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Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2013 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been studying Bible Prophecy for 20 years. Two things troubled me with how they were going to happen. One was why and how were beheadings brought back as the main way of death in the end times. In the news, we can clearly see Muslims bringing back beheading.

The other was the poisoning of the earth such as bodies of drinking water polluted to a terrible extent. This may very well be Monsanto.

There is going to be terrible starvation, worse than ever seen. Monsanto is killing the bees who die from eating Monsanto crops. Some veggies cannot even grow without bees. I don't know how many are in this category but when a company like Monsanto messes with the ecosystem for pure greed, terrible things will happen. That is clear to anyone

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posted March 30, 2013 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Out of curiosity AA, what were Christ's last instructions to the Church concerning Jerusalem?

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posted March 30, 2013 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Out of curiosity AA, what were Christ's last instructions to the Church concerning Jerusalem?


I don't know off hand. You tell me.

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posted March 30, 2013 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Something about "..flee to the mountains.." as found in Mt 24 or so.

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posted March 30, 2013 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I take the Bible, literally, and you take it symbolically so we are not going to agree, on many things. That is cool. I just want to say that from the outset.

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posted March 30, 2013 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I take the Bible, literally, and you take it symbolically so we are not going to agree, on many things. That is cool. I just want to say that from the outset.


It's a mixture of both literal and symbolic, and my point is, the last words Christ spoke about Jerusalem were to flee from it and go to the mountains.

When did he ever say to return to it?

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posted March 30, 2013 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's a mixture of both literal and symbolic, and my point is, the last words Christ spoke about Jerusalem were to flee from it and go to the mountains.

When did he ever say to return to it?


Why don't you make your point? We see the Bible very differently, so why don't you make your point, as I can't grasp where you are going.

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posted March 30, 2013 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other thing too, is that the Bible has to be divided right for anyone to understand it right. There are 2 Dispensations. There are 2 groups of people. There are different ages. If someone takes something out of any of these contexts, it will be wrong. You have to know WHO he was talking to and to what age it was referring. If you want to tell me now, go for it

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posted March 30, 2013 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dispensationalism, but of course, you do realize it is not exactly in the Scriptures..right?

Anywho, Christ said, point blank, flee Jerusalem and predicted it's destruction.

Christ never said to return to it.

"Jerusalem is going to be torn down so that not one stone (you are seeing) will remain" and then "when you see this coming, flee to the mountains"

Which is a huge departure from how things usually worked with Jerusalem, gosh, do you think he was trying to tell believers something concerning Jerusalem?

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posted March 30, 2013 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That is so out there that I am not gonna respond. Lets agree to disagree.

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posted March 30, 2013 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Fair enough, not how about the Vineyard and the servants who "beat some, killed some others" and thought to kill the Son so they could posses the vineyard?

Mark 12:4-9 or so.

We are taking this literally..right?

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posted March 30, 2013 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I want to tell you why I write on DD. I do not write to the people who hate Christians. I do not write to the people who hate Israel and/or the Jews.

I write for a very specific reason and more importantly TO a very specific person(s)

I know they are out there as lurkers or LL members.

I do not call running horses zebras. I understand Dispensations. I understand who is talking to whom. The Bible is quite clear cut.

I don't wish to dance on the head of a pin with you Padre.

If you have your philosophy, that is cool but we are too different to really talk about the Bible.

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posted March 30, 2013 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And Benedictus! To you as well Sister!

All I'm trying to do is to make sure you have your outlook ironed out not based on what so and so wrote, but by discovering for yourself what those things actually mean.

The way I see it, if one cannot simply explain to me (and I am curious about it) then how will you explain to someone who really does doubt?

"As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens the countenance of the other"

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posted March 30, 2013 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess, furthermore, I represent the Born Again Christian/Messianic Jew who takes the Bible, as it is except for obvious symbolism.


People can come to me, if they want that Point of View. I am not sure where you are coming from, but it is not that, so we each offer something different. That is the point. We have very, very different points of view

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posted March 30, 2013 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am a Libra ASC. I hate to debate. I just do it for that person(s) I told you about, as I can feel he/she is there.

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posted March 30, 2013 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I guess, furthermore, I represent the Born Again Christian/Messianic Jew who takes the Bible, as it is except for obvious symbolism.


People can come to me, if they want that Point of View. I am not sure where you are coming from, but it is not that, so we each offer something different. That is the point. We have very, very different points of view


Maybe not as different as one may think, only I take a Meta view.

When I consider the scattering of the 10 tribes, and the region, and period of time between now and then, I wonder how many Hebaru's (Descendants of Israel) there are, potentially hundreds of millions, maybe billions, depending on a Patriarchal or Matriarchal accounting.

2,500 yrs of exponential growth would be a huge number of people today.

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posted March 30, 2013 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

BTW AA, the "answer" to the vineyard question, and the blood libel stuff is this:

The leadership of Israel, the priest hood, the teachers of the law etc, were the ones whom Christ was speaking of, the High Priest at that time was a Roman puppet and not a Aaronic Priest at all.

The stone as it were, fell on them, not the faithful Israelites whom had no say in what happened to Christ.

Christ was not speaking of them..at all.

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posted March 30, 2013 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I guess, furthermore, I represent the Born Again Christian/Messianic Jew who takes the Bible, as it is except for obvious symbolism.


People can come to me, if they want that Point of View. I am not sure where you are coming from, but it is not that, so we each offer something different. That is the point. We have very, very different points of view


Arent threads meant for discussions? Im sure that even if there are disagreements between the views the very fact you explain your side well will enlighten those who are interested

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posted March 30, 2013 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Padre is mixing up TONS of things to the point that I don't know where to begin. It would be like trying to teach all of Astrology to a newbie on one thread. It can't be done.

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posted March 30, 2013 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, Padre is mixing up TONS of things to the point that I don't know where to begin. It would be like trying to teach all of Astrology to a newbie on one thread. It can't be done.



Well you dont build rome with a single brick either.
Take your time and take each part and brake it down.

A small thread might turn into a well of information from which i think many could gain, but its up to you

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posted March 30, 2013 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, Padre is mixing up TONS of things to the point that I don't know where to begin. It would be like trying to teach all of Astrology to a newbie on one thread. It can't be done.



Then, explain.

Oh, I've spent a fair amount of time in the scriptures as well, perhaps, rather than not engaging one would care to expound upon where oh where poor lil Padre "has it all wrong"

Or is Luke incorrect in what he said?

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posted March 30, 2013 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not up for it, dear one.

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posted March 30, 2013 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am not up for it, dear one.


Oh gosh, that 13 yrs I bothered with studying daily is safe..now there is a relief.

Just keep in mind, when it comes to Scripture and saying what I've said, it does not come out of the air, it is not "mixed up" the Word says what it says.

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posted March 30, 2013 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If people want to talk about my opening post, I am game. I take the Bible at it's word. I divide time periods and I divide groups of people as the Bible says. I am not up for a whole different animal which makes no sense to my 20 years studying Bible Prophecy. That to me is a waste of time, not to be mean.


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posted March 30, 2013 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the end a thread is open to all public opinions and each side could express them as they wish.

I personally do not believe in the bible but i am sure its writings are open to interpretation especially with the highly simbolic language that it contains.

Even in school we were taught different views and interpretations of the writing.

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