posted September 18, 2012 04:36 PM            

We discussed this at my church. Frankly, if Jesus knew what was going to happen to him, it would have been a not-so-cool thing to do--to go and get married and leave them behind like that, and also to devote so much time to his ministry so as to have little time to devote to a family. Plus, there is no indication in the Bible that he married. There was more to our discussion than that, but in summation, we basically concluded that we did not feel it would be in keeping with his nature and personality as we understood it, and also figured that his main mission would have been at the forefront of his life, not marriage/family.

posted September 18, 2012 06:01 PM            

To me, they are not accurate.

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posted September 18, 2012 07:02 PM            

And in case the "if he existed" caught your attention then yeah, doubts have been raised over it as explained here:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

My own inclination is to think some historical figure (grossly distorted and exaggerated in the Bible) existed for multiple reasons, but one guy who introduced me to the idea that Jesus may have not even existed historically is a very clear, rational thinker and explained his reasoning for accepting this idea as likely well enough that I now consider the possibility that the popular image of Jesus is not only a distortion but a complete fiction no more real than Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan, or Hercules. Of course "consider" does not equal "accept."

posted September 18, 2012 07:37 PM            

Quest for the historical Jesus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_Historical_Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Strauss#Works

(The Life of Jesus, Critically Examined)

David Friedrich Strauss (or Strauß) (January 27, 1808 – February 8, 1874) was a German theologian and writer. He scandalized Christian Europe with his portrayal of the "historical Jesus", whose divine nature he denied. His work was connected to the Tübingen School, which revolutionized study of the New Testament, early Christianity, and ancient religions. Strauss was a pioneer in the historical investigation of Jesus.

Robert M Price http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Price
The Christ-Myth Theory And Its Problems

The Christ-Myth theory ... "Worse Than Atheism"? New Testament scholar Robert M. Price, one of America's leading authorities on the Bible, has assembled in his book evidence that shows that almost the entire "biography of Jesus" is a conscious reworking of earlier literature.It is one thing to say "There are no gods" or "Jesus was not a god, just a man." It is quite another thing to say "Jesus of Nazareth never existed at all" or that "Christ is a myth." But scholars have been saying exactly that since at least 1793 when the Enlightenment scholar Charles Dupuis began to publish his 13-volume Origine de Tous les Cultes, ou Religion Universelle, which elucidated the astral origins not only of Christianity but of other ancient religions as well.

Anyhow, there could still have been a man/men that the myth was clothed around, but ignoring the many other aspects is just intellectually dishonest.

I agree with Pixie, its very likely he was married, simply as a matter of social construct as was just the standard practice, even if he was gay, having children was a huge issue as regards the various inheritance laws. He still could have had his flings at the bath house in Sepphoris (that place rocked!) as really that whole area was deeply Hellenized!

Tzippori, also known as Sepphoris, Dioceserea and Saffuriya is located in the central Galilee region, 6 kilometers north-northwest of Nazareth, in modern-day Israel.

My money is on him being a kind of wild Sex Guru and being a big hit with the ladies and men!

Yea baby, that's my kind of divine being!

**Deep Sigh**

posted September 18, 2012 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Mary Magdalene is his twin flame and I'm certain that's who he was talking about

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@Athene: Ive shown you over on UC how its highly unlikely she was his spiritual twin flame due to the Gospel of Thomas situation... tut tut lol

Your a tough one to crack, or to get to do some good old rational/critical research

posted September 18, 2012 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I personally don't believe so.

We discussed this at my church. Frankly, if Jesus knew what was going to happen to him, it would have been a not-so-cool thing to do--to go and get married and leave them behind like that, and also to devote so much time to his ministry so as to have little time to devote to a family. Plus, there is no indication in the Bible that he married. There was more to our discussion than that, but in summation, we basically concluded that we did not feel it would be in keeping with his nature and personality as we understood it, and also figured that his main mission would have been at the forefront of his life, not marriage/family.

However, that's just me. It's an interesting question.

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The bible isn't the whole truth.. Being with your twin flame is a very divine thing. It doesn't just mean 'making a family'. When you are with your twin flame you have agreed to serve humanity because they are literally the other half of your soul in embodiment. So when this completion happens in this dimension you are able to give to others which is what he did on a profound level.

The holy spirit is the twin flames in physical manifestation. When they come together they give birth to the christ consciousness. That's why many people are looking for true love. They long to feel this completion.

posted September 18, 2012 07:51 PM            

Oh yeah what did you say again? Thomas his brother is his twin flame..? lol..

Do you know anything about Mother/Father God at all? I don't need to do any research my friend. My knowledge comes from within. I researched long ago and that's why I am where I am today. But you are obviously still searching for this completeion. Here's to hoping you find it.

posted September 18, 2012 08:19 PM            

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My knowledge comes from within. I researched long ago and that's why I am where I am today

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With that attitude the only person you are ever going to convince of your theories is yourself, since you lack any rational ideology or physical evidence... I actually take the time to try and step by step show someone how a theory has a basis in reality, which takes alot of effort and patience on my part...

I find your approach of just spewing theory, often without a shred of evidence and asking people to simply accept it is counter productive, but do as you please...

posted September 18, 2012 08:40 PM            

Beyond the doctrine of ones church, does it really matter ? I finally answered no. It doesn`t change his Teachings or the Christ Consciousness one iota. The Christ is the Christ plus or minus a wife.

Course, just my onion

posted September 18, 2012 10:10 PM            

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It doesn`t change his Teachings or the Christ Consciousness one iota

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What teachings exactly do you consider to be directly from the mouth of Jesus Christ?

Because even if it doesnt matter that he specifically said them, then why should we deify that particular man?

Aseops fables have often have more esoteric and common sense knowledge than the Synoptic Gospels, yet to extract such knowledge requires no belief in any kind of a God Man, or religious pomp.

All that I find, just gets in the way and places the emphasis and understanding on one man we must aspire too, yet as many have put forward, an individual that probably never existed...

Which leaves one aspiring to be what exactly? Like a Myth... a dieing and rising God such as the Egyptian Osiris or the Greek Asclepius... Or perhaps the latter day Cthulhu even?

I'm just trying to understand all of this myself

posted September 19, 2012 08:06 AM            

Lets us respect Regardes request and stick with "Was Jesus Married" and we can split the rest of the hairs in UC or elsewhere .

Hmmmm , Lovecraft again, sweet.

posted September 19, 2012 08:56 AM            

Secondly, Jesus was enlightened and on a mission like so many other saints. All are HIS sons (or daughters) and give HIS message and with HIS light ignite so many other souls on this path. They not only guide them but nudge,pull,push,shove,kick them if necessary on this path. They are single, married, separated, walk outs, loved, unloved (as in lovers) etc. As the life's karma demands. NOW HOW THE H**L DOES THAT MATTER? The capital letters are not for shouting but for emphasising.

posted September 19, 2012 12:22 PM            

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Once upon a time , it mattered very much to me. I prefered a celibate Jesus as was taught to all good Protestants.

Beyond the doctrine of ones church, does it really matter ? I finally answered no. It doesn`t change his Teachings or the Christ Consciousness one iota. The Christ is the Christ plus or minus a wife.

Course, just my onion

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Exactly, I do not understand the point of a chaste Christ, but either way, he is who is he is.

posted September 19, 2012 02:51 PM            

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please keep it civil

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I was not being civil? (if such was directed at me). Or am I too assume that critically examining the belief and philosophical structure of Christ is simply a taboo, and a very uncivil act?
(Getting flash backs to my 2nd grade religion class)

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Lets us respect Regardes request and stick with "Was Jesus Married" and we can split the rest of the hairs in UC or elsewhere .

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I'm afraid you do not get to use that as a deflector Juni, the "Was Jesus Married" situation is working from the presupposition that Jesus Christ (God Man) existed, so before you can seriously entertain theorizing the marriage aspect(in an effort to get closer to the truth of the situation), you must first be damn sure you can trace his origin

Otherwise you are simply partaking in as Pixie said: "(Mental Masturbation)", which ofc, there is no problem with that, however to me its like contemplating whether Batman could defeat Yog-Sothoth...

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You peeling my onion Lei?

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Yes I am, but perhaps you do not see that such also peels my own, and forces clearer and and better critical thinking on my part, can you not meet me half way and answer the questions I put forward in my first post to you?

I thought we were all here to learn, and to understand the very truth of every aspect to what we hold divine? Or is there none left brave enough?

@Love&Light:

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He existed. Period. Why period? Because persons going into meditation do see astral bodies of those who existed before on this plane. Also the liberated ones can come and do come in the forms they have taken before to help, encourage and give guidance to those who want to connect to them. How? Read Linda's Star Signs, Ghosts, Gurus and Avatars if you need any logical proof for this

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I did read it, yet her whole theory as you see such seems hinged around some unseen realm that one most blindly accept without a moments critical thinking. I fail to see where logic enters into that equation?

posted September 19, 2012 03:45 PM            

I saw Jesus very clearly in that astral experience. As a human man, with slightly longish dark hair and a very serious and quiet demeanor.

At the time I had this particular experience I was grappling with some atrocities that were happening on a global level. I remember feeling deeply troubled even during the dream/astral experience. So much so that in the dream I felt I'd reached a fever pitch of unrest. It was at this point that Jesus literally walked into my dream and the room I was standing in. What followed was a discussion after a pouring out of the situation and my feelings.

Since I have a very vivid and active dream/astral life, more often than not I tend to believe these experiences more than 3D experiences, because so far, in heeding the messages from the astral experiences, I've not been mistaken.

So FWIW, aside from the scriptures and other writings, from purely my personal experience, I think and feel ... since I definitely felt the presence of his very high Christ consciousness in my dream ... that he did exist. And what's more, I think he still does ... albeit in higher dimensions.

So, what do ya think Lei? Not trying to peel anyone's onions here , but I do love questioning things ... much like you do
And I love your posts BTW!

posted September 19, 2012 04:16 PM            

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I'm afraid you do not get to use that as a deflector Juni, the "Was Jesus Married" situation is working from the presupposition that Jesus Christ (God Man) existed, so before you can seriously entertain theorizing the marriage aspect(in an effort to get closer to the truth of the situation), you must first be damn sure you can trace his origin

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First, I take Randalls question was a literal one hence it is taken on premise Jesus existed.

Therefore, to debate rather or not he actually existed, I suggested we take it to another forum with a wider berth.

Oh, and of course I consider you civil but I do keep an eye on your potential to try to turn the dime on me .

posted September 19, 2012 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Love&Light:
He existed. Period. Why period? Because persons going into meditation do see astral bodies of those who existed before on this plane

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People can see all sorts of thought forms, and interesting enough many who have had visions of Jesus see him as they imagine him...there have even been black Jesus, Far East Asian Jesus (at least once), and of course the blond Jesus (none of which are likely for someone born in Bethlehem at the time, and if he was so exotic looking then I'd be surprised that it was never mentioned).

The thing about the astral plane is it's very responsive to thought and operates on a more dreamlike metaphorical manner. And if say a Buddhist were to meet the very same Christ consciousness then he'd likely see Buddha as he envisioned him instead of Jesus...which isn't to say the force isn't real just that it shows in a form the seeker can understand rather than reflect a literal physical reality.

Back in 2000 I was even taught how to shape elementals into an astral form, though I only did so once. I'd heard Astrid Lindgren was dying and felt sad as her Pippi Longstocking books and movies gave me such joy as a little girl. So having recently learned about shaping and using elementals I tried it with the healing energy of love that would help the author's spirit and (if possible) her dying body (she lived long so I wasn't that determined to make her live longer, I just wanted her experience to be better than it was) and as these elementals are often perceived in vivid dreams I was very firm in making it in the shape of a happy Pippi Longstocking, both so as to not be disturbed if she saw or sensed it and also as gratitude for Pippi.

I don't know if it helped or not (but she did recover and live a couple of more years), or if she had any weird dreams or not, but not long after doing this I was talking to a witch in her office when I saw a teen girl, absolutely real as far as I was concerned, pass her window, and I found her odd as she (who looked about 13) was dressed all in black but had the most infectious smile I could imagine. There was something oddly familiar about her, too, and then I realized it was Pippi Longstocking, perfect in every detail save the clothes and she looked 13. Utterly amazed I ran to the glass door to see her some more but no one was there, so I went out and still no one. She'd vanished, it would be impossible for a regular person to not be seen at all.

I talked to the guy who told me about making elementals and how to do it and he said I'd accidentally made a "tulpa," a specially shaped astral form that could take on physical form (sometimes seen only by its creator, sometimes by everyone) and as they tend to react to subconscious desires of their creator they can be dangerous (even to the one who made them) as well as inconvenient in many ways. (He also explained why she appeared 13 to me and was in black, but that's not important here.) He helped me in a ritual to reabsorb my astral essence from the Pippi tulpa and I felt as though I absorbed a bundle of electricity.

There's more but it's unimportant. Thing is many people claim similar experiences and have shaped astral forms that can be visible to others, rarely even on the material plane. And that's just one person.

posted September 19, 2012 08:23 PM            

Cheers for lessening the load on my meager brain!

@Linda: Very interested to know that if before you ever saw your subjective "Jesus", were you predisposed to such, with an awareness of Christian religion?

As Pixie suggested, that does not count as objective evidence for a "Historical Christ"! Its more akin to the Jungian archetypes which is a completely different matter...

I was in discussion with a few users over on "Spider Line" in the case of using Telepathic messages, channeled message, subjective realities and esoteric knowledge being equivocated as the objective truth as a gross miscalculation. I also put the roots of Theosophy under my own microscope in the same thread lol... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000163.html

Feel free to comment on anything I said over there -nods-

Also, ty for paying even the slightest heed to my posts and liking them lol

@Juni:

The marriage situation is intrinsically linked with the origin aspect, there is no getting away from that, the literal interpretation of him existing does not superseded the underlying evidence of little to no demonstrable proof of his "God Man" existence. (Open to being shown otherwise btw, only rational means acceptable though, astral realm = no good)...

However I can let it bend so far as in, for the sake of eh... "Peeling your Onion/ And my own", and keeping the conversation in one thread that he did exist lol...

Im asking specially in relation to your own understandings!

So allow me to reiterate:

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It doesn`t change his Teachings or the Christ Consciousness one iota"

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What teachings exactly do you consider to be directly from the mouth of Jesus Christ?

Because even if it doesnt matter that he specifically said them, then why should we deify that particular man?

Aseops fables have often have more esoteric and common sense knowledge than the Synoptic Gospels, yet to extract such knowledge requires no belief in any kind of a God Man, or religious pomp.

All that I find, just gets in the way and places the emphasis and understanding on one man we must aspire too, yet as many have put forward, an individual that probably never existed...

Which leaves one aspiring to be what exactly? Like a Myth... a dieing and rising God such as the Egyptian Osiris or the Greek Asclepius... Or perhaps the latter day Cthulhu even?

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As you seem to have studied such for a considerable time, I'm simply curious as your own opinions?