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Topic: Anything You Wanted To Know About The Bible But Were Afraid To Ask
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Ami Anne
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posted August 12, 2012 11:51 AM
  
This is from a Born Again Bible perspective. This will be my contribution to DD. If people have questions, please ask.
I don't want to debate, if the Bible is true, as I think it is. If no one cares to ask questions, that is fine. I offered  ------------------
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katatonic
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posted August 12, 2012 07:43 PM
as i said on the other thread i would like an example or a few of bible prophecies that have been proven true. not that WILL be proven, but that have come to pass.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 12, 2012 08:37 PM
Ok
Do this.
I trust you will do this, honestly. Go to Isiah 53. Read it. Who is it? How sure are you?
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juniperb
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posted August 13, 2012 08:42 AM
In the old testament, there are certain writings by people popularly
called "The Prophets". These include people such as Daniel and
Isaiah. In these writings of the Prophets, some things had come to
pass and some things had still not come to pass at the time of Jesus
. Some things have STILL not come to pass up to the present day
which is the foundation for all popular "prophecy" books on the
market. The three things that are relevant to this discussion are
summarized in the passage: John chapter 1 verses 19-
25. Verse 25 summarizes it nicely by listing "Christ", "Elias", and
the/that "Prophet". At the time of Christ, the Jews knew that (at
least) three prophecies from their own Prophets had not yet come to
pass.
They were expecting the Messiah (the anointed one, the King
and Priest, Christ in Greek), they were expecting Elias (who did not
die but was taken up by God), and they were expecting the "Prophet"
(who Moses prophesied would come in Deuteronomy 18:15 through 19).
Please note that these are THREE SEPARATE PROPHACIES about THREE
SEPARATE PEOPLE.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 13, 2012 08:48 AM
Yes, the prophecies can get complicated. There is double fufillment, too, when things happen twice.
That is why I talked about Damascus being rubble, as it will only happen once.
Prophecy is a study. It can be figured out but one must apply oneself.
One must get a scholarly kind of teacher, too. That is why Arnold is my favorite. He goes into the Hebrew and Greek words, which are essential as shades of meaning change everything.However, Isiah 53 is quite clear to anyone who is not blinded. To those who are, they will come up with all manner of excuses. However, that is what is meant by blindness. Interestingly, Isiah 53 is skipped over in the Jewish synagogue. They don't read it during the Temple service. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 13, 2012 08:52 AM
If you are new to Prophecy, you have to start with simple ones. This can be done, as there are many which are crystal clear, to the eye which is not blinded. To that person, they won't see it, no matter how clear it is.Isiah 53 would be under the category of a clear one. ------------------
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katatonic
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posted August 13, 2012 06:28 PM
well you have set this one before me before, so i know that you believe it foresees jesus. perhaps it does, perhaps jesus' followers jumped on events in his life to interpret it that way, and therefore decided he was the messiah.we do not know if there were other, less famous, men who followed paths that could be equally seen as fulfilling this vision... however as i mentioned there have been numerous prophecies made down through the ages which were not in the bible. cassandra was a pretty strong seer, joan of arc certainly was convinced by her visions, just to name two. and of course there is nostradamus though i find most interpretations of quatrains to be about certain events that came to pass to be stretching somewhat. which doesn't mean prophecy is invalid, nor that the bible doesn't hold prophetic power. however once a prophecy is made, it has a way of self-fulfilling... as in the famous prediction of death for the french king on a certain date in a joust and by a certain kind of wound. said king shrugged this off and determined to prove himself above such "guff" and proceeded to his death on schedule. now, was the astrologer visionary? or did he plant the seed of death by lance in the subconscious of monsieur le roi which helped it to transpire? i don't know about you but i NEVER predict nasty events for clients even if i think i see them, since i do not want to bring about "fulfillment" of same. one could say that revelation might give them a chance to prepare AGAINST living out disaster, but i tend to think that the anxiety produced is more likely to BRING ABOUT the trouble. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 13, 2012 07:05 PM
If you can't see this is Jesus, you are blinded, imo.
You would have to pray for God to lift the blinders, if you want to do that.
If not, I don't think any prophecy will convince you.------------------
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Padre35
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posted August 13, 2012 10:40 PM
Well, if Prophets are the subject, it should be pointed out that they were a sort of class of clergy in old Israel, in fact Elisha started a school to train prophets.As for Prophecy itself, my questions are: -when a prophecy has been fulfilled, should it be referenced as yet to happen? -Prophecy is listed a as a gift of the spirit, is this still true? IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted August 13, 2012 11:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
well you have set this one before me before, so i know that you believe it foresees jesus. perhaps it does, perhaps jesus' followers jumped on events in his life to interpret it that way, and therefore decided he was the messiah.we do not know if there were other, less famous, men who followed paths that could be equally seen as fulfilling this vision... however as i mentioned there have been numerous prophecies made down through the ages which were not in the bible. cassandra was a pretty strong seer, joan of arc certainly was convinced by her visions, just to name two. and of course there is nostradamus though i find most interpretations of quatrains to be about certain events that came to pass to be stretching somewhat. which doesn't mean prophecy is invalid, nor that the bible doesn't hold prophetic power. however once a prophecy is made, it has a way of self-fulfilling... as in the famous prediction of death for the french king on a certain date in a joust and by a certain kind of wound. said king shrugged this off and determined to prove himself above such "guff" and proceeded to his death on schedule. now, was the astrologer visionary? or did he plant the seed of death by lance in the subconscious of monsieur le roi which helped it to transpire? i don't know about you but i NEVER predict nasty events for clients even if i think i see them, since i do not want to bring about "fulfillment" of same. one could say that revelation might give them a chance to prepare AGAINST living out disaster, but i tend to think that the anxiety produced is more likely to BRING ABOUT the trouble.
 I know you've just been called "blinded" by the OP and I wanted to say that one has only to read your posts to know that you are a deep thinker. The post above is a perfect example!! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Well, if Prophets are the subject, it should be pointed out that they were a sort of class of clergy in old Israel, in fact Elisha started a school to train prophets.As for Prophecy itself, my questions are: -when a prophecy has been fulfilled, should it be referenced as yet to happen? -Prophecy is listed a as a gift of the spirit, is this still true?
OK, here is the thing about Prophecy. It is a study,as is Astrology. It is not gumball work.
A person must apply himself to reap it's rewards.
There are some which are very straight forward BUT not to the blinded eye. The blinded eye is spiritual not intellectual. You have to understand that, first of all. Most Jews are blinded to the prophecies as Israel has a partial blindness in this current age. This is the Age of Grace where God is reaching out to the Gentiles, as a group.
Prior to this, remember the Gentiles were called dogs? That is because in the prior Age, God was reaching out to the Jews. After the Age of Grace, when we get to the times of the book of Revelation, God will reach back to the Jews and all Israel will be saved.
I am giving you 15 years worth of study.
I can lead you, but you must study for yourself.
However, the short answer is that some prophecy is complicated as it has double and triple fufilment. In these cases,the same prophecy is fufiled several times over 1000's of years. An example could be a dictator kind of figure who comes against Israel many times in her history. However, a great deal prophecy is very simple such as Isiah 53.
If a person cannot see Isiah 53 is Jesus, he is blinded.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Well, if Prophets are the subject, it should be pointed out that they were a sort of class of clergy in old Israel, in fact Elisha started a school to train prophets.As for Prophecy itself, my questions are: -when a prophecy has been fulfilled, should it be referenced as yet to happen? -Prophecy is listed a as a gift of the spirit, is this still true?
Well, there are Gifts of the Spirit. I am not sure how Prophecy would work in current times as the Bible outlines what will happen in the world, as far as current events, so you don't need this kind of prophecy, as of now.
The Holy Spirit allows people to see the future. There is a Bible verse saying "you can know things which will happen"
I have this. I call myself a psychic to make it easier for people who don't understand, but it is this.
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Padre35
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posted August 14, 2012 08:08 AM
Here is one of the issues with prophecy, most do not realize there was a 40 yr period of a dual covenant after Christ's resurrection.Meaning, mankind then had direct grace available to us through Christ, however the Temple in Jerusalem still functioned and the daily sacrifices ground on until the Roman seige and destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Would seem to be a problem, however Isaiah chp 66 states that this is not the case, the sacrifices at the Temple were then seen as abomination. Yet Revelations speaks of a rebuilt Temple. BUT Isaiah speaks of God not living in Temples built by men's hands, which would seem to be something of a conflict. I state that not as an invitation to debate the truth or accuracy of such predictions, more as asking for an explanation from your understanding of the differences. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Here is one of the issues with prophecy, most do not realize there was a 40 yr period of a dual covenant after Christ's resurrection.Meaning, mankind then had direct grace available to us through Christ, however the Temple in Jerusalem still functioned and the daily sacrifices ground on until the Roman seige and destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Would seem to be a problem, however Isaiah chp 66 states that this is not the case, the sacrifices at the Temple were then seen as abomination. Yet Revelations speaks of a rebuilt Temple. BUT Isaiah speaks of God not living in Temples built by men's hands, which would seem to be something of a conflict. I state that not as an invitation to debate the truth or accuracy of such predictions, more as asking for an explanation from your understanding of the differences.
Well, I am going out today and actually, I would rather start at an easier point, just for ease of my mind, as I have not studied Prophecy for 5 years. This is all from memory.
However, just a brief answer. God lived in the Temple. After Jesus died, the veil was "cut" and God no longer lived there, as God could now be in our own spirits, when we accepted Jesus. Jesus died so man would not be separate from God, anymore. That is what the whole Bible is about from the first word to the last.
If you try to get me to go into exquisite detail that I have not studied for many years, it will be counterproductive.
I am here to help, not to be someone you try to twist, so that you look like you win.
There is no point in that. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 08:24 AM
In the Age of Grace. Each person can be a temple for Jesus. That is the larger point. God can now be inside each person, not in a building such as a Temple.
This was why Jesus came to earth. Lets simplify it, as all the details would need to be studied on a site such as Arnold Fructenbaum.
He could answer every single question in exquisite detail for you. I don't have every detail at my disposal, just the general themes.
No one can retain every detail like that, so lets look at a more global picture, for this discussion.------------------
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posted August 14, 2012 08:52 AM
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No one can retain every detail like that, so lets look at a more global picture, for this discussion.
How do Born Again (Christians) address the Prophesy in the OT of the comming of Mohammad? ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 08:59 AM
Where is Mohammud in the OT?------------------
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posted August 14, 2012 09:01 AM
I am just going to say. I am not here to look smart. I am not here to win an argument and prove I am smarter than other people. I am here to try to convey what I know to people who have a sincere interest. I will lead you to sites where you can get info that I don't know, such as details. I don't know it all. I don't know every detail. No layman could------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
How do Born Again (Christians) address the Prophesy in the OT of the comming of Mohammad?
Let me say this before I go out. NO WAY is Mohammad in the OT,only as a false god, perhaps, in the series of false gods. The OT is the struggle between the false gods and the true God. Israel is disobedient. God has to keep chastising them,as they want to follow false gods.
Mohammad is a false god,as are Baal and all the others.
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posted August 14, 2012 09:12 AM
ami anne: quote:
Where is Mohammud in the OT?
According to Muslems, there are quite a few Prophesies and they hold merit. They start with : Genesis 21:13,18 – God promises to make Ishmael a great nation. Ishmael is the half brother of Isaac, the father of the Jews. Ishmael is the great grandfather of Muhammad, and, according to tradition, is the ancestor of Arab people.
(there are many more) I`m simply addressing the ability of Bibical interpretation to belong to many religions. The Muslems adhere to the OT same as Jews and Christians so do they have a legitimate claim to the Prophesey? ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 09:18 AM
Well Ishamael is one of Abraham's sons and there is a line of Arab people, but there is no Mohammad.
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posted August 14, 2012 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well Ishamael is one of Abraham's sons and there is a line of Arab people, but there is no Mohammad.
If Mohammad descended from Ishmael, how can he cease to exist? See how trickey Bible interpretation is and why NO single religion can lay claim to it`s absolute Prophesey? The Mormons lay claim to OT Prophesey as well as The Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. Candidly, interpretation is all it is and it puts smoke, mirrors and veils over the Love of God and the Christ  I love the Bible and read it often for Inspiration and Guidance. It is an Inspired,( some literal/historical , most(?) Mystical) text and only enrichs ones lifes experience. Regardless of o ne`s religious affliliation.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I will depart here and let you explain the BA view as I explained all I intended 
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Padre35
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posted August 14, 2012 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, I am going out today and actually, I would rather start at an easier point, just for ease of my mind, as I have not studied Prophecy for 5 years. This is all from memory.However, just a brief answer. God lived in the Temple. After Jesus died, the veil was "cut" and God no longer lived there, as God could now be in our own spirits, when we accepted Jesus. Jesus died so man would not be separate from God, anymore. That is what the whole Bible is about from the first word to the last.
If you try to get me to go into exquisite detail that I have not studied for many years, it will be counterproductive.
I am here to help, not to be someone you try to twist, so that you look like you win.
There is no point in that.
"Try to twist to look like you win" Pardon me, but what is that supposed to mean?
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Padre35
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posted August 14, 2012 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
If Mohammad descended from Ishmael, how can he cease to exist?See how trickey Bible interpretation is and why NO single religion can lay claim to it`s absolute Prophesey? The Mormons lay claim to OT Prophesey as well as The Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. Candidly, interpretation is all it is and it puts smoke, mirrors and veils over the Love of God and the Christ I love the Bible and read it often for Inspiration and Guidance. It is an Inspired,( some literal/historical , most(?) Mystical) text and only enrichs ones lifes experience. Regardless of o ne`s religious affliliation.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I will depart here and let you explain the BA view as I explained all I intended
Merely wish to point out that in the Islamic tradition, Abraham was to sacrifice Ishmael, not Issac, which is a huge point in all of this as then the OT Covenant is based on untruth.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2012 01:09 PM
OK Juni
I did not mean that Mohammad did not exist, as a person. Abe Lincoln existed as a person. Bill Clinton existed as a person. I exist, as a person, but none of these people are in the Bible.
The Bible is a clear and simple book. It is the story of Gods love for man. It is the story of mans separation from God, in the Garden of Eden. The rest of the book is about God's drawing man back to Him, through Jesus.
The book hangs together from the first word to the last. Nothing contradicts. Nothing does not fit.------------------
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