posted March 30, 2013 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
In the end a thread is open to all public opinions and each side could express them as they wish.

I personally do not believe in the bible but i am sure its writings are open to interpretation especially with the highly simbolic language that it contains.

Even in school we were taught different views and interpretations of the writing.

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posted March 30, 2013 09:12 PM            

I will try to explain to you why talking to Padre about the Bible is a discussion which is an exercise in futility, to me and in my opinion.

The Bible is a very structured book and when one follows it, as it is written, it is very clear and logical. However, if someone throws away the basic structure as Padre says he does not follow Dispensations then that person can make the Bible say anything he wants.

The Bible is as structured as Astrology is. If someone wanted to talk to you about Astrology but told you that Saturn and Jupiter would have reverse meanings and the houses were backwards, not forwards, you would have to walk away as it would be an Alice in Wonderland experience.

Padre can believe what he wants obviously but it is not the Bible as Bible scholars I have studied for 20 years see it. Hence, it is a waste of time and energy, for me, with no disrespect meant to him as a person, but a discussion of this nature is not worth the effort, for me.

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posted March 31, 2013 01:29 AM            

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I will try to explain to you why talking to Padre about the Bible is a discussion which is an exercise in futility, to me and in my opinion.

The Bible is a very structured book and when one follows it, as it is written, it is very clear and logical. However, if someone throws away the basic structure as Padre says he does not follow Dispensations then that person can make the Bible say anything he wants.

The Bible is as structured as Astrology is. If someone wanted to talk to you about Astrology but told you that Saturn and Jupiter would have reverse meanings and the houses were backwards, not forwards, you would have to walk away as it would be an Alice in Wonderland experience.

Padre can believe what he wants obviously but it is not the Bible as Bible scholars I have studied for 20 years see it. Hence, it is a waste of time and energy, for me, with no disrespect meant to him as a person, but a discussion of this nature is not worth the effort, for me.

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Since i really dont see how discussing different views is wrong since there have yet to be any definite answers on the subject.

Also, youl be surprised how astrology is a subject that breaks into many different streams of interpretation, from the western/vedic sign system to the different house systems all of which can have different meaning (good/bad planets, different rulers, the meaning of houses)

posted March 31, 2013 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
In the end a thread is open to all public opinions and each side could express them as they wish.

I personally do not believe in the bible but i am sure its writings are open to interpretation especially with the highly simbolic language that it contains.

Even in school we were taught different views and interpretations of the writing.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
I have studied many different versions of the "bible";
there are many versions.
I have studied these for some 43 years to date, in depth;
along with studying many other religions both modern and ancient.
It is a futile endeavour to try to discuss the "bible" with anyone who takes it all as the divine word of their lunatic faux god, and deny vehemently the vileness betwixt the pages of their so called good book. http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm

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See, these are exactly the subjects that should come up and be discussed about to show the different views on the subject.

posted March 31, 2013 07:33 AM            

It is not "wrong". It is an exercise in futility. It would be like my saying I am going to do your chart but the Sun means the Moon. The Moon means Venus. I only count 4 houses and the ASC means the DSC. Now, tell me what my Moon means? It is Alice in Wonderland talk and hence futile.

I will do a thread explaining how the Bible must be parsed to understand it in a way that traditional Bible scholars do. If a person has a way out way of understanding it, it is like my trying to do your chart with the above conditions. It is a mess which ends up in nonsense i.e non sense, not to be mean but that is what happens.

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posted March 31, 2013 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

[b]Since i really dont see how discussing different views is wrong .

It is not "wrong". It is an exercise in futility. It would be like my saying I am going to do your chart but the Sun means the Moon. The Moon means Venus. I only count 4 houses and the ASC means the DSC. Now, tell me what my Moon means? It is Alice in Wonderland talk and hence futile.

I will do a thread explaining how the Bible must be parsed to understand it in a way that traditional Bible scholars do. If a person has a way out way of understanding it, it is like my trying to do your chart with the above conditions. It is a mess which ends up in nonsense i.e non sense, not to be mean but that is what happens.

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Is there a definite system? No

Is there a way of knowing what the writers of the bible truly meant? No

Thats why there are scholars who read and give their own interpretations of it.

The only question here is "what interpretation is the correct one if theoretically this book has any actual meaning?"

Fkr this you need to have an answer with proof or else your words will be as air to those who read....well...for those who are actually using their minds...

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posted March 31, 2013 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There is ONE way to know if the Bible is true. It is simple. Can the Bible tell the future? If it can't, throw it away. If it can, get down on your knees and embrace it!

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posted March 31, 2013 09:26 AM            

ONE-Damascus Syria will become rubble

There are hundreds and hundreds of Prophecies. That is a simple one in that some are more complicated to discern but can be done with study. This WILL happen. Who has predicted it? Me, a Bible student.

I will tell you others at a later time, if you want.

Prophecy is God's hand print on the Bible. It is that simple.

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posted March 31, 2013 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There is ONE way to know if the Bible is true. It is simple. Can the Bible tell the future? If it can't, throw it away. If it can, get down on your knees and embrace it!

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posted March 31, 2013 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Because I am the ONLY one on here who can tell the future.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
From my study of such authors as Hal Lindsey and Grant Jeffries,I think we have one more year until the Rapture.

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
The error is this thread Ami...there was no rapture hon.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

It is in the future ORBM. Anyhoo
Love you

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posted March 31, 2013 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Because I am the ONLY one on here who can tell the future.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
What a big flaming pompous ego you have Ami.
Over a 100,000 members here at LL;
and you say that you are the only one here who can predict the future?
Just like your rapture predictions etc.?

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
From my study of such authors as Hal Lindsey and Grant Jeffries,I think we have one more year until the Rapture.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
That was posted by you on April 02, 2011 02:36 PM.
A year later and no rapture.
Going on 2 years now.
On August 27, 2012 10:35 PM oneruledbymars
posted and you replied.

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
The error is this thread Ami...there was no rapture hon.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

It is in the future ORBM. Anyhoo
Love you

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:

I have seen you make other statements as to end times/rapture yadda yadda yadda;
happening in December 2012 and other dates.

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posted March 31, 2013 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:

Its beyond me to understand why a religion would even want to create such useless and terror invoking prophecies...

Imo this "worlds end" will not be brought by no higher being.... just by simple little us....

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posted March 31, 2013 11:31 AM            

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posted March 31, 2013 11:44 AM            

Blessings

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posted March 31, 2013 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok- Someone else predict the future-- [b]SPECIFIC place, city and geography.

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There will be a car crash in texas who will kill a biker and a family of 4 at june 15, 2014

posted March 31, 2013 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:

Its beyond me to understand why a religion would even want to create such useless and terror invoking prophecies...

Imo this "worlds end" will not be brought by no higher being.... just by simple little us....

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
All things in the universe change and end and recycle.
We are made from stars that no longer exist.
This world will end one day;
by our hands or by natural disasters or when the sun dies.
In terms of life on this planet;
many species were here longer much longer than we relatively "NEW" creatures.
Yet those living creatures went extinct.
It really is creepy how religion, especially
bible based;
brain wash people into wanting the destruction of the world and preach eternal damnation for most humans.
What a nasty thing to yearn for.

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When saying many species are you meaning dinosaurs or more spiritual beings?

posted March 31, 2013 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
There will be a car crash in texas who will kill a biker and a family of 4 at june 15, 2014

Now try and disprove my prophecy

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I only entertain serious situations

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posted March 31, 2013 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I only entertain serious situations

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Then first show me you can be treated such.

posted March 31, 2013 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok- Someone else predict the future-- SPECIFIC place, city and geography.

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WHAT future do you want predicted?
Yours?
Do you honestly want to know?
It would unlikely bring you comfort and peace.
"If" I knew things like in the movie:
"Knowing";
no way would I tell the world.
Let people go in innocence their last days,
instead of being terrified of the impending unavoidable doom.

KNOWING

Instead you spread terror tales and hope to get naive scared folks to become rabid Christians who will go forth and spread the terror and horror to others.

posted March 31, 2013 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
When saying many species are you meaning dinosaurs or more spiritual beings?

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Originally posted by doommlord:

And I think bible religions are the by-product of power hungry people trying to rule uneducated masses...but that's my opinion and anyone can disagree with me.

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PS.
Interestingly;
the bibles say "replenish the earth;
indicating that there was once something here but it needed replenishing.
replenish
reˇplenˇish
/riˈpleniSH/
Verb

1.
Fill (something) up again.
2.
Restore (a stock or supply of something) to the former level or condition.

posted March 31, 2013 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
When saying many species are you meaning dinosaurs or more spiritual beings?

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Both and more;
but not going to get into the scientific facts nor my theories at the moment.
One being some saurians and other lifeforms before and after them;
were sapient/spiritual.
Judge not the non human beings/animals of pre history.
There could well have been sapient beings.
Being human/humanoid,
is not a requirement for sapient thinking nor needed for a being to be spiritual.

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Originally posted by doommlord:

And I think bible religions are the by-product of power hungry people trying to rule uneducated masses...but that's my opinion and anyone can disagree with me.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
I agree.

PS.
Interestingly;
the bibles say "replenish the earth;
indicating that there was once something here but it needed replenishing.
replenish
reˇplenˇish
/riˈpleniSH/
Verb

1.
Fill (something) up again.
2.
Restore (a stock or supply of something) to the former level or condition.

Synonyms
refill - fill
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From Genesis One:
>>>Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the earth,<<<

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Well I would be delighted to hear about that one day

posted March 31, 2013 03:17 PM            

Now, will also say when the litany of the gifts of spirit is read, Faith is gift. To some it is sent in abundance to others a spirit of leanness pervades their souls.

Fine with me, as Paul said "..I judge them not, nor do I even judge myself.."

posted March 31, 2013 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Then first show me you can be treated such.

Instead of empty preaching EXPLAIN why there is only one way of reading the bible...especially since people were required to give interpretations to its words since the language was so old (look into old testament)

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Ok I know you are asking a serious question unlike the ranting diatribes of some
Hence, I will try to answer it. I could tell you many ways the Bible is unique. I could spend hours doing it but you would prolly have some explanation to refute me. However, if I can tell you exact future events, you would have nothing to say( unless you are hopelessly against facing reality)

That is why prophecy is what tells the unbeliever that the Bible is true.

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posted March 31, 2013 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok I know you are asking a serious question unlike the ranting diatribes of some
Hence, I will try to answer it. I could tell you many ways the Bible is unique. I could spend hours doing it but you would prolly have some explanation to refute me. However, if I can tell you exact future events, you would have nothing to say( unless you are hopelessly against facing reality)

That is why prophecy is what tells the unbeliever that the Bible is true.

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