posted September 19, 2012 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Love&Light:
@ athenegoddess: Sorry, i am going off topic here but i wanted to know when you are going to shed some light on a topic in Aquarius Rising about Aquarius Age, as you promised. I think it has slipped your mind, so just a gentle reminder. I didn't know where to catch your attention so i did here. We are waiting......

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posted September 19, 2012 09:09 PM            

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The goal is to become one with your higher self and this higher self is your true self which is all powerful all knowing infinite consciousness.

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Do you feel you yourself have achieved this?

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I have a question.. what led you to this site? I mean astrology doesn't have any 'logical proof' as you put it..

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Causality!

-You edited your post while I was replying bah

posted September 19, 2012 09:32 PM            

Hmm you seem to be a Christ Consciousness sales person, but I remain unconvinced.

A good sales person should have, a plethora of documented evidence as to the existence of their product, its effects and usefulness, yet all you seem to be showing me is just your own subjective inference.

Not buying, sry!

posted September 19, 2012 09:41 PM            

The ironic bit is that most religions that claim to be above ego are themselves victim of it. I believe it's what psychology refers to as the self-serving bias, and it's made of ego.

"I don't understand why they say the self-serving bias is universal. I mean, I see it in other people, but I personally don't have a self-serving bias." --college student commenting on this.

posted September 19, 2012 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I believe LK is a Discordian, and Discordians tend to reject dogma.

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Indeed, coupled with Agnosticism & Cosmicism, I'm always looking for interesting "ism's" to add to my collection

Good points Pix, somehow I just struggle to disagree with you, because your philosophy seems to hover in close proximity to my own...

EDIT - OMFG! That video Pix linked is pure Gold!

Wow!

posted September 19, 2012 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
I did read it, yet her whole theory as you see such seems hinged around some unseen realm that one most blindly accept without a moments critical thinking. I fail to see where logic enters into that equation?

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Are you enlightened? I am sure you are not so do some actual spiritual development first then talk of logic. Because logic is only limited upto the perifery of your awareness. Get more awareness then logic will automatically expand. The rest what you do and pretend to show as brainy discussions are nothing but empty and senseless arguments which get nowhere really. As far as convincing is concerned nobody has to convince persons like you. If you choose to keep your mind closed under the pretence of being 'scientific' there is nothing that anybody can or would do. And why should they. You can continue to be in your ignorance. Only don't try to fool yourself or others into thinking or believing that you have a scientific approach. Because scientific approach begins with OPEN MIND AND FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE - WHICH YOU LACK. So.....you only beat round the bush. Please continue.......

@ PixieJane

Yes astral forms can be created and manipulated. BUT these things don't fool the ones who are in the higher realms. Beyond the Causal bodies, who come from the Source which we call in India as Parabrahma. When they are guiding their disciples and such entities like Jesus come and help them the Higher ones would know if they(Jesus or such others) were just astral projects or manipulated etc. And mind you they take their business pretty seriously so no one can interfere or manipulate the help to their disciple and if someone is that foolish or naive they will know immediately what they are in for. Hence the importance of Sadguru. It is unparalleled. He will guide you to the source through all this. And these interferences are limitless not just in astral but even beyond - till the source. So many hindrances and confusions. Hence Sadgurus are revered here. Anyways, many of them have endorsed Jesus's (as well as others like him) presence then and even now. He has given guidance which a mere astral projection cannot. Only the one who has this light, the power, the knowledge, in short HIS force, can. He definately existed.

posted September 20, 2012 01:37 AM            

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Are you enlightened? I am sure you are not so do some actual spiritual development first then talk of logic.

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I don't know, depends on ones definition:

Grabbing a few examples from the internet:

[Google] & [Audio English.net]
1. Having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook.
2. Spiritually aware.
3. Tending to increase knowledge or dissipate ignorance
4. Enlightening or uplifting so as to encourage intellectual or moral improvement

[Yahoo Answers]
When you are enlightened , you know the difference between what is right and wrong , between what is true and false , and between what is relevant or not . You simply are wiser with more understanding and discernment as well as insight into many things . And this makes you a better educated and learned person who knows more than others . As a result , you are a cut above the rest .

[http://healing.about.com]
This is something I consider Enlightenment to be - and that is to give intellectual or spiritual understanding and to be free of ignorance, false beliefs or prejudice. Able to honor each person as they walk their own path and not infringe our own personal beliefs onto them but to accept what ever form that carries truth for them. - Jean Seymour

I would never claim to be enlightened, but I do try to be all of the above, as I feel we all should and can be!

As regards the spirituality you infer that I lack well... Since I was 4 years old I had an awareness of my previous life's existence, and such has continued to exert itself into my life to this day, where I have substantial recall of MANY of my own lives, although Im sure there are millions left unsynced as of yet, Im a patient person.

Now whether you care to entertain that or not, and I fully accept that its my own subjective reality, except in the parts where it crosses over with other people who share similar experiences in "this" shared reality. Yet I have almost zero desire/ego to even tell people about such unless I feel its really going to help them - Otherwise its cylon-logic all the way baby!

Past Lives, Future Lives

On UC I try to help others who are trying to remember their own past lives and such, but without hammering them with dogmatic Christ Consciousness expositions. I prefer a simple logical methodology of helping another human being to understand abstract concepts clearly. Which I feel allows people to explore those concepts in their own ways without any need for me to insert egotistically esoteric ramblings.

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Get more awareness then logic will automatically expand.

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Perhaps you should improve your logic and then see how your awareness expands?

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The rest what you do and pretend to show as brainy discussions are nothing but empty and senseless arguments which get nowhere really

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If my arguments are truly empty, you should have zero trouble refuting any of them? Or are you just going to continue a verbal attack upon me and not my arguments? Is this the level of your enlightened awareness. Is this the measure of Christ Consciousness? Again as I said to Athene... I aint buying it.

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You can continue to be in your ignorance. Only don't try to fool yourself or others into thinking or believing that you have a scientific approach

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No comment, my posts when dealing with various subjects speak for themselves...

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Because scientific approach begins with OPEN MIND AND FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE - WHICH YOU LACK.

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Rolls eyes...

All I ask of anyone is to clearly demonstrate how their theories have a basis in reality, if one cannot do that, then how can one be sure what is real and what is your imagination/false hoods? Shouldn't the truth be an aspiration for us all? Im asking people like yourself and others to help us all discover that truth together, where we can examine the cold hard empirical real-world facts wherever they may lead!

Excuse me but I need alittle break now...

posted September 20, 2012 09:21 AM            

You are proselytizing in your own way - and doing so in a condescending manner.

It would be like going into the Lexigramming forum and telling people that you think it's all bunk. You shouldn't be surprised that people are not taking what you have to say well, and you may be better served by starting a separate thread on why you believe that Jesus was not a historical person.

I know this post will most likely make no difference, but that's my two cents.

posted September 20, 2012 10:29 AM            

I concur that your interests would be better served with a separate string.

posted September 20, 2012 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
How did this string get on Lindaland Central? And closed there? Weird.

I concur that your interests would be better served with a separate string.

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--I closed it.
--I forgot that you started it. You're a mod (well, super-mod: i.e., webmaster) so I can't close your thread.
--Tried to re-open it. It didn't show the link to re-open. I thought that if I moved it somewhere and then moved it back, it might be open.
--I couldn't move it back so I asked someone else to move it back.
--Tried again and eventually got the re-open to work.

posted September 20, 2012 12:08 PM            

I went ahead and drew up astro charts of the time the info was presented in Rome the other day. I'm not good at the interpretation part of charts, but I did think there were interesting aspects in it. What they suggest, I cannot say. Perhaps just our own collective ideas on the subject of what Jesus' relationships to women were like, or the ideas on this subject of the historian (Prof. King) who presented the papyrus, etc.

(Yes, I think he did exist and was a very important and advanced being, without getting into the metaphysical ideas that there was a more advanced "walk-in" entity in the last month of his life, etc. I can't know about that detail. ...From one angle, some of us who do sense some aspect of our soul having had possible "past lives" at the time of Jesus definitely feel the truth of there having been a remarkable man who impacted us deeply. My sense of how I "know" there was Jesus will of course not satisfy Lei Kuei and the likes, but there you have it.)

The most obvious aspect was asteroid Maria Conjunct asteroid Yeshuhua, at a very close 0.07 degree orb. (We use this regularly as a significator of Jesus in the asteroid arena of LL. Of course, Ye Shuhua was a female Chinese astronomer...but the universe seems to validate the resonance of similar, suggestive words!)

If you are interested, here is the data I offered.

Jesus and "wife" papyrus found. Asteroid study

posted September 20, 2012 12:37 PM            

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You, my friend, are proselytizing in your own way- and doing so in a condescending manner.

It would be like going into the Lexigramming forum and telling people that you think it's all bunk.

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Its unfortunate you used Lexigramming as an example, since I place it the same realms of various divination tools which I find highly, yet subjectively useful

And if I did go in there and call it all bunk, or any other forum I would do so in the hope that its defenders would set me straight, show me how its got a basis in reality, is that not allowed?!

Are we not allowed to challenge one another's belief systems, is this such a taboo? I don't see how else one is suppose to have a meaningful discussion that can result in some real learning.

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Condescending manner.

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Excuse me, did you see the barrage of condescending arguments [I removed the insults reference] I was subjected to from Athene... good lord!

No you didn't, because Athene has removed all her posts! Yet I have the whole thread saved on my comp as I suspected such was going to happen and can re-post them if you don't believe me. I'm sure many others saw her posts.

As regards the initial topic, If you read my first posts you would see I even agree with the fact that the man was married lol!

I did however elude, and leave links and open ended theories has to how it could also be a complete fallacy in the first place.

Yet nobody challenged or tried to refute such, they probably never even checked to see if I was completely lying, and was just playing devils advocate in order to make them think harder about what it is they believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job
I love the book of Job btw [Yes that's right, I actually love a part of the Bible!]

I would think if a person was going to devote their life to a path of spiritual understanding (in this case Christianity), that the roots and truth of it are worth investigating from all angles.

I did not go into the thread, say it was all complete bunk and just walk away without any reason why I felt such...

I simply pointed to some possibilities, I don't pretend to have all the answers and that's why I ask so many questions...

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Faith is seldom a matter of pure logic. People have subjective spiritual experiences that cannot be dismissed as easily as you may like

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While people are free to believe anything they desire, I have denied NOBODY that right! In fact Im absolutely all for the exploration of such, as I think its a wonderful tool for the imagination, art, music, and many wonderful things in this universe! My concern is when such crosses over into the world we all share and live in, Like Religion. Which has a real world stamp of authority over many things, and often tries to restrict other peoples scope of belief!

What I see people doing is this: Using their subjective beliefs and faiths, and thrusting that upon others as the objective truth for everyone else, oh yes and did I mention the often lack of supporting evidence or convincing theories of those claims...

Things I'm learning in this thread are:

1: People don't like questions.

2: They have little to no need for empirical evidence to support their real world beliefs.

3: If they have such evidence, they wont share it.

I guess I should report back to God...

Oh dear lol

-Shakes head in utter dismay-

posted September 20, 2012 01:18 PM            

Vol. 1, Page 133 THE GOD OF MAN AND THE GOD OF THE ANT.
They are Entities of the higher worlds in the hierarchy of Being, so immeasurably high that, to us, they must appear as Gods, and collectively — God. But so we, mortal men, must appear to the ant, which reasons on the scale of its special capacities. The ant may also, for all we know, see the avenging finger of a personal God in the hand of the urchin who, in one moment, under the impulse of mischief, destroys its anthill, the labour of many weeks — long years in the chronology of insects. The ant, feeling it acutely, and attributing the undeserved calamity to a combination of Providence and sin, may also, like man, see in it the result of the sin of its first parent. Who knows and who can affirm or deny? The refusal to admit in the whole Solar system of any other reasonable and intellectual beings on the human plane, than ourselves, is the greatest conceit of our age. All that science has a right to affirm, is that there are no invisible Intelligences living under the same conditions as we do. It cannot deny point-blank the possibility of there being worlds within worlds, under totally different conditions to those that constitute the nature of our world; nor can it deny that there may be a certain limited communication* between some of those worlds and our own. To the highest, we are taught, belong the seven orders of the purely divine Spirits; to the six lower ones belong hierarchies that can occasionally be seen and heard by men, and who do communicate with their progeny of the Earth; which progeny is indissolubly linked with them, each principle in man having its direct source in the nature of those great Beings, who furnish us with the respective invisible elements in us. Physical Science is welcome to speculate upon the physiological mechanism of living beings, and to continue her fruitless efforts in trying to resolve our feelings, our sensations, mental and spiritual, into functions of their inorganic vehicles. Nevertheless, all that will ever be accomplished in this direction has already been done, and Science will go no farther.

*the greatest philosopher of European birth, Immanuel Kant, assures us that such a communication is in no way improbable (that is communication with unseen worlds) "I confess I am much disposed to assert the existence of immaterial natures in the world, and to place my own soul in the class of these beings. It will hereafter, I knot not where, or when , yet to be proved that the human soul stands even in this life in indissoluble connection with all immaterial natures in the spirit-world, that it reciprocally acts upon these and receives impressions from them"

posted September 20, 2012 01:55 PM            

Vol. 1, Page 150 THE SECRET DOCTRINE.
If no physical intellect is capable of counting the grains of sand covering a few miles of sea-shore; or to fathom the ultimate nature and essence of those grains, palpable and visible on the palm of the naturalist, how can any materialist limit the laws changing the conditions and being of the atoms in primordial chaos, or know anything certain about the capabilities and potency of their atoms and molecules before and after their formation into worlds? These changeless and eternal molecules — far thicker in space than the grains on the ocean shore — may differ in their constitution along the line of their planes of existence, as the soul-substance differs from its vehicle, the body. Each atom has seven planes of being or existence, we are taught; and each plane is governed by its specific laws of evolution and absorption. Ignorant of any, even approximate, chronological data from which to start in attempting to decide the age of our planet or the origin of the solar system, astronomers, geologists, and physicists are drifting with each new hypothesis farther and farther away from the shores of fact into the fathomless depths of speculative ontology.* The Law of Analogy in the plan of structure between the trans-Solar systems and the intra-Solar planets, does not necessarily bear upon the finite conditions to which every visible body is subject, in this our plane of being. In Occult Science this law is the first and most important key to Cosmic physics; but it has to be studied in its minutest details and, “to be turned seven times,” before one comes to understand it. Occult philosophy is the only science that can teach it. How, then, can anyone hang the truth or the untruth of the Occultist’s proposition that “the Kosmos is eternal in its unconditioned collectivity, and finite but in its conditioned manifestations” on this one-sided physical enunciation that “it is a necessity of Nature to run down?”

“. . . . Were psychic and spiritual teachings more fully understood, it would become next to impossible to even imagine such an incongruity. Unless less trouble is taken to reconcile the irreconcileable — that is to say, the metaphysical and spiritual sciences with physical or natural philosophy, ‘natural’ being a synonym to them (men of science) of that matter which falls under the perception of their corporeal senses — no progress can be really achieved. Our Globe, as taught from the first, is at the bottom of the arc of descent, where the matter of our perceptions exhibits itself in its grossest form. . . . . . . Hence it only stands to reason that the globes which overshadow our Earth must be on different and superior planes. In short, as Globes, they are in co-adunition but not in consubstantiality with our earth and thus pertain to quite another state of consciousness. Our planet (like all those we see) is adapted to the peculiar state of its human stock, that state which enables us to see with our naked eye the sidereal bodies which are co-essential with our terrene plane and substance, just as their respective inhabitants, the Jovians, Martians and others can perceive our little world: because our planes of consciousness, differing as they do in degree but being the same in kind, are on the same layer of differentiated matter. . . . . What I wrote was ‘The minor Pralaya concerns only our little strings of globes.’ (We called chains ‘Strings’ in those days of lip-confusion.) . . . ‘To such a string our Earth belongs.’ This ought to have shown plainly that the other planets were also ‘strings’ or CHAINS. . . If he (meaning the objector) would perceive even the dim silhouette of one of such ‘planets’ on the higher planes, he has to first throw off even the thin clouds of the astral matter that stands between him and the next plane. . . . .”

It becomes patent why we could not perceive, even with the help of the best earthly telescopes, that which is outside our world of matter. Those alone, whom we call adepts, who know how to direct their mental vision and to transfer their consciousness — physical and psychic both — to other planes of being, are able to speak with authority on such subjects. And they tell us plainly: —

“Lead the life necessary for the acquisition of such knowledge and powers, and Wisdom will come to you naturally. Whenever your are able to attune your consciousness to any of the seven chords of ‘Universal Consciousness,’ those chords that run along the sounding-board of Kosmos, vibrating from one Eternity to another; when you have studied thoroughly ‘the music of the Spheres,’ then only will you become quite free to share your knowledge with those with whom it is safe to do so. Meanwhile, be prudent. Do not give out the great Truths that are the inheritance of the future Races, to our present generation. Do not attempt to unveil the secret of being and non-being to those unable to see the hidden meaning of Apollo’s heptachord — the lyre of the radiant god, in each of the seven strings of which dwelleth the Spirit, Soul and Astral body of the Kosmos, whose shell only has now fallen into the hands of Modern Science. . . . . . Be prudent, we say, prudent and wise, and above all take care what those who learn from you believe in; lest by deceiving themselves they deceive others . . . . for such is the fate of every truth with which men are, as yet, unfamiliar. . . . . Let rather the planetary chains and other super- and sub-cosmic mysteries remain a dreamland for those who can neither see, nor yet believe that others can. . . .”

posted September 20, 2012 02:56 PM            

@Juni: None of my Christ consciousness references had anything to do with what you may feel about such, I'm always willing to examine each view point on it own merits, and if I was condescending to you I always expect you to call me out on that! As you know, I always throw my hands up and go... you know what, you got me!

posted September 20, 2012 03:16 PM            

Insulting was perhaps on my part, a harsh comparison, and I'm willing to let it slide.

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posted September 20, 2012 04:21 PM            

Just quoting something from your own thread...

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The text on either side is cut off, so of course we can’t be sure exactly who Jesus is referring to. And of course, it was written centuries after Jesus lived, it is apparently a copy written in a language other than the original Greek, it was brought forth by an anonymous party, who acquired it how??.... So, alas, the eternal mystery is not yet solved. Was Jesus indeed married? If so, to whom? It is thought that the original dealer simply chopped up the original document, in order to get more money from selling off the fragments to collectors.

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Dr. King did not have the ink dated using carbon testing. She said it would require scraping off too much, destroying the relic. She still plans to have the ink tested by spectroscopy, which could roughly determine its age by its chemical composition

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She repeatedly cautioned that this fragment should not be taken as proof that Jesus, the historical person, was actually married. The text was probably written centuries after Jesus lived.

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I cannot vouch for, or refute your various astrological assertions, other than to say... well first prove astrology means the slightest damn thing. But that's simply something for me to decide myself. Currently its in my maybe pile, but not even close to using such to prove if someone or something existed over 2000 years ago.

The scrap could just as easily have been a Hellenized novel someone wrote century's later and just felt like propagating the already forming Mythos. Its really a no-mans land case for the moment...

Its an interesting snippet sure, proves diddly squat in my view lol