posted May 11, 2012 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Sashar:
Well, it sure isn't me. I'm done, don't want to go round again, thank you very much. Just want to go home ....
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There is just so much stupidly bad stuff that happens in the world, that shouldn't happen if people just freakin' cared about one another. It's so darn frustrating that I just do not ever want to come back. Ever.

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Same here.

I don't think i'm a new or old soul. All i know is that it's ugly here and I can't wait until it's over.

& hope i never have to come back.

posted May 11, 2012 06:24 AM            

From my observations, lessons repeat in cycles until we "get it". Experiences repeat in cycles until we release them. Things improve in life if and only if we raise our frequency using tested tools of forgiveness, unconditional love and maintaining a positive attitude even in desperate times.

9th House, 9th House Planets and 9th Lord are how we improve. Even with an empty 12th, a strong 9th can lead us out of this Matrix.
Perhaps we improve to the point that we Ascend and exit this Dimension or we improve to an extent that we can come back here as Immortals. I would definitely come back but if and only if I have more sophisticated powers and 100% Past Life memory intact.

The 6th House shows us how we can serve others and build up positive energy.

The 3rd House shows us how we can gather the data for Ascension.

And so on. Technically, anyone can make this their last incarnation by using the 3rd and 9th House Lords/Planets to the fullest.

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Packed 12th House folks are the most suicidal ever. It is the weight of the past life guilt that makes them thus. Suicide feeds Astral Vampires with an unparalleled delicacy, which is why Ancient Seers discouraged suicide. Suicide is like unplugging from the Matrix without having Morpheus or the Nebuchadnezzar around to protect from the Sentinel Machines. Suicide will not eradicate any problem, the next incarnation will be just as messy.

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posted May 11, 2012 09:57 AM            

Speaking for myself, I am nowhere even close to this yet. I am hazarding I guess that nobody I know personally is either. I also think I need a LOT more than 9 lifetimes (in total) to get myself evolved to the point of ascension.

It is therefore difficult for me to accept that everybody with a NN in a karmic house is ready for ascension. If they were, 25% of the world population (1.75 billion) people must have reached adepthood, and have nothing left to learn here on earth.

Perhaps my understanding of the prerequisites for ascension are just different?

posted May 11, 2012 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
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Why so defensive.

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posted May 11, 2012 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Very good explanation by Rosalind.

From my observations, lessons repeat in cycles until we "get it". Experiences repeat in cycles until we release them. Things improve in life if and only if we raise our frequency using tested tools of forgiveness, unconditional love and maintaining a positive attitude even in desperate times.

9th House, 9th House Planets and 9th Lord are how we improve. Even with an empty 12th, a strong 9th can lead us out of this Matrix.
Perhaps we improve to the point that we Ascend and exit this Dimension or we improve to an extent that we can come back here as Immortals. I would definitely come back but if and only if I have more sophisticated powers and 100% Past Life memory intact.

The 6th House shows us how we can serve others and build up positive energy.

The 3rd House shows us how we can gather the data for Ascension.

And so on. Technically, anyone can make this their last incarnation by using the 3rd and 9th House Lords/Planets to the fullest.

On Suicide:
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Packed 12th House folks are the most suicidal ever. It is the weight of the past life guilt that makes them thus. Suicide feeds Astral Vampires with an unparalleled delicacy, which is why Ancient Seers discouraged suicide. Suicide is like unplugging from the Matrix without having Morpheus or the Nebuchadnezzar around to protect from the Sentinel Machines. Suicide will not eradicate any problem, the next incarnation will be just as messy.

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Thank you for your input on my ex-boyfriend and his packed 12th house as well.

posted May 11, 2012 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Great thread!

Thought I'd link this one up, for those interested in this topic....(heavy 8th housers ... lol )
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000686.html

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posted May 11, 2012 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Not trying to be difficult here, but my understanding is that a person is able to ascend (ie. no more need to reincarnate this cycle) when they achieve integration with their higher self. They then become an adept/master and are able to release the karma which holds them in the pattern of incarnation.

Speaking for myself, I am nowhere even close to this yet. I am hazarding I guess that nobody I know personally is either. I also think I need a LOT more than 9 lifetimes (in total) to get myself evolved to the point of ascension.

It is therefore difficult for me to accept that everybody with a NN in a karmic house is ready for ascension. If they were, 25% of the world population (1.75 billion) people must have reached adepthood, and have nothing left to learn here on earth.

Perhaps my understanding of the prerequisites for ascension are just different?

I do think that astrology can help with Past Life information - esp the South Node and certain Karmic points and aspects. But ascension - I don't know - but if there is, I am pretty sure that the indicators would form a very complex and specific pattern full of spiritual symbolism. I don't think it would just be all down to one placement.

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I totally agree.
I also think that instead of looking for single placements/ aspects, the answer - if there is any- rather lies in astro-signature, a very specific combination of placements and aspects.

posted May 11, 2012 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I hate when these types of threads descend into "I'm more evolved than you" circle jerking.

Everyone has a lesson to learn.

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With this kind of attitude you wont be able to learn a thing. No offence.

posted May 11, 2012 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I won't take offense to that statement, but why are you getting defensive?

Ascension is a very personal thing and no one needs to go around bragging about their chart placements to *prove* why they are an old soul. Who cares? It's like the Calvinists, who believed in pre destination, so they'd go around trying to prove to their peers that they were going to heaven, when THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT IS TO DIE AND GO TO HEAVEN.

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posted May 11, 2012 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I see now. You didnt understand a thing. Actually... from what you wrote I can see that you don't understand a thing regarding astrology or karma. Astrology is just a TOOL that indicates the karma. But in reality KARMA is FELT not SEEN. Karma isnt something that shoulb be proven but DONE. Even if astrology wouldnt exist, karma would be worked out. It is in our nature. In our destiny. You don't understand something essential. People who ask about their last reincarnation don't ask from any other reason but CURIOSITY. They already know what they have to do. Even if they don't remember a thing about what they were in their last life, they know they something to work at. From your posts and others I sense envy and other feelings. Its normal but unfair. Just because is more interested in a subject than you, that doesnt mean they have to be mocked or discouraged but helped. In the end what is this forum purpose? To help people and to learn new things or it is a competition between egos?

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posted May 11, 2012 04:48 PM            

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Karma isnt something that shouldnt be proven but DONE.

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My point exactly.

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To help people and to learn new things or it is a competition between egos?

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Maybe that's a good question for yourself?

My original point IS THIS: It is more imperative to find out what your soul's purpose is FOR THIS LIFE rather than finding out just how "old" your soul may or may not be. I've been on this forum for years now and every few months this type of thread pops up and a few people take the opportunity to pat themselves on the back for having a few indicators of an old soul in their charts.

posted May 11, 2012 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I hate when these types of threads descend into "I'm more evolved than you" circle jerking.

Everyone has a lesson to learn.

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posted May 11, 2012 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Allow people to "think" what they want amowls lol
Don't worry about it

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posted May 11, 2012 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I won't take offense to that statement, but why are you getting defensive?

Ascension is a very personal thing and no one needs to go around bragging about their chart placements to *prove* why they are an old soul. Who cares? It's like the Calvinists, who believed in pre destination, so they'd go around trying to prove to their peers that they were going to heaven, when THE ONLY WAY TO FIND
OUT IS TO DIE AND GO TO HEAVEN.

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