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Topic: Anything You Wanted To Know About The Bible But Were Afraid To Ask
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 01:11 PM
  
The reason some people cannot see the simplicity of the Bible is hatred of the Jews. People can be very jealous of Jewish people. However, they do not understand what "chosen" means.
The Jews were chosen for a purpose in God's plan. They were given great gifts,but had great responsibility. When they disobeyed, great sorrow fell on them.
Believe me, it would be a lot easier to be a WASP.However, that being sad, the Bible will not open up to people who dislike Israel and the Jewish people. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Merely wish to point out that in the Islamic tradition, Abraham was to sacrifice Ishmael, not Issac, which is a huge point in all of this as then the OT Covenant is based on untruth.
The Islamic tradition is not the Bible. I may have a tradition to make my own book about God and call it Ami's tradition. It may be that, but it is not the Bible.
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katatonic
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posted August 14, 2012 05:22 PM
i would appreciate you not accusing people who don't swallow israel the way you do of being jew haters, ami.the two are not synonymous, and i have repeatedly pointed out to you that many jews - and many organizations of jews - are anti israel and/or her policies. they are still jews, many of them rabbis. i do have a problem with certain types of jews, christians, muslims and any other religions WHO LOOK DOWN THEIR NOSES ON OTHERS outside their narrow circles. the fact is that MOST religions consider THEIR people to be the chosen ones, so IMO this is just so much ego-posturing by the leaders (who would be looked up to) and the followers (who need convincing that their religion is best). the truth is more that, while the jewish may have been chosen for certain things, they are not THE chosen people. being a WASP also carries responsibility. as does being buddhist. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted August 14, 2012 05:40 PM
Amen kat. Politics, heritage and Faith are three horses of a different color.With a narrow view and emotional investment in politics, heritage and Bible beliefs, it preclides any reasonable separation of the issues  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 05:46 PM
Well, I said some things I have wanted to say to you all. I am glad I had the opportunity. Now, I can move on.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 06:33 PM
People are free to ask any questions, if they want. Anything goes from within the pages of the Bible, only, not extra- biblical books.------------------
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katatonic
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posted August 15, 2012 03:39 PM
well when i asked for a prophecy that has been fulfilled, i was thinking more along lines of historical events. jesus' "messiahood" is challenged by many of different faiths, including the jewish faith...damascus being reduced to rubble would be impressive, though as i pointed out, right about now that would be a fair bet; but it still hasn't manifested. is there something else you can pinpoint as having been predicted in the bible that HAS happened and is common knowledge - ie not a matter of faith? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
well when i asked for a prophecy that has been fulfilled, i was thinking more along lines of historical events. jesus' "messiahood" is challenged by many of different faiths, including the jewish faith...damascus being reduced to rubble would be impressive, though as i pointed out, right about now that would be a fair bet; but it still hasn't manifested. is there something else you can pinpoint as having been predicted in the bible that HAS happened and is common knowledge - ie not a matter of faith?
Yes I can Kat
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Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 04:33 PM
Micah 5:2
Predicted the Ruler of Israel who has always existed will come forth
from Bethlehem Ephrathah. Jesus was born in Bethlehem.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 04:39 PM
There are many, many specific propehcies. That is how I, a Jewish person, came to believe in Jesus. As you know, it is a very forbidden thing for Jew to believe in Jesus. I studied prophecy for 3 years before I accepted Jesus.------------------
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shura
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posted August 15, 2012 05:00 PM
Kat's looking for an historical event, Ami. Jesus' very existence is debatable. Claiming he was the "ruler of Israel" is even more of a stretch.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
Kat's looking for an historical event, Ami. Jesus' very existence is debatable. Claiming he was the "ruler of Israel" is even more of a stretch.
All well educated people accept accept Jesus as a historical figure. That comment befits someone who lives in a cave  ------------------
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posted August 15, 2012 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
All well educated people accept accept Jesus as a historical figure. That comment befits someone who lives in a cave
That's a great example of how a Moderator should interact with members, Ami.  You might like to act like a dumb cutsey toddler and end up winning a few people over that way, but I know youre an adult and that you know better. And Moderator or not, I'd like to see some more maturity from you. I'm sure others would too. Set an example and quit with the stupid annoying terrible oneliners. You arent witty. The cutesy child act is getting a bit old. And never was cute. If you want people to take what you are saying seriously, why not talk like an adult and engage more with people and answer them respectfully? Grow up. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 05:54 PM
T If you don't appreciate my sense of humor, I am sorry to hear that but I am a person with a great sense of humor  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 05:57 PM
Anyhoo Y'all, lets get back to Kat's important question. It was very substantive and I hate to have it blurred by these silly comments. Kat, I am waiting for your response and will ignore all others until them.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 06:13 PM
I am tired of all the little nasties. Lets keep it on topic, please. We are supposed to be a spiritual group of people  IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted August 15, 2012 06:16 PM
shura:
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Kat's looking for an historical event, Ami. Jesus' very existence is debatable. Claiming he was the "ruler of Israel" is even more of a stretch.
In history there is little that is certain but there is also a level of scepticism that makes the task of the historian impossible. Furthermore, the thesis that Jesus never existed requires selective scepticism about which sources are reliable and how others are interpreted. A little research shows there are well educated people who doubt the phenomenon called Jesus the Christ. I have Faith he existed before and after his physical death and some would call me poorly educated for that belief. ------------------
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posted August 15, 2012 06:18 PM
We're tired of your nastiness too Ami. Very tired of it. Don't exclude yourself out of that comment.And that's why I didnt answer after your last replies (as much as I almost wanted to) because I'm not a "nasty". Continue on with how youve been behaving. I'll continue to read and watch from the sideilnes. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted August 15, 2012 06:28 PM
i believe jesus existed too, though i understand where intellectuals find this debatable. whether he was "king of israel" is certainly debatable, and whether he was born in bethlehem, i think also.SHURA hit the nail on the head. i mean events accepted by history as FACT, excluding jesus. along the lines of damascus being reduced to rubble, but ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED. i am not trying to bait anyone here. we all have different knowledge and beliefs. we can measure whether damascus is or is not completely destroyed...so far not! but as i said, it could well happen in the near future. the fact that MOST cities disappear into rubble at some point is not the issue right now. sorry ami, but prophecies fulfilled within the pages of the bible, unless confirmed fact, are not what i was asking about. for instance, the eruption of vesuvius...the invention of the airplane, anything that has been recorded and is known, that was also prophecized in the bible. but not along the lines of phillippe II's (i think!) death in a joust. human individuals are so susceptible to suggestion... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 06:29 PM
Anyhoo, Guys
Lets have a real talk about the issues, without sniping. That goes for all of us
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Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
i believe jesus existed too, though i understand where intellectuals find this debatable. whether he was "king of israel" is certainly debatable, and whether he was born in bethlehem, i think also.SHURA hit the nail on the head. i mean events accepted by history as FACT, excluding jesus. along the lines of damascus being reduced to rubble, but ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED. we can measure whether damascus is or is not completely destroyed...so far not! but as i said, it could well happen in the near future. the fact that MOST cities disappear into rubble at some point is not the issue right now. sorry ami, but prophecies fulfilled within the pages of the bible, unless confirmed fact, are not what i was asking about. for instance, the eruption of vesuvius...the invention of the airplane, anything that has been recorded and is known, that was also prophecized in the bible.
Kat
You need to go to history writings for that time. Josephus was a historian who did not believe in Jesus. You need to study Jesus as a historical figure. Google it and you should find that it is a readily accepted fact by everyone. I don't know any person who questions this. ------------------
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shura
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posted August 15, 2012 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
All well educated people accept accept Jesus as a historical figure.
I'll alert Hector Avalos asap. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 15, 2012 06:41 PM
In my entire life, growing up Jewish, going to college, grad school and living in a community of diverse people, I have never met anyone who thought Jesus did not exist.Most did not believe He was God, but I have never met a person who thought He did not exist  ------------------
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shura
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posted August 15, 2012 06:57 PM
ah. well if you haven't met them, ami, surely they do not existIP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted August 15, 2012 07:07 PM
I may beg to disagree with Hector but I will not deny he is well educated
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He has a Doctor of Philosophy in Hebrew Bible and Near Eastern Studies from Harvard University (1991), a Master of Theological Studies from Harvard Divinity School (1985), and a Bachelor of Arts in Anthropology from the University of Arizona in 1982. He is a former Pentecostal preacher and child evangelist.
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