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Ami Anne
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posted March 24, 2013 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How Did the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict Start?
By amiann

Prior to WW Two, the land which is now Israel and Jordan was owned by England. There were both Arabs and Jews there, but it was mainly a nomadic wasteland. After the Holocaust ( and Chaim Weitzman giving England an invaluable scientific discovery) England gave a slice to land to the “people’s there. There were two pieces and the Arabs chose the biggest one first. The Jews took the other, smaller one. That is the beginning of Israel as a state. One slice of land was called Israel. The other was called JORDAN. Immediately, Israel’s neighbors attacked her, but that is not germane to this article.

Arabs, the sons of Ishmael, can not get along with each other. Genesis says that the sons of Ishmael will be like wild donkeys, every man against his brother. Look around. This needs little comment, except for the fact of what is coming next with the “invention” of the Palestinian people. The Arabs in Jordan started fighting with each other. Some Arabs from Jordan kicked out others. The kicked out Arabs are were Palestinians. Their homeland is Jordan.

In the meantime, the Jews made Israel blossom as a rose. The Bible says that Israel will only blossom in the hands of the Jews. That has been the case. You can see if you look around. Israel supplies the Middle East with fresh produce. Israel is second only to Holland in fresh flower production.

At any rate, there is a deep animosity between the Arabs and Jews from the days of Isaac and Ishmael. This would take too long to explain here, other than to say the the animosity had it’s roots in Ishmael’s birth.

However, to go back to the founding of Israel and Jordan, I described how the Arab state of Jordan and the Jewish state of Israel came to be.

The Palestinians were kicked out of Jordan and used by the Arab states to besmirch Israel.The events of Bible Prophecy cannot be stopped. There are terrible times coming. Each man will be called upon to make a choice on where he stands in this ancient conflict. Each nation will have to take a stand. All Bible Prophecy comes down to Israel, the apple of God’s eye. All of history will converge in the last battle of Armeggedon. I saw that huge valley when I was in Israel. All nations will turn against Israel BUT every individual has a choice. Choose well.

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posted March 24, 2013 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Genesis 16:12

New International Version
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

International Standard Version
He'll be a wild donkey of a man. He'll be against everyone, and everyone will be against him. He will live in conflict with all of his relatives."


Young's Literal Translation
and he is a wild-ass man, his hand against every one, and every one's hand against him -- and before the face of all his brethren he dwelleth.'

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You appear to think that using the jewish bible as history reference justifies you in slandering of the semitic race - apart from the jewosh ones. Those are your cousins...and human beings as diverse as any large group of people.

But your version of history is challenged by other, less partial historians. There were arabs there for centiries before yhe British took it over, and though many were nomads and therefore did not cultivate farms, thete were also lush, fertile and cultivated areas, whose produce was depended on by the colonial "masters", french and english among them.

How would you - hypothetically - react if the govt decided it was time to give half the usa back to the first nations? D'you think there might be a few americans who felt justified in fighting to keep/regain their homes?

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posted March 25, 2013 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But you conveniently leave out all reference in the bible to god's encouragement to his chosen people to rape pillage and murder with abandon...why is that?

Muslims - arabs and moors - spread learning throughout the civilized world in the "dark ages" of christians, they tolerated jews and christians as long as they lived peacefully, and it was only the chrostian inquisition and christian war machines of the crusades that sent them packing.

Under christian rule jews mostly had to pretend they were xhristian to survive. How is that preferable to the muslim way in the past?

Muslims come in at least 31 flavours, and to judge them all by the fundies is like saying all semites are jews, or any other group caricature you want to name.

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posted March 25, 2013 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 25, 2013 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 25, 2013 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you ask a question then dictate the answer?

Title of the thread should have been: "A Lesson on How the Isreal-Palestine Conflict started."

In truth, you have no interest in points of view that differ from yours.

Stop pretending, eh?

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posted March 25, 2013 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
katatonic, well said

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posted March 25, 2013 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't claim to be an expert on the bible but i have studied it. I have also studied other versions of history and though i started out with many romantic misconceptions i kept my mind open and corrected the mythical errors as i went along. I was truly sad when i learned, for instance, that the crusades were not as "holy" as the leaders liked to say/believe...

Same goes for most conflicts, and the current israeli stance of victims justified in being aggressors, well it sounds eerily like the rhetoric of the third reich

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Or, if you like, similar to the old ruse practiced in mexico against "rich" gringo tourists...a boy on a bike would plow into their car and hit the ground screaming victim. The american, at risk of jailtime if not properly insured in mexican terms, would shell out to the (un)injured cyclist on order to prevent incarceration...this agressive victim stance seems to work over and over again; it has even been used by the US govt as an excuse to invade, for instance, iraq.

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posted March 25, 2013 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi lexx!

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posted March 25, 2013 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Why do you [b]ask a question then dictate the answer?

Title of the thread should have been: "A Lesson on How the Isreal-Palestine Conflict started."

In truth, you have no interest in points of view that differ from yours.

Stop pretending, eh?[/B]


I TOLD you how it started from HISTORY. What can you add to that, factually?

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posted March 25, 2013 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have any FACTS to back yourself up, Faith, be my guest.

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I and others have offered you other facts till blue in the face, ami. When you take the plugs out of your ears and eyes maybe someone will discuss with you...i am done trying, myself. That doesn't mean i won't iffer up alternatives, but until you get off your self-righteous mule thereis just no possibility of real conversation, is there?

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posted March 25, 2013 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
I and others have offered you other facts till blue in the face, ami. When you take the plugs out of your ears and eyes maybe someone will discuss with you...i am done trying, myself. That doesn't mean i won't iffer up alternatives, but until you get off your self-righteous mule thereis just no possibility of real conversation, is there?


HOW was Israel and JORDAN founded? Do you know? Do you know from WHERE the "Palestinian" people came? I have answered them in the article. Do you have another answer?

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posted March 25, 2013 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Lets take all the emotion out of it and just talk facts. Any takers

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posted March 25, 2013 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If you have any FACTS to back yourself up, Faith, be my guest.


You don't recognize facts when they challenge your world view. Just earlier today, you outright slandered me for presenting such facts. So...no thank you, I decline to play that game with you a second time.

Again I offer my suggestion that you stop pretending that you are willing to listen.

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Originally posted by Faith:
You don't recognize facts when they challenge your world view. Just earlier today, you outright slandered me for presenting such facts. So...no thank you, I decline to play that game with you a second time.

Again I offer my suggestion that you stop pretending that you are willing to listen.



FACT--How did Israel and Jordan come to be? I am waiting for the HISTORICAL answer. Do you have it, Faith

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posted March 25, 2013 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a rather easy question with a rather easy HISTORICAL answer? What might the problem be for you, Faith?

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Part of the problem is that you are grinning like a Cheshire cat when I am bringing your attention to the fact that you take low blows in debate. As far as I'm concerned, you owe me and Juni an apology, and anyone else who you've wrongly accused of anti-semitism.

FYI, anyone can find facts about the establishment of modern day Israel on the internet. So please be aware that you sound very silly when you challenge people to "find facts."

When Truman decided to recognize the modern state of Israel, many in his cabinet were vehemently against the decision, foreseeing nothing but overwhelming trouble in the decades to come, based on Truman's decision. These men were prescient.

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The position of those opposing recognition was simple -- oil, numbers and history. "There are thirty million Arabs on one side and about 600,000 Jews on the other," Defense Secretary Forrestal told Clifford. "Why don't you face up to the realities?"

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Faith
Lets keep the emotion out of it. Shall we, Faith?


Lets start again--When and How was Israel and Jordan formed?

Number Two--From Where Do the "Palestinian" People come?


Please answer these, Faith? If you can answer all my questions, I will see about that apology. K?

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What do emotions have to do with anything?

You should apologize out of decency.

Since I do not look at the Bible the same way you do, there is no point to us discussing origins. As I see it, ancient history was not reliably recorded, therefore we shouldn't pretend to know more than is ascertainable.

But if you are talking about the roots of the modern situation, which is yet another epic battle in a war spanning thousands of years, then I would trace that back to the US's recognition of Israel in 1948. That is the origin of much of the trouble we have today.

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As Secretary of State, Marshall strongly opposed recognizing the state of Israel. Marshall felt that if the state of Israel was declared that a war would break out in the Middle East (which it did in 1948 one day after Israel declared independence). Marshall saw recognizing the Jewish state as a political move to gain Jewish support in the upcoming election, in which Truman was expected to lose to Dewey. He told President Truman in May 1948, "If you (recognize the state of Israel) and if I were to vote in the election, I would vote against you."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Marshall

The modern state of Israel is co-dependent on the US and relies on people like you to support the myth of their entitlement to exist and thrive amidst their enemies, no matter what the cost to outsiders (being, amongst other groups, US taxpayers.)

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posted March 25, 2013 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not the Bible. This is HISTORY.

Question One:

How were Israel and Jordan formed?

Question Two:

From Where Did the "Palestinian" People come?


What is so hard about that, Faith?

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I will await your answers, Faith. Ah, I have a hint Google-- History of the Founding of Israel and Jordan

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