posted March 31, 2013 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

The Bible very much res ipsa luqutuir, I find intellectual weak to simply dismiss the message with a painting of it with a religion brush.

Now, will also say when the litany of the gifts of spirit is read, Faith is gift. To some it is sent in abundance to others a spirit of leanness pervades their souls.

Fine with me, as Paul said "..I judge them not, nor do I even judge myself.."

Happy Easter everyone, He is Risen indeed.

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"A spirit of leanness pervades their souls"

posted March 31, 2013 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

The Bible very much res ipsa luqutuir, I find intellectual weak to simply dismiss the message with a painting of it with a religion brush.

Now, will also say when the litany of the gifts of spirit is read, Faith is gift. To some it is sent in abundance to others a spirit of leanness pervades their souls.

Fine with me, as Paul said "..I judge them not, nor do I even judge myself.."

Happy Easter everyone, He is Risen indeed.

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Originally posted by doommlord:
"A spirit of leanness pervades their souls"

Were you referring to me?

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As to Paul;
well he was a hypocrite who switched sides after he murdered non Jews.
He judged others before and after he got a new schick.

As to Easter;
many do not believe the cucifiction/crucifixion mythos so it is a stock greeting now no more relevant to most than Happy Easter Bunny, or whatever.

posted March 31, 2013 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok I know you are asking a serious question unlike the ranting diatribes of some
Hence, I will try to answer it. I could tell you many ways the Bible is unique. I could spend hours doing it but you would prolly have some explanation to refute me. However, if I can tell you exact future events, you would have nothing to say( unless you are hopelessly against facing reality)

That is why prophecy is what tells the unbeliever that the Bible is true.

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Originally posted by doommlord:

Then again just telling someone that something would happen in the future does not guarantee it will happen (ahem ahem 2012)

So why is the very existence of a prophecy a proof to it being true?

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Because the Bible is the one and only Book every written that can tell the future with specific details. That is one imprint of the Divine. There are many other but for an unbeliever such as you, this would be the first step.

posted March 31, 2013 03:38 PM            

He is prolly referring to me

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posted March 31, 2013 03:38 PM            

Prophecy is what it is, BUT, when the Bible is rejected even as a source of legitimate advice I point to Proverbs:

"Invest your money in foreign trade and one day you will make a profit"

Indeed, what practical advice.

posted March 31, 2013 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]"A spirit of leanness pervades their souls"

He is prolly referring to me

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Not at all

posted March 31, 2013 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

The Bible very much res ipsa luqutuir, I find intellectual weak to simply dismiss the message with a painting of it with a religion brush.

Now, will also say when the litany of the gifts of spirit is read, Faith is gift. To some it is sent in abundance to others a spirit of leanness pervades their souls.

Fine with me, as Paul said "..I judge them not, nor do I even judge myself.."

Happy Easter everyone, He is Risen indeed.

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Originally posted by doommlord:
"A spirit of leanness pervades their souls"

Were you referring to me?

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
I was wondering the same;
that anyone who is not Christian is seen by Christians as spiritually weak.

As to Paul;
well he was a hypocrite who switched sides after he murdered non Jews.
He judged others before and after he got a new schick.

As to Easter;
many do not believe the cucifiction/crucifixion mythos so it is a stock greeting now no more relevant to most than Happy Easter Bunny, or whatever.

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OR-Paul realized his grave error and atoned for his transgressions.

Hippocracy actually is based on Greek stage characters, they were a mask that marked them as the hipocrite.

posted March 31, 2013 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Well I would be delighted to hear about that one day

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Originally posted by doommlord:

And I hope there is something left to replenish upon the earth after the hunger of humanity...

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posted March 31, 2013 03:54 PM            

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posted March 31, 2013 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Not at all DL, this is why I also mentioned the Pauline quote.

Prophecy is what it is, BUT, when the Bible is rejected even as a source of legitimate advice I point to Proverbs:

"Invest your money in foreign trade and one day you will make a profit"

Indeed, what practical advice.

Where I diverge from AA is I much more of a devotee of praticality and pragmatism, for me this is one of the pillars of Faith in Christ.

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The bible does deserve credit for the effect it has on society in past and present, at a level that might even balance the foolishness of its followers across history.

I respect the bible for being a source of meaning and guidance for people even if such might be considered false in comparison to some "cosmic truth" (of which i have no awareness as of yet).

But i myself am unable to see the book as holy and the religion as one i would follow, to me its just a book of pretty stories to which others turn to for education or inspiration.

posted March 31, 2013 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Proverbs is good advice but if people do not have Jesus, they are going to Hell. It may sound bad to say it, but it is worse to go there

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posted March 31, 2013 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
OR-Paul realized his grave error and atoned for his transgressions.

Hippocracy actually is based on Greek stage characters, they were a mask that marked them as the hipocrite.

When rocks were bouncing off of his forehead he was not exactly enjoying life.

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hypocrite (n.)
c.1200, ypocrite, from Old French ypocrite (12c., Modern French hypocrite), from Church Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokrites "stage actor, pretender, dissembler," from hypokrinesthai

hypocrisy (n.)
c.1200, ipocrisie, from Old French ypocrisie, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis "acting on the stage, pretense," from hypokrinesthai "play a part, pretend," also "answer," from hypo- "under" (see sub-) + middle voice of krinein "to sift, decide" (see crisis). The sense evolution in Attic Greek is from "separate gradually" to "answer" to "answer a fellow actor on stage" to "play a part." The h- was restored in English 16c.

"Hypocrisy is the art of affecting qualities for the purpose of pretending to an undeserved virtue. Because individuals and institutions and societies most often live down to the suspicions about them, hypocrisy and its accompanying equivocations underpin the conduct of life. Imagine how frightful truth unvarnished would be.
`[Benjamin F. Martin, "France in 1938," 2005]

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Heh, of course I knew what it meant Lexxi, I don't, or rarely, just make stuff up.

As for Paul, he did, we talk.
'nuff said.

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Originally posted by Padre35:
"As for Paul, he did, we talk.
'nuff said."

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posted March 31, 2013 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Imagine how frightful truth unvarnished would be.
`[Benjamin F. Martin, "France in 1938," 2005]

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posted March 31, 2013 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Proverbs is good advice but if people do not have Jesus, they are going to Hell. It may sound bad to say it, but it is worse to go there

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So you just keep gleefully damning most of humanity and display your total lack of love and compassion for everyone.
Your true colors are not pretty ma'am.

posted March 31, 2013 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
The bible does deserve credit for the effect it has on society in past and present, at a level that might even balance the foolishness of its followers across history.

I respect the bible for being a source of meaning and guidance for people even if such might be considered false in comparison to some "cosmic truth" (of which i have no awareness as of yet).

But I myself am unable to see the book as holy and the religion as one I would follow, to me its just a book of pretty stories to which others turn to for education or inspiration.

Sorry about any grammar mistakes its kinda late here

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posted March 31, 2013 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
A mad mad world......funny thing that in the end its the same here only covered with lies...and the world keeps on turning.

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Exactly, people prefer a beautiful lie to the ugly truth.

Reality is, this world is a mean and ugly place that will knock you down and keep you down as long as you allow it.

What Christ offered is a different path, though I do diverge at sheep among wolves as they only make for good suppers.

I prefer "wise as serpents but gentle as doves"

posted March 31, 2013 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
A mad mad world......funny thing that in the end its the same here only covered with lies...and the world keeps on turning.

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posted March 31, 2013 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
The bible does deserve credit for the effect it has on society in past and present, at a level that might even balance the foolishness of its followers across history.

I respect the bible for being a source of meaning and guidance for people even if such might be considered false in comparison to some "cosmic truth" (of which i have no awareness as of yet).

But I myself am unable to see the book as holy and the religion as one I would follow, to me its just a book of pretty stories to which others turn to for education or inspiration.

Sorry about any grammar mistakes its kinda late here

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
I have been fixing any grammar or spelling errors as I find them.
I hope you do not mind.
I am tired too so not going to reply in full at the moment.

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posted March 31, 2013 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Its an empty threat to send people to a burning land which exact place is not found and is not bound by reason... unless of course hell used to be a word symbolising the sun....

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Actually that would make for a great discussion as most of the theology of "hell" as commonly thought is waaay offbase.

Just an example Peter mentioned Christ went into "hell" during his 3 days in the tomb and freed past saints, was he dancing along with flames?

Uhm, no, that would mean Isaiah etc were burning eternally up to that point.

posted March 31, 2013 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
A mad mad world......funny thing that in the end its the same here only covered with lies...and the world keeps on turning.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
So true.
Seems in the big picture, the planetary, and eternal/infinite it matters not what people believe or not.
Life endures, here and on uncounted other worlds no matter what the life forms believe.
LOL....other worlds which in Ami's beliefs their inhabitants are all going to go to
her Hell and burn for eternity.
That is so blatantly ridiculous I do not know if one should laugh or cry at the utter stupidity of such a concept.

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Then again how would other life form evolve if we live only around 5000 or more years even though the study of biology claims that we evolved for millions of years from the simpler apes.

posted March 31, 2013 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Actually that would make for a great discussion as most of the theology of "hell" as commonly thought is waaay offbase.

Just an example Peter mentioned Christ went into "hell" during his 3 days in the tomb and freed past saints, was he dancing along with flames?

Uhm, no, that would mean Isaiah etc were burning eternally up to that point.

When the plagues were sweeping through Europe the idea of "hell" came into being.

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posted March 31, 2013 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Exactly, people prefer a beautiful lie to the ugly truth.

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Reality is, this world is a mean and ugly place that will knock you down and keep you down as long as you allow it.

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Originally posted by Padre35:

What Christ offered is a different path, though I do diverge at sheep among wolves as they only make for good suppers.

I prefer "wise as serpents but gentle as doves"

But even a dove shall defend it's nest.

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posted March 31, 2013 04:43 PM            

I will start one though, probably this week, as imo one of the problems with what people think of as "Christianity" is just plain wrong.

I simply adore Biblical literalists who delightfully then ignore what the Bible literally speaks of in favor of some system of theology.

posted March 31, 2013 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Actually that would make for a great discussion as most of the theology of "hell" as commonly thought is waaay offbase.

Just an example Peter mentioned Christ went into "hell" during his 3 days in the tomb and freed past saints, was he dancing along with flames?

Uhm, no, that would mean Isaiah etc were burning eternally up to that point.

When the plagues were sweeping through Europe the idea of "hell" came into being.

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posted March 31, 2013 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Actually that would make for a great discussion as most of the theology of "hell" as commonly thought is waaay offbase.

Just an example Peter mentioned Christ went into "hell" during his 3 days in the tomb and freed past saints, was he dancing along with flames?

Uhm, no, that would mean Isaiah etc were burning eternally up to that point.

When the plagues were sweeping through Europe the idea of "hell" came into being.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Indeed, "Hell" is a relatively new concept.
So much that some Christians believe was not part of the original beliefs.
LOL...The Rapture being one of many tales added later on.
LOL....as to Paul's lies about Yeshua going to Hell, and dancing with saints (Christian saints were not invented yet)and all........
just more tales.

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Get it right, that was Peter, not Paul.