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MysticMelody
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posted November 02, 2007 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch what? *crickets chirping*

Well, speaking of polar bears...
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=21161359

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posted November 02, 2007 07:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

http://www.jeffsweather.com/archives/Baby_Polar_Bear-.jpg (pic to big - edited by mod)

Of course we love polar bears! I love all animals.

There is a great children's animation called "The Bear" by the same people who created "The Snowman". Really sweet.

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If only we could feel and understand all each others feelings....then EMPATHY and LOVE would be law in itself.

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posted November 03, 2007 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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When it comes to God, while it is said that God created humankind in his own image, it is also the case that humankind creates God in their image of what God is and is not. But I think that somewhere in the middle of sharing our concepts of God everyone may have a piece of the great puzzle or a piece of truth to add.

If the history of revelation is any indication it is often those who are not esteemed very highly by their fellow human beings and not those who would profess to have great intellect and knowledge that God has selected to speak through the loudest and most profoundly.

For that reason we should be open to everyone who wants to share their thoughts about God. Because no one has the upperhand when it comes to God. When it comes to God we are all the same. No one is special.


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sesame
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posted November 03, 2007 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We are all flowers from the same plant. What you do to another, you do to god, and you do to yourself.

BlueRoamer (sorry BR, but you didn't say to not quote you )

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sesame
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posted November 03, 2007 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, I like this thread, not because I was the first person quoted or bacause of the iteresting talk about sex with penguins, but because the quotes mentioned so far have been cool and do seemt to some up the other thread that does seem to be debating this somewhat. Mystic Melody, thank you for your trio of God questioning threads, it has been an intersting exercise so far and one of which this forum is pretty much here for. But then, I like all of the threads here (I'm paid to say that, well, in a manner of speaking).

Cheers,
Dean.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 03, 2007 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LTT,


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I can't help thinking that every action causes an equal reaction in the opposite direction;
a loving action creates an equal force of hatred somewhere else on the planet and so on.


I've had that one.

Here's how I dealt with it:


Action:

Love increases


Equal and Opposite Reaction:

Hatred decreases


Hang in there.

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sesame
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posted November 03, 2007 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ListensToTrees, I'm really sorry, but the pic you have above was too big for the thread, so I edited it. If you really want to show it, then feel free to edit it again, but I just feel that if people want to view it, they can click the link - otherwise, to read each line you have to scroll the page along the bottom which is cumbersome. Sorry again - I mean no disrespect. They are beautiful pics - thanks for linking.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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fayte.m
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posted November 03, 2007 10:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LTT
Adorable!
I shrank him for you!

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 03, 2007 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG,

quote:

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I worship the SEX God.
Now that, as Depeche Mode would put it- brings me closer to God.
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As Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails would put it as well. Any correlation? Trent Reznor and Dave Gahan are both Taureans.



When Taurus is on the ASC
Sagittarius is on the 8th.


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God is in the orgasm. Lotus is turning in her grave.

The fate of all martyrs.

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posted November 03, 2007 10:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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God is in the orgasm. Lotus is turning in her grave.

Uh huh...hhhmmmmmm............
Actually Lotus does not have a problem with orgasms. I have had some interesting discussions with her on that issue. It is folks bragging about their so called sexual prowess or imagined sex appeal, going on about how hot they think they are and drooling over anything that moves, that annoys her the most, and not having much to say without mentioning sex so much. And teasing her cruely because due to circumstances she has been celibate for about a decade.
Yes, she gets over cranked about it, but I have since come to understand why.
Seriously, she does have her own personal valid reasons.
And I may be wrong...but I feel she does understand the sacredness of this:
quote:
God is in the orgasm
I wonder how many here do not. That is not a titillating giggle matter at all. Kundalini, Tantric, Sacred sex, not rutting in heat rapaciousness.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}<}}(*> <3
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~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~God is in the orgasm. Lotus is turning in her grave.

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posted November 03, 2007 10:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, have we "found" the meaning/existence of God yet in here?

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sesame
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posted November 03, 2007 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SattvicMoon, yes, as always, the meaning is only meant for the individual that arrives at said meaning, and is only available for a timespan as set by the intentions of the mean person, I mean, sad - whoops said person.

Cheers,
Dean.

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posted November 03, 2007 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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When Taurus is on the ASC
Sagittarius is on the 8th.

Good catch, Stephen.

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NAM
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posted November 03, 2007 12:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool! so I was right then, God is in deed in the orgasm.
I will go to my closest church and yell out to everyone the wonderful news.


BTW,fayte you are right about Lotus, I was under the impression when I just came to this site that she was not in touch with her sexuality but I was very wrong.She knows what's up in that department and chooses right for her for the time of her life, I understand completely why she does, same reason why I stay away from sharing my bed with men.

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NAM
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posted November 03, 2007 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So, have we "found" the meaning/existence of God yet in here?

How about relationships and the love we share on those; specially the one with a "special" partner and giving this person unconditional love without expecting anything in return.(specially this relationship will hence the mentioned of "orgasms" )
^ yes or no to that?


oh, I know...we are a "whole" right? we don't need anyone to experience the ecstasy of life...that's right I forgot...silly me, we are all superman in here, we don't need another person to make our lifes special.
*insert sarcasm smiley in here*

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Solane Star
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posted November 03, 2007 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!!!

Thanks for that wonderful reminder quote there Sesame!!!


That is one of the most truthful, powerful, liberating and beautiful posts that I have ever read here!!!


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When it comes to God, while it is said that God created humankind in his own image, it is also the case that humankind creates God in their image of what God is and is not. But I think that somewhere in the middle of sharing our concepts of God everyone may have a piece of the great puzzle or a piece of truth to add.
If the history of revelation is any indication it is often those who are not esteemed very highly by their fellow human beings and not those who would profess to have great intellect and knowledge that God has selected to speak through the loudest and most profoundly.

For that reason we should be open to everyone who wants to share their thoughts about God. Because no one has the upperhand when it comes to God. When it comes to God we are all the same. No one is special.


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posted November 03, 2007 05:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NAM
Thank you for understanding about LHO.{{{HUGS}}}

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}<}}(*> <3
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~

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ListensToTrees
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posted November 03, 2007 05:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just being playful when I wrote that God is in the orgasm. Well, in a sense it is true. On the other hand, it is no big deal as these things are all finite and cannot be compared to the infinite, which goes beyond the chemistry of this corrupted body form, etc.

What I really meant was GOD IS IN ONENESS.

There are many ways to feel ONENESS.

You can sit, just listening to nature.
You can merge into your favorite music.
You can feel at one with the soul of your dog or cat as you stroke them, look into their eyes and show them tenderness.
You can feel at one as you release your imagination into something creative.
Once I even felt at one with all the people whilst sitting in a pub, as alcohol tends to trigger a high in me. I just felt so at peace with myself and everything for the first time in my life.......
(By the way, I rarely drink nowadays as I am still breastfeeding plus I don't like the "lows" after).


Sesame, I don't mind you taking the picture down at all. I actually thought it was too big too and was going to take it down, but I just wanted people to see it first- so cute! Good work, fayte!

Oh, and there is nothing wrong with celibacy either. Sex is over rated- plus if you're not with someone you feel compatible with, then you're better off eating a bar of chocolate.

Love is more important.
But sex does boost the immune system.
Heartache doesn't!

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posted November 03, 2007 05:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that was a great quote by Mirandee........

I also feel, not only can we learn from each other, but as the Native Americans taught- from animals and nature too.

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posted November 03, 2007 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Love is more important.
But sex does boost the immune system.
Heartache doesn't!



With that said, at this time of my life I couldn't be happy being with someone without the sex factor.maybe this will change with the years, but right now that connection is extremely important, I say a must.
Probably why I am alone LOL

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posted November 03, 2007 07:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not saying it isn't important. I'm just saying it isn't everything.

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So much frustration is simply a result of trying to think our way through problems instead of feeling our way to what we desire. How we feel determines our vibration, so until we change the way we feel, our minds will keep going in circles, digging up the same old grievances, glitches and gripes. If we shift our hearts open, however, light pours in, and then we can see our circumstances from a higher perspective.

- Julia Melges-Brenner


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THE KYBALION

CHAPTER IV
THE ALL

"Under, and back of, the Universe of Time, Space and Change,
is ever to be found The Substantial Reality--the Fundamental
Truth."--The Kybalion.

"Substance" means: "that which underlies all outward manifestations; the essence; the essential reality; the thing in itself," etc. "Substantial" means: "actually existing; being the essential element; being real," etc. "Reality" means: "the state of being real; true, enduring; valid; fixed; permanent; actual," etc.

Under and behind all outward appearances or manifestations, there must always be a Substantial Reality. This is the Law. Man considering the Universe, of which he is a unit, sees nothing but change in matter, forces, and mental states. He sees that nothing really IS, but that everything is BECOMING and CHANGING. Nothing stands still-everything is being born, growing, dying-the very instant a thing reaches its height, it begins to decline--the law of rhythm is in constant operation--there is no reality, enduring quality, fixity, or substantiality in anything-- nothing is permanent but Change. He sees all things evolving from other things, and resolving into other things--constant action and reaction; inflow and outflow; building up and tearing down; creation and destruction; birth, growth and death. Nothing endures but Change. And if he be a thinking man, he realizes that all of these changing things must be but outward appearances or manifestations of some Underlying Power--some Substantial Reality.

All thinkers, in all lands and in all times, have assumed the necessity for postulating the existence of this Substantial Reality. All philosophies worthy of the name have been based upon this thought. Men have given to this Substantial Reality many names-some have called it by the term of Deity (under many titles). Others have called it "The Infinite and Eternal Energy" others have tried to call it "Matter"--but all have acknowledged its existence. It is self-evident it needs no argument.

In these lessons we have followed the example of some of the world's greatest thinkers, both ancient and modern--the Hermetic. Masters--and have called this Underlying Power--this Substantial Reality--by the Hermetic name of "THE ALL," which term we consider the most comprehensive of the many terms applied by Man to THAT which transcends names and terms.

We accept and teach the view of the great Hermetic thinkers of all times, as well as of those illumined souls who have reached higher planes of being, both of whom assert that the inner nature of THE ALL is UNKNOWABLE. This must be so, for naught by THE ALL itself can comprehend its own nature and being.

The Hermetists believe and teach that THE ALL, "in itself," is and must ever be UNKNOWABLE. They regard all the theories, guesses and speculations of the theologians and metaphysicians regarding the inner nature of THE ALL, as but the childish efforts of mortal minds to grasp the secret of the Infinite. Such efforts have always failed and will always fail, from the very nature of the task. One pursuing such inquiries travels around and around in the labyrinth of thought, until he is lost to all sane reasoning, action or conduct, and is utterly unfitted for the work of life. He is like the squirrel which frantically runs around and around the circling treadmill wheel of his cage, traveling ever and yet reaching nowhere--at the end a prisoner still, and standing just where he started.

And still more presumptuous are those who attempt to ascribe to THE ALL the personality, qualities, properties, characteristics and attributes of themselves, ascribing to THE ALL the human emotions, feelings, and characteristics, even down to the pettiest qualities of mankind, such as jealousy, susceptibility to flattery and praise, desire for offerings and worship, and all the other survivals from the days of the childhood of the race. Such ideas are not worthy of grown men and women, and are rapidly being discarded.

(At this point, it may be proper for me to state that we make a distinction between Religion and Theology--between Philosophy and Metaphysics. Religion, to us, means that intuitional realization of the existence of THE ALL, and one's relationship to it; while Theology means the attempts of men to ascribe personality, qualities, and characteristics to it; their theories regarding its affairs, will, desires, plans, and designs, and their assumption of the office of '' middle-men'' between THE ALL and the people. Philosophy, to us, means the inquiry after knowledge of things knowable and thinkable; while Metaphysics means the attempt to carry the inquiry over and beyond the boundaries and into regions unknowable and unthinkable, and with the same tendency as that of Theology. And consequently, both Religion and Philosophy mean to us things having roots in Reality, while Theology and Metaphysics seem like broken reeds, rooted in the quicksands of ignorance, and affording naught but the most insecure support for the mind or soul of Man. we do not insist upon our students accepting these definitions--we mention them merely to show our position. At any rate, you shall hear very little about Theology and Metaphysics in these lessons.)

But while the essential nature of THE ALL is Unknowable, there are certain truths connected with its existence which the human mind finds itself compelled to accept. And an examination of these reports form a proper subject of inquiry, particularly as they agree with the reports of the Illumined on higher planes. And to this inquiry we now invite you.

"THAT which is the Fundamental Truth--the Substantial
Reality--is beyond true naming, but the Wise Men call
it THE ALL."--The Kybalion.

"In its Essence, THE ALL is UNKNOWABLE."--The Kybalion.

"But, the report of Reason must be hospitably received,
and treated with respect."--The Kybalion.

The human reason, whose reports we must accept so long as we think at all, informs us as follows regarding THE ALL, and that without attempting to remove the veil of the Unknowable:

(1) THE ALL must be ALL that REALLY IS. There can be
nothing existing outside of THE ALL, else THE ALL would
not be THE ALL.

(2) THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else
to define, confine, bound, limit; or restrict THE ALL.
It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL,--it must have
always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to
have ever created it, and something can never evolve from
nothing, and if it had ever "not been," even for a moment,
it would not "be" now,--it must continuously exist forever,
for there is nothing to destroy it, and it can never
"not-be," even for a moment, because something can never
become nothing. It must be Infinite in Space--it must be
Everywhere, for there is no place outside of THE ALL--it
cannot be otherwise than continuous in Space, without break,
cessation, separation, or interruption, for there is nothing
to break, separate, or interrupt its continuity, and nothing
with which to "fill in the gaps." It must be Infinite in
Power, or Absolute, for there is nothing to limit, restrict,
restrain, confine, disturb or condition it--it is subject to
no other Power, for there is no other Power.

(3) THE ALL must be IMMUTABLE, or not subject to change in
its real nature, for there is nothing to work changes upon it
nothing into which it could change, nor from which it could
have changed. It cannot be added to nor subtracted from;
increased nor diminished; nor become greater or lesser in any
respect whatsoever. It must have always been, and must always
remain, just what it is now--THE ALL--there has never been,
is not now, and never will be, anything else into which it
can change.

THE ALL being Infinite, Absolute, Eternal and Unchangeable it must follow that anything finite, changeable, fleeting, and conditioned cannot be THE ALL. And as there is Nothing outside of THE ALL, in Reality, then any and all such finite things must be as Nothing in Reality. Now do not become befogged, nor frightened--we are not trying to lead you into the Christian Science field under cover of Hermetic Philosophy. There is a Reconciliation of this apparently contradictory state of affairs. Be patient, we will reach it in time.

We see around us that which is called "Matter," which forms the physical foundation for all forms. Is THE ALL merely Matter? Not at all! Matter cannot manifest Life or Mind, and as Life and Mind are manifested in the Universe, THE ALL cannot be Matter, for nothing rises higher than its own source--nothing is ever manifested in an effect that is not in the cause--nothing is evolved as a consequent that is not involved as an antecedent. And then Modern Science informs us that there is really no such thing as Matter--that what we call Matter is merely "interrupted energy or force," that is, energy or force at a low rate of vibration. As a recent writer has said "Matter has melted into Mystery." Even Material Science has abandoned the theory of Matter, and now rests on the basis of "Energy."

Then is THE ALL mere Energy or Force? Not Energy or Force as the materialists use the terms, for their energy and force are blind, mechanical things, devoid of Life or Mind. Life and Mind can never evolve from blind Energy or Force, for the reason given a moment ago: "Nothing can rise higher than its source--nothing is evolved unless it is involved--nothing manifests in the effect, unless it is in the cause. " And so THE ALL cannot be mere Energy or Force, for, if it were, then there would be no such things as Life and Mind in existence, and we know better than that, for we are Alive and using Mind to consider this very question, and so are those who claim that Energy or Force is Everything.

What is there then higher than Matter or Energy that we know to be existent in the Universe? LIFE AND MIND! Life and Mind in all their varying degrees of unfoldment! "Then," you ask, "do you mean to tell us that THE ALL is LIFE and MIND?" Yes! and No! is our answer. If you mean Life and Mind as we poor petty mortals know them, we say No! THE ALL is not that! "But what kind of Life and Mind do you mean?" you ask.

The answer is "LIVING MIND," as far above that which mortals know by those words, as Life and Mind are higher than mechanical forces, or matter--INFINITE LIVING MIND as compared to finite "Life and Mind." We mean that which the illumined souls mean when they reverently pronounce the word: "SPIRIT!"

"THE ALL" is Infinite Living Mind--the Illumined call it SPIRIT!

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posted November 08, 2007 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"In its Essence, THE ALL is UNKNOWABLE."
-The Kybalion.

The ALL must then be considered KNOWABLE as the UNKNOWABLE, no? Nothing is UNKNOWABLE. Rather, there are things beyond our boundaries of what we know though they are still known as such.

just a thought...

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