posted July 08, 2010 07:16 PM         

I'm so sure that soul agreements /karma are the most integral part in understanding so much of the pain that we experience. So many incarnations with the same soul group can't be denied if an experience has been provided to prove it. Certain members in my family including myself actually remember making "agreements" between death and rebirth, following kamaloca period, before entering new birth.

posted July 08, 2010 09:27 PM         

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I'm sorry that you've been insulted and accused here of those things. I've never seen those posts and it would **** me off to read that said to you, or anyone.

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I would really like to know from you, with all of your experience, why you think the things that have happened to you have happened or just how you see it, if you think there are reasons or not. I understand if you're not comfortable doing that though, with the history that you've mentioned.

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posted July 09, 2010 11:52 AM         

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Anyone who can understand the deeper meaning will observe & reflect upon it ... not use it to get under someones skin and appear like they have you figured out.

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We place far too much attention on the issues of others. The truth is, we all have some major disorders of our own, whether or not we can even admit to them and begin the work of healing them. Whether it's narcissistic personality disorder, superficial personality disorder, narrow-minded personality disorder, meat-eating personality disorder, or whatever names you want to come up with -- everybody has some tremendous issue they'll either admit or deny and try to justify. Something that consistently holds them and others back. Aren't our weaknesses constantly triggering the weaknesses of others, and vice versa? While there's nothing terrible about pointing out another person's shortcomings, provided our motivation is relatively pure, it does become problematic when we focus obsessively on the issues of others as a means of diverting even the smallest amount of attention away from our own issues. Especially when somebody has openly admitted what their biggest cross is, it makes no sense at all to nail them to it.

But one thing I really want to say, and which has immediate relevance to this thread, is that we all rely too much on so-called spiritual laws. If there really are any definite spiritual laws, they aren't the kind we can encapsulate in a pithy sentence. The deepest part of my wisdom suggests to me that, really, we are all like ants trying to understand a football game. We'll never understand the rules -- not as long as we remain ants. And, anyway, the rules of football aren't the rules of the cosmos; -- which is to say, the rules of the cosmos aren't necessarily the laws of Creation. Is there anything more humbling than admitting to ourselves, and to others, that we don't really know what's going on here? The more we liberate our imaginations, the more possibilities we can see. Maybe we aren't supposed to figure it out. Maybe the best we can do is keep looking. Aren't we sort of like people watching a mystery and exclaiming, not even half-way through the film, "the butler did it!" As if the universe were written by some Hollywood hack.

posted July 09, 2010 11:54 AM         

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I wanted to mention that often people are working out karma for their entire Soul Group and therefore innocent "good" people (all people are good) get sick with cancer and (dis)ease all the time. Children come into the world with illness to teach those around them different lessons. It IS very complicated. It reminds me of the bible's 7th son principal where the child takes on the "evil" of his father and father's father etc. This is starkly apparent in some of the people I know. They will tell me, sure, that is good for YOU, but I am trapped in this life. I was born with a bad spine and no amount of positive thinking is going to heal it. I tell them that may be so, but there is no harm in thinking positively about it and focusing positively elsewhere. They say, "I was born into this" situation, you were born in a more positive situation. They are RIGHT! So many children are born into scary and unhealthy environments. We are all here to HELP each other. And we don't judge those who have illness because they are taking on a challenge FOR US, to teach US and help US and we are meant to use our own strengths to help them right back.

Until you are in the grips of an addiction, you have no idea how difficult it is to overcome it. Some children are exposed to cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, over-use of unhealthy food, talking bad about others to make themselves feel better, blaming others to avoid taking responsibility of their problems, and other such addictive behaviors, from BIRTH. Then they are given little to no guidance in how to escape or overcome these addictions and behaviors and ways of coping with life... and these behaviors in turn make life even more difficult for them and for their own children and children's children.
The only hope is for people to stop blaming and begin to share the love and light so many are "starving" for in every meaning of the word.
If you are "better" than anyone else, it is simply because their souls agreed to have your personality play this part this lifetime in order to grow... for you to grow and for the entire Soul Group to grow. You then have a HUGE responsibility to uplift and help those around you. They are mirrors because they are actually YOU, the entire yin and yang of YOU divided up in a slightly uneven way. They agreed to take on more of your darkness so you might have a little extra light to use to uplift them all. Don't fail them.

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posted July 09, 2010 02:00 PM         

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As far as the Cancer thing, I know that Kevin had MANY resentments/anger/unresolved emotinos from childhood, and he was also raised Catholic so that probably didn't help, though I think the environment finally was right whether it was the home, or the planets or whatever, for the cancer to catch a hold to grow out of control. Now I did a lot of Louise Hay when he was in the semi-coma, for the places I knew the cancer was, and also for other issues he was having. Did it help? I don't know. All I know is that it didn't hurt, and if it helped him to release the old bottled up emotions, then it was good.

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I was skimming the other night, because I wasn't feeling well. I'm sure every little thing can help. I just don't appreciate when it comes to people being told that every little thing is their fault: sometimes things just happen. (In my opinion.)

(I also don't believe that someone's doing a certain something, was brought about by me and my worries - this is just something I've come across, in one of the positive thinking books that I surrounded myself with when I was in a dangerously low state of mind, a couple of weeks ago. Where does their own personal responsibility come into it? That' really a rhetorical question, I'm thinking 'out loud'.)

You've just reminded me of a man my mother used to know. His son was having trouble with some of his school work - getting very low grades - so his father, on the night he had him at home, started quietly reading things to him from the school books, and he improved dramatically.

posted July 09, 2010 02:23 PM         

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I just don't appreciate when it comes to people being told that every little thing is their fault: sometimes things just happen. (In my opinion.)

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Sometime crap happens. I agree.

posted July 09, 2010 05:00 PM         

Teasel (((hugs)))

posted July 09, 2010 07:01 PM         

Also...

My latest New Age gripe...

Those lists you see of alleged "symptoms of awakening",
or "symptoms of the ascension process", or whatever,
that mirror the symptoms of a malnourishing diet;
insomnia, lethargy, cloudy thinking, aches and pains, etc.

Pretty funny,
how we'll convince ourselves of this stuff
without considering the simplest explanations first;
like, what we're putting into our bodies.

I admit, though,
I bought into that stuff once,
and I think a lot of us did.

posted July 09, 2010 07:16 PM         

I was thinking EXACTLY that. I had posted something in HAH before reading your post- had me laughing at how people can fool themselves. My gripe is when health becomes a mask for sickness. It is dishonest thinking.

posted July 09, 2010 11:04 PM         

I understand lonliness, totally..

But, why can't a relationship just be what it is, why does it always have to be the be all and end all.
So much pressure we put on these sort of things, how can they ever live up to our expectations??

posted July 10, 2010 07:53 AM         

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but as linda said, there is NO PROOF that people HAVE to die, they have just been seeing other people do it and talk about its inevitability, so they succumb to the IDEA that it IS inevitable...and it's true. there is no proof that death is inevitable. if so, why can one not believe that sickness is also a "habit" or "convention" we have all gone along with because, well, everyone else says it's just that way?

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posted July 10, 2010 11:18 AM         

that many people consider this irresponsible does not alter the fact that many find it extremely helpful and their troubles decreasing with use, so to speak.

posted July 11, 2010 01:46 PM         

I did not cause my ills.

From: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004017.html

While she (Scovel) had some good thoughts; I dismiss her because she said things like Louise Hayes does which I find just so wrong and basically cruel.
A typical Scovel Shinn piece of advice would be;

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"It is safe to say that all sickness
and unhappiness
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It is the bit of;

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"all sickness"

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is basically ALL our faults, by such as that thinking,
with the implied that it is deserved,
which I find extremely wrong, judgmental, condemning, and even evil thinking.

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Motivational author Louise Hay acknowledges her as an early influence.

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Why should I continue to share myself and my woes and so forth here when I know I am only being judged and or pitied because I am seen as a low unevolved person who has caused ALL my woes and deserves to go through hells.???????????????

I did not cause them and I highly detest the arrogance of idiots preaching such things which condemns all of us who suffer from ills, even birth defect ills.
People who think that way do deserve to be afflicted with terrible things so they can see how it feels to be judged and condemned by such as these self righteous bigot judges.
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>>>>>So PA and katatonic, why should I set myself up for more being judged, ridiculed, pitied and so forth?

posted July 11, 2010 03:54 PM         

It is safe to say that all sickness
and unhappiness
come from the violation of the law of love.

does NOT say it is a violation on YOUR PART of the law of love IMO. perhaps it was on your parents' part. and i don't think the violation has to be any particularly nasty thoughts either, but perhaps FEAR generated by insecurity, not believing that love can only create something beautiful...or believing in original sin?

like the belief in fire and brimstone which many religious people hold, which to me is ALSO a violation of the laws of love. punishment is not love. discipline and punishment are not the same thing, but many parents think children need to have the devil beaten out of them. this kind of thinking is a VIOLATION OF THE LAWS OF LOVE...is it not?

another violation of the laws of love is to BLAME someone for their own suffering. a misinterpretation of the gravest kind, but which i admit many people do make. i don't think either author meant anything of the sort, but that PERFECT or even SUFFICIENT love can HEAL and the lack thereof can maim, sicken and otherwise HARM.

can you see the difference?

it certainly is too simple to be THE answer, but it is a piece of the puzzle that i have found very empowering.

AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD NOT PRESUME TO TELL YOU WHETHER YOU SHOULD POST HERE OR NOT...SINCE APPARENTLY SOME DINGDONGS HAVE CHOSEN TO LECTURE YOU ON THE SUBJECT!! nor would i presume to tell you i know what caused your challenges....or that you are not loving enough ...but i DO remember louise hay talking about discussing her cancer with a RS counselor who pointed out that "cancer is caused by resentful thinking" to which her initial response was "who ME? RESENTFUL? no way!!" i guess she had seen enough success with that school of thought to try it anyway, and she DID find a lot of buried resentment which she worked on...

but NOTHING WORKS FOR EVERYBODY OR APPLIES TO EVERYBODY...these people are prescribing what worked for them.

posted July 11, 2010 07:31 PM         

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This is interesting and I'd love to hear you expound/expand on this.

Gypsee, Yup.

I tend to respond more to the definitions of soul mates that give full attention to our human imperfection. A soul mate isn't going to take your lessons away and make you perfect. On the contrary. A soul mate reflects your lessons back to you, and this isn't always comfortable. We are all each others' soul mates, somehow.