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venusdeindia
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posted April 29, 2008 04:22 AM              Reply w/Quote
i recently finished reading the book, mind blowing . the archaelogical and scriptural evidence is convincing. you guys here , what do you think ? is it possible ?

The Best of the Sons of Men

Ancient scrolls reveal that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet
From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhist and Hindu holy men
The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians
Today they still know him and love him as St. Issa. Their 'buddha'

In 1894 Nicolas Notovitch published a book called The Unknown Life of Christ. He was a Russian doctor who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch journeyed through the lovely passes of Bolan, over the Punjab, down into the arid rocky land of Ladak, and into the majestic Vale of Kashmir of the Himalayas. During one of his jouneys he was visiting Leh, the capital of Ladak, near where the buddhist convent Himis is. He had an accident that resulted in his leg being broken. This gave him the unscheduled opportunity to stay awhile at the Himis convent.

Notovitch learned, while he was there, that there existed ancient records of the life of Jesus Christ. In the course of his visit at the great convent, he located a Tibetan translation of the legend and carefully noted in his carnet de voyage over two hundred verses from the curious document known as "The Life of St. Issa."

He was shown two large yellowed volumes containing the biography of St. Issa. Notovitch enlisted a member of his party to translate the Tibetan volumes while he carefully noted each verse in the back pages of his journal.

When he returned to the western world there was much controversy as to the authenticity of the document. He was accused of creating a hoax and was ridiculed as an imposter. In his defense he encouraged a scientific expedition to prove the original tibetan documents existed.

One of his skeptics was Swami Abhedananda. Abhedananda journeyed into the arctic region of the Himalayas, determined to find a copy of the Himis manuscript or to expose the fraud. His book of travels, entitled Kashmir O Tibetti, tells of a visit to the Himis gonpa and includes a Bengali translation of two hundred twenty-four verses essentially the same as the Notovitch text. Abhedananda was thereby convinced of the authenticity of the Issa legend.

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posted April 29, 2008 04:23 AM              Reply w/Quote

In 1925, another Russian named Nicholas Roerich arrived at Himis. Roerich, was a philosopher and a distinguished scientist. He apparently saw the same documents as Notovitch and Abhedananda. And he recorded in his own travel diary the same legend of St. Issa. Speaking of Issa, Roerich quotes legends which have the estimated antiquity of many centuries.

... He passed his time in several ancient cities of India such as Benares. All loved him because Issa dwelt in peace with Vaishas and Shudras whom he instructed and helped. But the Brahmins and Kshatriyas told him that Brahma forbade those to approach who were created out of his womb and feet. The Vaishas were allowed to listen to the Vedas only on holidays and the Shudras were forbidden not only to be present at the reading of the Vedas, but could not even look at them.

Issa said that man had filled the temples with his abominations. In order to pay homage to metals and stones, man sacrificed his fellows in whom dwells a spark of the Supreme Spirit. Man demeans those who labor by the sweat of their brows, in order to gain the good will of the sluggard who sits at the lavishly set board. But they who deprive their brothers of the common blessing shall be themselves stripped of it.

Vaishas and Shudras were struck with astonishment and asked what they could perform. Issa bade them "Worship not the idols. Do not consider yourself first. Do not humiliate your neighbor. Help the poor. Sustain the feeble. Do evil to no one. Do not covet that which you do not possess and which is possessed by others."

Many, learning of such words, decided to kill Issa. But Issa, forewarned, departed from this place by night.

Afterward, Issa went into Nepal and into the Himalayan mountains ....

"Well, perform for us a miracle," demanded the servitors of the Temple. Then Issa replied to them: "Miracles made their appearance from the very day when the world was created. He who cannot behold them is deprived of the greatest gift of life. But woe to you, enemies of men, woe unto you, if you await that He should attest his power by miracle."

Issa taught that men should not strive to behold the Eternal Spirit with one's own eyes but to feel it with the heart, and to become a pure and worthy soul....

"Not only shall you not make human offerings, but you must not slaughter animals, because all is given for the use of man. Do not steal the goods of others, because that would be usurpation from your near one. Do not cheat, that you may in turn not be cheated ....

"Beware, ye, who divert men from the true path and who fill the people with superstitions and prejudices, who blind the vision of the seeing ones, and who preach subservience to material things. "...

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venusdeindia
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posted April 29, 2008 04:24 AM              Reply w/Quote
At this time, an old woman approached the crowd, but was pushed back. Then Issa said, "Reverence Woman, mother of the universe,' in her lies the truth of creation. She is the foundation of all that is good and beautiful. She is the source of life and death. Upon her depends the existence of man, because she is the sustenance of his labors. She gives birth to you in travail, she watches over your growth. Bless her. Honor her. Defend her. Love your wives and honor them, because tomorrow they shall be mothers, and later-progenitors of a whole race. Their love ennobles man, soothes the embittered heart and tames the beast. Wife and mother-they are the adornments of the universe."

"As light divides itself from darkness, so does woman possess the gift to divide in man good intent from the thought of evil. Your best thoughts must belong to woman. Gather from them your moral strength, which you must possess to sustain your near ones. Do not humiliate her, for therein you will humiliate yourselves. And all which you will do to mother, to wife, to widow or to another woman in sorrow-that shall you also do for the Spirit."

So taught Issa; but the ruler Pilate ordered one of his servants to make accusation against him.

Said Issa: "Not far hence is the time when by the Highest Will the people will become purified and united into one family."

And then turning to the ruler, he said, "Why demean thy dignity and teach thy subordinates to live in deceit when even without this thou couldst also have had the means of accusing an innocent one?"

From another version of the legend, Roerich quotes fragments of thought and evidence of the miraculous.

Near Lhasa was a temple of teaching with a wealth of manuscripts. Jesus was to acquaint himself with them. Meng-ste, a great sage of all the East, was in this temple.

Finally Jesus reached a mountain pass and in the chief city of Ladak, Leh, he was joyously accepted by monks and people of the lower class .... And Jesus taught in the monasteries and in the bazaars (the market places); wherever the simple people gathered--there he taught.

Not far from this place lived a woman whose son had died and she brought him to Jesus. And in the presence of a multitude, Jesus laid his hand on the child, and the child rose healed. And many brought their children and Jesus laid his hands upon them, healing them.

Among the Ladakis, Jesus passed many days, teaching them. And they loved him and when the time of his departure came they sorrowed as children.


Click here to read 'The Life of Saint Issa' Translation by Notovitch
http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1340/jesus_in_india.htm

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venusdeindia
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posted April 29, 2008 04:30 AM              Reply w/Quote
from my own personal experience....
the origin of REIKI as follows..............

DR. USUI who was the first reiki master was a christian minister in a japanese university.one of his students asked him to explain how CHRIST healed people.as he had no answer, USUI left the job, and set out to seek the answer to this question.this led him to christian institutions in AMERICA, EUROPE et al, with no consequences. then he heard about the stories in buddhist tradition about the healing powers of BUDDHA that had many parallels with the biblical accounts. this led him to BENARAS ,the oldest city in INDIA which has monasteries of every religious tradition that exists in INDIA.here he discoverd that CHRIST himself had spent 11 of his 18 missing years, that the BIBLE just pretends not to notice. the monks at the monastry in response to his pleas let him examine several manuscripts that they had been unable to decipher anyway. this is when he stumbled on the HOLY GRAIL!!!!
even though he could read SANSKRIT, the incantations, were not followed by instructions, he had to work out the method of using the energies for healing purposes on his own.he took the information with him, back to JAPAN, and proceeded, to meditate for 21 days on a mountain, when atlast the technique finally dawned upon him, this is the REIKI doctrine that is taught by REIKI masters

as for the religion versus spiritual question,

CHRIST was definitely a REIKI master of the highest caliber. read " JESUS LIVED IN INDIA " to see how the 2 stories fit like a glove, he was a definite HEALER, and all instances of miraculous healing in the BIBLE are true.read the LOTUS SUTRA in the BUDDHIST DOCTRINE, he was initiated into healing by the buddhist monks he congregated with in INDIA.
THE REIKI energy is neither CHRISTIAN nor BUDDHIST, the energy that flows through the healer flows from his or her HIGHER SELF and not from anywhere else.
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ab-hinduism&nav=messages&lgnF=y&msg=1417.1

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 29, 2008 09:59 AM              Reply w/Quote

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 29, 2008 10:04 AM              Reply w/Quote
There's also some interesting information about this in the "Ring of Power" documentary I posted.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 29, 2008 10:13 AM              Reply w/Quote
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Issa taught that men should not strive to behold the Eternal Spirit with one's own eyes but to feel it with the heart, and to become a pure and worthy soul....


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At this time, an old woman approached the crowd, but was pushed back. Then Issa said, "Reverence Woman, mother of the universe,' in her lies the truth of creation. She is the foundation of all that is good and beautiful. She is the source of life and death. Upon her depends the existence of man, because she is the sustenance of his labors. She gives birth to you in travail, she watches over your growth. Bless her. Honor her. Defend her. Love your wives and honor them, because tomorrow they shall be mothers, and later-progenitors of a whole race. Their love ennobles man, soothes the embittered heart and tames the beast. Wife and mother-they are the adornments of the universe."

"As light divides itself from darkness, so does woman possess the gift to divide in man good intent from the thought of evil. Your best thoughts must belong to woman. Gather from them your moral strength, which you must possess to sustain your near ones. Do not humiliate her, for therein you will humiliate yourselves. And all which you will do to mother, to wife, to widow or to another woman in sorrow-that shall you also do for the Spirit."



Thank you for posting this, venusdeindua.

These words are so beautiful. I can feel something pure.

It feels like food for the soul.

LOL. "Imagine" is playing on my computer right now too.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 29, 2008 10:17 AM              Reply w/Quote
The Holy Grail....Reiki....Wow.....

I have seen a few websites, however, claiming that Reiki does not need to be passed on from one student to another for a great sum of money; that it can be self-taught?

It is nice to learn from a teacher, I guess, because it helps. But if the founder of Reiki was self taught, then it makes sense others can be self taught just the same.

I do wonder whether all forms of spiritual healing, aura healing, etc, are the same....from the same source.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 29, 2008 10:45 AM              Reply w/Quote
Thats not the beginning of the end
Thats the return to yourself
The return to innocence.

Love - devotion
Feeling - emotion
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Love - devotion
Feeling - emotion
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Don't be afraid to be weak
Don't be too proud to be strong
Just look into your heart my friend
That will be the return to yourself
The return to innocence
.
If you want, then start to laugh
If you must, then start to cry
Be yourself don't hide
Just believe in destiny
.
Don't care what people say
Just follow your own way
Don't give up and use the chance
To return to innocence
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Thats not the beginning of the end
Thats the return to yourself
The return to innocence
.
Don't care what people say
Follow just your own way
Follow just your own way
Don't give up, don't give up
To return, to return to innocence.
If you want then laugh
If you must then cry
Be yourself don't hide
Just believe in destiny.

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26taurus
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posted April 29, 2008 02:07 PM              Reply w/Quote
Thank, Venus. I've heard He lived in India too. Will have to catch up reading this later...

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posted April 29, 2008 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien        Reply w/Quote
i didn't read the whole thing (sorry, a bit too lazy... ), but i heard there's even a grave of jesus in japan, woa.

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posted April 29, 2008 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu        Reply w/Quote
Lexx has an interesting book coming on that subject.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 29, 2008 03:29 PM              Reply w/Quote
quote:
Lexx has an interesting book coming on that subject.

Cool!

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venusdeindia
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posted April 30, 2008 04:24 AM              Reply w/Quote
glad no one is jumping to Verbal attacks HIHIHI... though that was likely

lechien
the grave is not in Japan, but Kashmir... Natgeo did a special documentary but i dont know , have any of seen it ?

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posted November 13, 2008 10:50 AM              Reply w/Quote
Bump

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posted February 01, 2009 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
Great info.

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LTT said:
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I have seen a few websites, however, claiming that Reiki does not need to be passed on from one student to another for a great sum of money; that it can be self-taught?
Not self taught as much as self awakened or initiated.
In fact I feel that it cannot be passed from one person to another and such a concept is a money making scam.
I had an experience with a Reiki Master.
She said I was a natural, more skilled than she was. Then she said I needed to get an attunement from her to open my channels and so forth. She said she desperately wanted me to work on healing her, and to receive the sacred symbols, but I needed to pay her $$$ to show I was serious about it.
Well I went into meditation alone and had a very enlightening amazing experience!
I knew nothing about Reiki or its history but when I came out of my trance state. I knew so much about it! The Reiki Master was shocked when I told her about it.
Then she asked if she could "open" me.
She placed her hands on either side of my head and said she was going to open my channels, and instead I simply opened.
The next thing I know is that she began shaking and trembling and sobbing...with a kind of strange joy.
OMG! OMG! she kept saying and hugged me over and over as she continued to sob. My fiance walked in upon hearing her and we both held her. We then both worked on her. No $$$ mentioned by her that time or ever again. Her life changed dramatically after that.
It is way to personal to post what she "saw"...but it was for all 3 of us quite an amazing experience!

As to my book.
Almost finished.
However it may be published under a pseudonym to protect the privacy of myself and others involved in "writing" it.

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In the Book of Luke when Jesus is asked "where wilt thou that we prepare?" concerning the Kingdom of the New Age of Jesus's return, Jesus says to follow a man "bearing a pitcher of water" into the house he enters. In Astrology, a man bearing a pitcher of water symbolizes the coming of the Age of Aquarius and is known as "the water bearer". In Astrology, the Age of Aquarius comes directly after the Age of Pisces.

Ages are believed by some to affect mankind. For Aquarius (also called "the Water bearer"), it is reported we have already been feeling influences - titled Orb of influence (the last ten degrees backwards of the Age of Pisces) - in the accelerated individual, social, cultural, scientific and technological development and globalization through the 20th century. This view is consistent with the popular notion of the New Age movement that regards current times as the "dawning of the Aquarian Age".

On the other hand, the Aquarian Age is thought to bring with it an era of universal brotherhood rooted in reason where it will be possible to solve social problems in a manner equitable to all and with greater opportunity for intellectual and spiritual improvement, since Aquarius is an airy, scientific, and intellectual sign and its ruler planet, Uranus, is associated with intuition (knowledge above reason) and direct perceptions of the heart; and on the mundane level it rules electricity and technology. It is generally described by astrologers that in the Age of Aquarius there will be a blending of religion and science to such a degree that a religious science and a scientific religion will be formed.

Eastern astrology associates the Age of Pisces with the yin; i.e., spirituality and intuition. Aquarius, on the other hand represents the yang, with its emphasis on rationality and high technology.


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posted February 24, 2009 04:57 AM              Reply w/Quote
At Lexx's Reiki experience

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I experience such things from time to time.
In July 2007 I experienced this:
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Something happened to me a few hours ago.
I experienced what can only be described as a whole body strong electrical shock.
I was not touching anything but it went through me and I felt gripped in a powerful surge of electric waves.
My arms flew wide and I found myself laughing once it passed.
No, I was not high or drunk or on any meds.
I was standing, just standing in my hallway touching nothing.
I have been asking for another epiphany!
I felt as though I was lifted off the floor for those moments and things got strangely rainbow-like, like being in a prism.
I suspect more is coming!
You know, God has a sense of humour! Each time when such things happen to me, it is always followed by
laughter of the soul-mind freeing kind!

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