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posted March 23, 2006 11:35 AM         

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Gosh Nephys, do you really live in Alaska? How did you swing that one? I don't normally post here as it is too sentimental for me, (and I see you have your heartfelt sentiments posted here as well!) but I heard something on the radio last night> Fish feel pain, but if you must fish and you are going to throw the fish back, take a bucket of ice along to put the fish in a little coma, so it doesn't feel it when when you remove the hook from its mouth.

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posted March 23, 2006 07:57 PM         

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Sorry, malkhouf? I think you got me mixed up with someone else? I live in California. I've never been to Alaska. I have been vegetarian for 8 years and I don't fish.

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posted March 25, 2006 06:14 AM         

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Yes I got you mixed up with Harpr for some reason. Where does she post?

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posted March 25, 2006 11:10 AM         

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Hi maklhouf,

Wow. So if I put the fish on ice, it will go into a coma and then it will wake up when I put it back in the water? That's neat.
Honestly I've never really been much of a fisherwoman. The few times I have been fishing, I always eat it.
I actually think that fishing for the purpose of just releasing it is kinda cruel. I've never doubted that fish feel pain and I wouldn't want to put a creature through pain for the sole purpose of relaxation for me.
I do plan on fishing this summer but it's because I want to know that if push came to shove and I needed to live of the land for whatever reason, that I could do it.
I'm sure I'll be eating what I catch because I think fish is yummy.

Thanks for thinking of me!

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posted March 25, 2006 03:41 PM         

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There she is!

Her forum is Gaia's Garden!

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posted March 29, 2006 01:50 PM         

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posted April 01, 2006 05:04 AM         

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now let quit fish !

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posted April 01, 2006 04:50 PM         

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But salmon is my soul food! Truly, it is one of the wonderous gifts of this great land of Alaska..

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posted April 07, 2006 01:39 PM         

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posted April 07, 2006 11:55 PM         

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posted April 08, 2006 07:28 AM         

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I've tasted wild Alaskan salmon.There is nothing to touch it.

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posted April 09, 2006 09:15 AM         

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i am a veggie here !

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posted April 10, 2006 11:53 AM         

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posted April 10, 2006 09:48 PM         

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Did you see my veggie recipes, Aqua?

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posted April 11, 2006 02:47 AM         

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oh yes at the Health And Healing forum.still have to try it out though sounds delicious !

will try soon !

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posted April 11, 2006 11:22 AM         

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i don't know if this has ever happened to anyone else, but i know for a fact and i've read elsewhere too that when you consume dead food such as animal flesh, you eat it's misery aswell

this is true for me, i ate chicken about a week ago and i felt depressed and wanted to kill myself the rest of the day, i felt like i was living in a concentration camp or something which i guess is what it must be like for the chickens

has anyone else ever had such an emotional impact from eating flesh?

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posted April 11, 2006 05:37 PM         

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Yes, I believe there is truth to that 13anshee.

Unless you were eating free range, organic chicken, then likely the poor creature's entire existence was quite miserably spent crammed in a tiny little cage. I avoid industrial produced meat at all costs. I will only eat free range, grass fed, organic meat so I can be assured that the creature's life was lived as is should be- with plenty of sun and room to roam and quickly and humanely killed. Actually, the meat that I eat most frequently is moose-meat. So I have no doubt that the creature spent it's life as it should and was ended quickly when the time came.. no suffering.. my father assures me as he was the one who hunted it. One moose feeds his family and mine for the entire year.. with enough to spare some gifts to others as well.

Salmon are unique creatures that spend their lives at sea and return to the rivers only at the end of their existence to spawn. Their flesh is meant to be eaten by land creatures so as to return the nutrients that had been washed to sea back to the land from whence it came.

I also believe that plants have feelings. Linda talks about it in Star Signs..
They can 'recognize' different people or creatures and feel what can only be interpreted as 'alarm' or 'fear'..
What it boils down to is that all living things must kill and consume other living things to survive. Vegetarians are still killing living beings and consuming their 'flesh', in my opinion.

But to answer your originial question, yes.. I feel crummier when I eat factory farmed meat and I think that it can be attributed, at least in part, to the fact that I am eating it's cumulative suffering. I think that American Indians knew this truth and that was the reason they performed ceremonies to thank the creatures they were eating..

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posted April 12, 2006 07:03 AM         

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[QUOTE]I also believe that plants have feelings[QUOTE/]
I think we see this very clearly when we look at sea plants.They help me envisage the fourth dimension because they are so nebulous and animal like.

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posted April 12, 2006 01:58 PM         

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yes i very much agree with u Harpyr yhat plants have feeling as well.but if the comparison is done there are less senses in them as that of in animals.

or let me put it that way,in the old scriptures of jainism it has been mentioned that plants also reach ,feel and so on but if u start eating animals as well it is'nt the same thing as that of plants.
and linda said that when we attain the max. we'll then survive only on air.but for the attainment of that path we'll have to follow a certain sequence.

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posted April 17, 2006 07:17 AM         

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How do you feel about plants that eat animals, like the venus fly trap?

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posted August 07, 2006 02:36 PM         

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posted August 08, 2006 09:34 PM         

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I don't eat meat, chicken, or sea food.

Murdered animal is not something I can find delicious.

Just thinking of it makes me want to throw up.

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posted August 09, 2006 06:04 PM         

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posted August 11, 2006 08:43 AM         

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They say there is no humane way to kill an animal, and that may be so. But humans also suffer when they die, sometimes horrifically, so the animals are not necessarily getting a "worse" deal than if they were left to die by accident or illness.

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