the mind body connection, but not to that extent.

I have seen people who have a disease dwell on it, and inevitably their symptoms are magnified, just as I've seen people who have (whatever) and don't discuss it, don't focus on it, and it doesn't seem to bother them.
So, yes, there is something to that part, but,
what about the babies?
My son had severe colic, and he was in the ER quite a bit.
Louise says colic is from "mental irritation, and impatience." ?????

He was BORN that way,
they changed his formula THREE times in the hospital in the one week that we stayed there after his birth.

So, if you believe what she says, then you'd have to assume that he brought this over from another life??

And if so, then why wouldn't that be true for all of us, children or adults?

I guess the thing is, it's always healthy people saying stuff like this. Or so it seems. Once, or if, they ever get sick then it becomes personal and they aren't as quick to say "you did this to yourself."

posted July 06, 2010 10:33 PM         

Like I said before, I do firmly believe in the mind-spirit-body connection but I'm not all the way with Ms Hay. I have another book from a different author who breaks things down by chakra and it shows that if your body is talking to you and you don't listen then it manifests in another way and the more you don't listen the louder (ie, more severe) the ailments become.

I know it's not for everyone. And it's not as simplistic as her books make it sound. But I really believe in the mind-body-soul connection.

My son is a chronic asthmatic. According to Louise he's not enjoying his life. Maybe as a spirit he's having a hard time adapting to Earth life. I don't know too many people who can't relate to that, though. He's an otherwise happy kid and with 5 planets in Aqua is a very curious thing, the eternal inventor. We've spent the last few weeks in and out of hospital and at the doctors. I don't have an answer to that one.

posted July 06, 2010 10:42 PM         

I'm sorry that you've been insulted and accused here of those things. I've never seen those posts and it would **** me off to read that said to you, or anyone.

posted July 06, 2010 10:57 PM         

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I've heard other people say that dis-ease is a contract that souls have agreed to experience in their incarnation. I don't know how that sits with me. It doesn't make sense to me, actually. Like, one lady I knew would say to another friend who had cancer that he shouldn't be angry about it because he contracted to have it. No, that's not working for me. At all.

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This reminds me of my feeling so strongly, that I needed to have some sort of past-life regression; last October, I felt drawn to buy a book called Memories of the Afterlife, and reading a little bit every day, made me feel better for a while. I guess I was hoping that it might help me to feel better about where I am in life, and where I might be heading (how to get myself unstuck - I'm not unhappy with everything in my life, but I'm not as appreciative, at times, because my head is elsewhere, wanting certain other things, and then there's the feelings of loss connected with certain things).

It suddenly hit me last month, that if it works at all, I might get the exact opposite of my wish: finding out that I've totally screwed up what I came here to do, there's no way I'm going to be happy, etc. The thought made me laugh out loud.

posted July 06, 2010 11:09 PM         

Thanks.

Everything you said resonated with me. I'm the same. I'm not happy with all the parts of my life. I wish they'd come together. Then sometimes I say to myself maybe what I'm wishing for is contrary to something I may be "meant" to be doing and I should just relax and let all that tension in my stomach go, effectively, "Let go and let God", as they say. That in itself causes fear. Either way we're screwed. So laughing seems to be the best option. I tend to think that so many things are way out of our control anyway.

posted July 06, 2010 11:12 PM         

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I use the "mirror" to try and find a moment where I have done the same thing, so I can relate to the person. Sometimes to see where they're coming from. But usually just to see myself in them and vice versa so I can change the way I see them from anger to compassion. It's a personal thing, I guess. It's hard to see those undesirable parts in yourself. But I think it's important sometimes to remember that we're not perfect or meant to be perfect and that applies to ourselves as well as to others. I generally find that people who are hard on others are harder on themselves. Self-kindness is important too.

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I do this as well. When I think of the way in which one person in particular hurt me, I know that he wasn't mirroring me exactly, but there are certain things about him that I can relate to. I can't talk to him and be civil, at the moment, but that should change in the future, when hurt feelings die down.

What you spoke of above, has helped me to not hold grudges in the past. Whenever I feel the need to vent about a personal situation. I’ll write about what annoyed me, and once I have that down, I’ll end up looking at things from the other person’s point of view.

posted July 07, 2010 12:22 AM         

don;t know if anyone here has done any rebirthing, but one of the main premises they started out with was that IN THE WOMB and WHEN YOU ARE BORN the environment you are in affects the way you see yourself. for instance if the event of your birth includes hospital staff and doctors making typically morbid medical jokes, or whatever other kind of remarks like "wow what a nose this one has" or "this one nearly killed his mom" many of which are innocent enough though people in the medical profession have a particularly insensitive humour that seems to help them through the gorey details... anyway the events of your birth and remarks made can be internalized and act kind of like the ascendant point in your chart. that is where you start from and it colours everything thereafter.

on two separate occasions of my own rebirthing process, the air in the room reeked of ether...which my mother was given before i was born because she was too stressed to relax. the energy in my body and mind increased enormously after those sessions. others were more subtle but equally liberating...

so if you start out with a seriously problematic birth for whatever reason, you may pick up cues that you are "difficult" or "there's not enough room for me" or whatever. ON TOP OF WHICH all the other experiences of your life build. but as the foundation , so the building! if the cornerstone is off its center you get the tower of pisa, etc....this has been largely corroborated at least on the physical/psychological end, where stressed mothers are advised to find ways to relax so as not to compromise the baby's development EVEN IN THE WOMB...

and we are all more or less born into a world where disease and disability are seen as coming from the outside, kind of like entities in themselves. so most children are born to parents who at the very least believe that "something can/will go wrong". this in itself is enough to influence a child's health...IMO. or a grown-up's.

those that believe colds are contagious and come from other people with colds tend to get them regularly. those who believe colds are a signal that they are overworked, tired, stressed or whatever, tend not to "catch" them but may still come down with them in those special times. people who don't believe in colds at all (if you can find anyone completely immune to popular belief) don't get them.

i believe louise hay talks about this dynamic with children. if there is emotional trouble in the house, in the mother (before and/or after birth) in the labour room, it will be picked up on by the fetus and infant.
it can also be as simple as the fact that pretty much all parents "believe in" the existence of asthma, colic, and defects and therefore children tend to get them!

i know i have been working on this for years, and i NEVER get a cold except when i feel i'm overpushed (which is rare but does happen). however i am still working on letting go of my belief in some other conditions...when someone is shouting at you "1 in 2 people get cancer during their lives" or "you have 6 months left" it can be very hard to truly believe this is not your fate.

but as linda said, there is NO PROOF that people HAVE to die, they have just been seeing other people do it and talk about its inevitability, so they succumb to the IDEA that it IS inevitable...and it's true. there is no proof that death is inevitable. if so, why can one not believe that sickness is also a "habit" or "convention" we have all gone along with because, well, everyone else says it's just that way?

posted July 07, 2010 01:23 AM         

Everything you said there just made sense to me. Asthma child's labour was very very hard. The pattern with him is that he only gets sick when school's on. During holidays he's fine - and he didn't have asthma or even a cold - before he started school. He loathes the place. So I could say that using Hay's interpretation that he's unhappy with his life as much as having to go to school. At age 10 he still cries every morning before school. We're onto our second school and that's it now, I'm not willing to teach him to hide from life and people. I didn't really believe in asthma until he had a massive asthma attack just after turning 7 and his oxygen levels were in the life threatening 70-80% range and the nurses are saying he has asthma and I'm like, "no way!!!".

I also didn't really believe in Aspergers or ADHD, etc, and somehow got handed a child who I'm being told has Aspergers. It's her birthday tomorrow. I thought she was difficult because she had a Cancer Sun, Aqua Moon and Taurus AC. Seriously! Not an easy combination. NEVER occurred to me that it was Aspergers or any such. Actually, if you'd asked me I would have said that these things are overly diagnosed for the convenience of parents due to lazy parenting. I'm still rather, not skeptical about it, but cautious with the whole idea of it. You can see there's something different about her and the way she proceses and does things, and not in a way that's just "different". It's something else entirely. She's not aware of it and I'm not giving her the awareness of any labels that people are attaching to her.

Still I didn't really believe in asthma or Aspergers and they've found their way to me. I would say though that I was critical of other parents who claimed their children had these and I think that could fit with my belief that every time you pass judgement or critise something you attract a lesson. Still not as blame or fault, but just through learning and growing as a soul and as a soul in the body and mind of a human being living out an Earth journey.

Good God, I think I've exhuasted myself on this topic.

posted July 07, 2010 04:29 AM         

A family member died a couple of years ago in a car accident and everyone tiptoes around his parents, never mentioning him and I think that's a dishonour to his memory and to their hearts, so I mention him when it's appropriate.

posted July 07, 2010 10:47 AM         

i wish all authority figures would understand the power of their words and predictions as well as bunnies' doctor apparently did. especially doctors! but also teachers and parents...so many doctors believe in disease and not in the internal healing powers of their patients.

posted July 07, 2010 11:41 AM         

BUNNIES!!!!!

Thank you for sharing that story I wish I could give you a big hug. Bless Dr. Williams too! I wish more doctors were like him, and that they were allowed the space to do what he did!

I used to develop laryngitis in college during vocal finals...I was a music major. I hated juries. Mind Body connection? I think so.

Gentle Birth is so so important! We are so disconnected from a gentle way and the way the rest of the animals do it. Everyone kept insisting, when I was having twins that I would NEED drugs, and a c-section because one of them was transverse. I kept insisting I wouldn't. I just talked to Bowie and told him that when there was enough room he needed to get head down just like his big brother Ewen. And when Ewen was born, lo and behold, head down baby! Another thing, was that when Ewen was born, the cord was wrapped around his neck a couple of times, and after it got unwrapped, he didn't breath right away, so they massaged him, so hard he ended up with bruises on his back in fact. Now, whenever he get's upset, he has a kinda whooping asthma thing, where his throat closes off, and he has a hard time breathing. I KNOW without a doubt it's because his first breath was so forced and stress filled. Could I prove it? no. But I do my best to help him calm down and relax, and then he's fine.

As far as the Cancer thing, I know that Kevin had MANY resentments/anger/unresolved emotinos from childhood, and he was also raised Catholic so that probably didn't help, though I think the environment finally was right whether it was the home, or the planets or whatever, for the cancer to catch a hold to grow out of control. Now I did a lot of Louise Hay when he was in the semi-coma, for the places I knew the cancer was, and also for other issues he was having. Did it help? I don't know. All I know is that it didn't hurt, and if it helped him to release the old bottled up emotions, then it was good.

PeaceAngel!

How lucky for your daughter that she has you, who understands her astrological makeup! Can you imagine if you didn't have astrology to help you understand her??? She's a blessed person!

I probably have more to say, but I hear a disagreement with the toddler and someone, so I have to go!

Hugs to ALL,
ADfly

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We cannot seek or attain health, wealth, learning, justice or kindness in general. Action is always specific, concrete, individualized, unique. --Benjamin Jowett

posted July 07, 2010 12:59 PM         

Excerpt #5

PG. 69-70 Worry and Irritation are more prevalent at this time for the following reasons:

1. The world situation is such, the problems and uncertainty are such, that scarcely a person at this time is exempt. Everyone is involved in the planetary situation.

2. The intercommunication between people has increased so much, and they live so much in massed groups, that it is inevitable that they produce an effect upon each other.

3. The increased sensitivity of the human mechanism is also such that men ‘tune in’ on each other’s emotional conditions and mental attitudes in a new and more potent manner. To their own engrossing concerns and worries are added those of their fellowmen with whom they may be en rapport.

4. Telepathically, and also with a developed sense of prevision, men are adding the difficulties that belong to someone else or to some other group of thinkers to the difficulties that may be. It is not sure that they will be.

Pg.70. Why are these difficulties of the astral body so “perilous”? Worry and Irritation are dangerous because:

1. They lower the vitality to such a point that he becomes susceptible to disease. Influenza has its roots in fear and worry. The disease will die out once the world settles down to freedom from the present “fearful” condition.

2. They are so highly infectious from the astral point of view that they lower in a peculiar manner the astral atmosphere, and thus make it hard for people—in the astral sense—to breathe freely.

3. Because the astral conditions of fear, worry and irritation are so widespread today that they might be regarded as epidemic in a planetary sense.

4. Because irritation (I speak not here of worry) is inflammatory in its effects—and inflammation is hard to bear—and leads to much difficulty. It is interesting to note that certain forms of EYE trouble are caused by this.

5. Because worry and irritation prevent true vision. The man sees nothing but the cause of his complaints and is so submerged through self-pity, self-consideration, or in a focused negative condition, that his vision is narrowed and his group hindered. Remember that there is group selfishness as well as individual selfishness.

Pg.71 It is no use saying “do not worry or fear, all will be well.” Things are not well and humanity and the planetary life are NOT well.

CAUSES ARISING IN THE ETHERIC BODY.

Pg. 72 The etheric body is a TRANSMITTER of all energies to the physical body producing good and bad results as the case may be. However, I am here considering the diseases, problems and physical difficulties which arise in the etheric body itself and work out in its relations to the physical body.

The etheric body is a body composed entirely of lines of force and of POINTS where these lines of force cross each other and thus form (in crossing) centers of energy. Where many such lines of force cross each other, you have a larger center of energy, and where great streams of energy meet and cross as they do in the head and up the spine, you have seven major centers. There are seven such, plus 21 lesser centers and 49 smaller centers known to the esotericists. However we will confine ourselves to the etheric body as a whole and to the seven MAJOR centers. It might be of interest to you to be told where the 21 minor centers are to be found. They can be located at the following points:

Two are in front of the ears close to where the jaw bones are connected.

Two are just above the two breasts.

One is where the breast bones meet, close to the thyroid gland. This, with the two breast centers make a triangle of force.

There is one in each of the palms of the hand.

Pg. 73 Two are just behind the eyes.

There is one in each of the soles of the feet.

Two are also connected with the gonads.

One is close to the liver.

One is connected with the stomach. It is related to the solar plexus but is not identical with it.

Two are connected with the spleen. These form one center in reality, but such a center is formed by the two being superimposed one on the other.

One is at the back of each knee.

There is one powerful center which is closely connected with the vagus nerve. This is most potent and is regarded by some schools of occultism as a major center. It is not in the spine, but is no great distance from the thymus gland.

There is one which is close to the solar plexus and relates it to the center at the base of the spine, thus making a triangle of the sacral center, the solar plexus,& the center at the base of the spine.

Where there is a free flow of force through the etheric body into the dense physical body, there will be less likelihood of sickness. There may, however, be increased tendency to difficulties arising from over-stimulation and its consequent results of over-activity of the nervous system, with all the attendant problems. These forces, seeking inlet into the dense vehicle, are emanations from three directions:

Pg.74 1. From the personality vehicles—the astral and mental bodies.

2. From the soul, if contact, recognized or unrecognized, has been established.

3. From the environing world to which the vehicles of the soul and of the personality have acted as “doors of entrance.”

Where these centers are quiescent, not stimulated, unawakened or functioning partially, then there is a condition of BLOCKING. It produces CONGESTION in the etheric vehicle and subsequent difficulties in the functioning of the dense physical body. Congestion of the lungs though it may be traced to definite physical causes—is, in reality those causes, plus an inner condition of etheric congestion. Every outer congestion can always be traced to an INNER and an OUTER cause. In these cases, the outer cause is NOT an effect of the individual inner cause, which is interesting. All ills are not purely subjective or psychological in origin but are sometimes both exoteric and esoteric. (We use eyeglasses because the Ajna center (the center in the forehead) is not stimulated, or if it is stimulated, it is not radiating, As we evolve, these living wheels of fire rotate very fast and become like an iridescent globe of pure fire. They form triangles with other centers. The Masters judge our spiritual growth through these luminous glowing triangles of light.Mdb)

Pg. 75 For the majority of people, the centers below the diaphragm are more active than those above the diaphragm. ( I am referring to the 7 major centers only) For aspirants, centers below the diaphragm are active and the heart and throat centers are slowly coming into activity, while in the case of disciples, the ajna center plus those centers below it in the body are rapidly awakening. In the initiate, the head center is coming into vibrant activity, thus swinging all the centers into coordinated rhythm. Each individual being on some RAY, responds differently. The pattern of the unfoldment varies and the response to the inflowing forces is slightly differentiated.

Pg. 76. The healer should have some knowledge of the astrological inclinations of the patient. He would then have a more accurate diagnosis. The key to all release (either through the physical cure of disease or though death) lies in the understanding of the condition of the centers in the etheric body. These determine the rate of bodily vibratory activity and the general responsiveness of the physical body. The centers even condition the health of the sympathetic nervous system.

CONGESTION

The etheric body is a mechanism for intake and for outlet (of energy MDB).

Pg 77. Where there is no free play between the etheric body and the astral body, you will have trouble. Where there is no free play between the etheric body and the physical body, involving also the nerve ganglia and the endocrine system, you will also have trouble. Never forget the close relation between the 7 major centers and the 7 major glands of the physical system. Their functions are determined by the condition of the ETHERIC CENTERS. These are conditioned by the point in evolution, by the specific polarization of the soul, and by the rays of the soul and of the personality. The balancing of the glandular system and the relation of the glands to the blood stream, and also to CHARACTER and predispositions of many kinds, are considerations of real value. (In Transmission Meditation, someone is psychically present to tweek our chakras which balances the endocrine glands. See http://www.share-international.org Mdb)

Pg. 78 Congestion is first on the list of diseases arising in the etheric body. This is partly due to the age long habits of suppression and of inhibition which the race, as a whole has developed. It is this congestion at the point of intake and of outlet in the etheric body which is responsible for the impeding of the free flow of the life force, with the results of a rapid succumbing to disease. (How do we respond to the various energies from the outside and from the inner life MDB?)

Assigned breathing exercises with their subtle effects of readjusting the subtler bodies (the etheric and astral bodies) will become more widespread. Congestion may also exist in the ASTRAL BODY center or in the etheric body.

Pg. 79. LACK OF COORDINATION AND INTEGRATION.

The etheric body is the “substantial” form upon which the physical body is built. It is the network of NADIS (infinitely intricate) which constitutes the counterpart or duplicate aspect of the entire nervous system. It is thus definitely, with the blood stream, the instrument of the life force.

If there is a weakness in the relation between the inner structure and the outer form, the difficulty will take three forms:

1. The dense physical form is too loosely connected with the etheric form. This leads to a devitalized condition, which predisposes man to ill health.

2. The connection is poor in certain aspects of the equipment. Through certain centers, the life force cannot adequately flow, and therefore you have a weakness in some part of the physical body. Impotence is such a difficulty and a tendency to laryngitis is another.

3. The connection can also be so loose that the soul has very little hold upon its vehicle and obsession is easily established. This is an extreme example of the difficulties. Others are certain forms of fainting or loss of consciousness and “petit mal”.

Pg 80 There are also the reverse conditions when the etheric body is so closely integrated with the personality, that every part of the dense physical is in a constant condition of stimulation, with a resultant activity in the nervous system, which, if not correctly regulated, can lead to great distress. This is overstimulation of the centers. The whole theme of healing is tied up with the development, unfoldment and control of the seven major centers. (A hyper child should not be given drugs! Mdb)

posted July 07, 2010 01:30 PM         

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